Anybody know about these boats? I saw one this weekend tied up to a dock in
Marco:

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...rl&slim=broker





"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:30:47 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

For me, it's a toss up:

http://www.hatterasyachts.com/50about.cfm

http://www.vikingyachts.com/models/52c/52c_main.asp

http://www.bertram.com/models/510/

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Go with the Bertram. Their engineering and construction quality is
the best I've seen.

Bring money.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:30:47 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

http://www.vikingyachts.com/models/52c/52c_main.asp

IF I had the money, that Viking would be tempting.

I've ridden on one, drove it around, it's a sweet ride. Great to fish
off of too.

One other I'd consider is this:

http://www.caboyachts.com/yachts/52X...ssOverview.asp

I've been on one of these too - very sweet.

Cabos are nice...very well-built. But I've heard mixed opinions on how
well they ride.

I've never heard a negative about the Vikings.


Agree on the Cabos. I did a couple of tuna chasing days on a friend's 35'
Flybridge. Nicely finished boat, but rode hard, even in light to moderate
chop.

If you like Vikings, (as do I) you should also check out:

http://www.riviera.com.au/usa/index.htm

I've spent a little time on one (40' or so). Fit and finish a bit better
than Viking, IMO, and the ride was very impressive given the sloppy day we
went out. Nice boats.

Eisboch

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:03:29 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Anybody know about these boats? I saw one this weekend tied up to a dock in
Marco:

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...rl&slim=broker

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It might be a fine boat but for my money I'd want something with a
stronger (and longer) track record.

Bertram, Viking, Hatteras, Cabo...

There are lots of nice ones around for that kind of $$$s.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:30:47 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

http://www.vikingyachts.com/models/52c/52c_main.asp On Wed, 28 Dec
2005 22:14:51 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



If you like Vikings, (as do I) you should also check out:

http://www.riviera.com.au/usa/index.htm

I've spent a little time on one (40' or so). Fit and finish a bit better
than Viking, IMO, and the ride was very impressive given the sloppy day we
went out. Nice boats.

They have a kind of 50's Modern feel to their design don't they?

Nice looking boats.

Tasteful, not gaudy. I like a boat that looks like a boat.

One thing I learned about some of the sportsfish/sportsyacht boats produced
in recent years:

The hardcore fishing types have been demanding faster boats so they can get
off shore quickly to get in more fishing time. The response from the boat
manufacturers has been to build the boats lighter, modify the hulls for
speed and tweek small displacement diesels for more horsepower. The
downside of this is harder rides and engines that don't last as long between
rebuilds. This is the reason I got rid of the '02, 37' Egg Harbor I had for
a couple of years. It was nicely done, cruised at 30 knots, but beat the
bannanas out of you in anything over 3' footers unless you slowed down to 19
knots or so. I've been spoiled by the Navigator, I guess. Slower, but a
very comfortable ride, even in much higher sea states. Not a fishing boat,
for sure, but a very comfortable cruiser.

Eisboch

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Too much work.

I doubt I'll ever want any boat larger than a 30 or 32 footer.


Just stay away from teak and a 50 footer is little more work than a 30
footer.

Eisboch

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Too much work.

I doubt I'll ever want any boat larger than a 30 or 32 footer.

Harry,
Have you sold your 36' Lobster Boat?

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:43:44 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Just stay away from teak and a 50 footer is little more work than a 30
footer.

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That's true as far as it goes but overall maintenance is a lot higher
on larger boats. The price and complexity of just about everything
goes up about exponentially with length and weight.

Here's an example. I just spent $1400+ to get my props reconditioned,
balanced, repainted and reinstalled. On my old Bertram 33 I could
have had a brand new pair for substantially less than that.

It goes on. The Bert had one zone of heating and air conditioning to
maintain, the GB has 4. The Bert had one fridge to maintain, the GB
has 3 plus a deep freeze and ice maker. Refrigeration techs make
about the same as diesel mechanics and are harder to find.

Just put a new raw water pump on my port side engine, $900 with labor.
On the Bert, about $400.

The Bertram 33 used 3 gallons of oil per change + $15 for filters.
The GB uses 12 gallons and $60 for filters.

It begins to add up.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:43:44 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Just stay away from teak and a 50 footer is little more work than a 30
footer.

===================================

That's true as far as it goes but overall maintenance is a lot higher
on larger boats. The price and complexity of just about everything
goes up about exponentially with length and weight.

Here's an example. I just spent $1400+ to get my props reconditioned,
balanced, repainted and reinstalled. On my old Bertram 33 I could
have had a brand new pair for substantially less than that.

It goes on. The Bert had one zone of heating and air conditioning to
maintain, the GB has 4. The Bert had one fridge to maintain, the GB
has 3 plus a deep freeze and ice maker. Refrigeration techs make
about the same as diesel mechanics and are harder to find.

Just put a new raw water pump on my port side engine, $900 with labor.
On the Bert, about $400.

The Bertram 33 used 3 gallons of oil per change + $15 for filters.
The GB uses 12 gallons and $60 for filters.

It begins to add up.


I suppose. So far, other than buying a set of spare props, a few oil
changes and a new fresh water pump, I haven't had any equipment problems on
the Navigator. Oh, and the joystick controllers for the thrusters that I
haven't replaced yet. I've had the boat for five years now, so that isn't
too bad. Also have four A/C heat pump units, but only two refrigerators. All
are working fine.

1400+ bucks for prop reconditioning? Wow! I purchased two spares (30d x
30p, four bladed) for 800 bucks each.

I took Harry's post as meaning too much work in terms of cleaning and normal
maintenance, but I understand your point.

Eisboch

For some nice cruising to the Caribbean and the Mediterranean.

http://www.valiantsailboats.com/mac/mac50photo.htm



"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:14:51 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:30:47 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

http://www.vikingyachts.com/models/52c/52c_main.asp

IF I had the money, that Viking would be tempting.

I've ridden on one, drove it around, it's a sweet ride. Great to fish
off of too.

One other I'd consider is this:

http://www.caboyachts.com/yachts/52X...ssOverview.asp

I've been on one of these too - very sweet.

Cabos are nice...very well-built. But I've heard mixed opinions on how
well they ride.

I've never heard a negative about the Vikings.

Agree on the Cabos. I did a couple of tuna chasing days on a friend's 35'
Flybridge. Nicely finished boat, but rode hard, even in light to moderate
chop.

If you like Vikings, (as do I) you should also check out:

http://www.riviera.com.au/usa/index.htm

I've spent a little time on one (40' or so). Fit and finish a bit better
than Viking, IMO, and the ride was very impressive given the sloppy day we
went out. Nice boats.

They have a kind of 50's Modern feel to their design don't they?

Nice looking boats.

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:55:48 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

JimH wrote:

You just won the lottery and plan to purchase (new or used) a 50 some foot
boat. Money is no object.

First of all, what style would you choose.......cruiser, motor yacht, pilot
house, trawler, convertible, tug, catamaran, sailboat or other?

Now what specific make and model?



I think if price was no object I'd get a small all-weather freighter
and have it refitted for my personal use.
Mark E. Williams