Yes the endless "software" upgrades have begun it's exactly like the
Ficht debacle. Anyway don't say you haven't been warned this is aboating
NG & this is motors the NG users pay hugely for so ..............


# 7/24/05 8:08:00 PM Submitted by Bulletbuoy (69.14.99.177) from
MICHIGAN says Lol must be bad more like it
As of Friday at the Everstart they had on the Detroit River. The e-tech
had 3 blown power heads, one boat's motor caught on fire and blew the
cowling 30 feet in the error. Forcing the gentlemen aboard to abandon
ship. LOL E tech went over like a fat kid in dodgeball on erie.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:54:22 +1100, "K. Smith" wrote:


Yes the endless "software" upgrades have begun it's exactly like the
Ficht debacle. Anyway don't say you haven't been warned this is aboating
NG & this is motors the NG users pay hugely for so ..............


# 7/24/05 8:08:00 PM Submitted by Bulletbuoy (69.14.99.177) from
MICHIGAN says Lol must be bad more like it
As of Friday at the Everstart they had on the Detroit River. The e-tech
had 3 blown power heads, one boat's motor caught on fire and blew the
cowling 30 feet in the error. Forcing the gentlemen aboard to abandon
ship. LOL E tech went over like a fat kid in dodgeball on erie.


It was Merc Verados.

Nice try Karen.

Better than nice Tom, it's bloody beautiful!!!:-) the post is clear in
what it says, 3 (count 'em three!!) E-Tecs blow at the Everstart (& it
seems that was "as of Friday"), what are you saying now, the rest of the
boating community are just making this up??? I mean do you go to OMC
dealer classes to be able to post this BS??? Even as OMC went into
bankruptcy the dealers were still trying that line to make one last sale
to the gullible, give it up:-)

I'd guess if it wasn't so there would be at least
one other person from that tournament saying it wasn't so??

So it's me just making sure people are kept up to date with how the
latest Ficht experiment is coming along:-) Yes yes we all know they keep
reducing the prices & finding out what the real price is very difficult,
but hey that's what they did trying to flog the fichts, gave the dealers
a 30% markup in rebates etc, so I suppose that might explain why the
dealers will say & do most anything to hook another sucker:-)

Given the detonation vibration/abuse fuel leaks are back (remember the
coast guard ordered a ficht safety recall over them last time??) might I
seriously suggest you wear head protection when you use yours, after all
wouldn't want to see you knocked silly by a blown away cowling:-)

Fear not Tom, I'll do my best to keep you up to date on developments as
the latest consumer funded lean burn at power experiment goes off. Why
have Bomb even gotten away from them????

K

Karen,

I can be gone for a year or more from this N/G and come back and you are
still talking about the same issues.

IMHO, you must have a personal problem with this company or any company for
that matter that is trying to do the responsible thing for the environment
by trying to reduce the amount of emissions that outboard motors emit.

Hey, next we might even be hearing that diesel motors put out less
particulate emissions than gasoline motors.

Do you have any solutions for the problems they have with these engines or
do you just want to "keep the pot stirred".

Fredo thinking to self: "When I buy my retirement boat I will make sure it's
a S/V with an auxiliary power plant".
Then the problem becomes can I sail it by myself or will I just be stuck in
the harbor hunched over a keyboard every day.

"K. Smith" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:54:22 +1100, "K. Smith" wrote:


Yes the endless "software" upgrades have begun it's exactly like the
Ficht debacle. Anyway don't say you haven't been warned this is aboating
NG & this is motors the NG users pay hugely for so ..............


# 7/24/05 8:08:00 PM Submitted by Bulletbuoy (69.14.99.177) from
MICHIGAN says Lol must be bad more like it
As of Friday at the Everstart they had on the Detroit River. The e-tech
had 3 blown power heads, one boat's motor caught on fire and blew the
cowling 30 feet in the error. Forcing the gentlemen aboard to abandon
ship. LOL E tech went over like a fat kid in dodgeball on erie.


It was Merc Verados. Nice try Karen.

Better than nice Tom, it's bloody beautiful!!!:-) the post is clear in
what it says, 3 (count 'em three!!) E-Tecs blow at the Everstart (& it
seems that was "as of Friday"), what are you saying now, the rest of the
boating community are just making this up??? I mean do you go to OMC
dealer classes to be able to post this BS??? Even as OMC went into
bankruptcy the dealers were still trying that line to make one last sale
to the gullible, give it up:-)

I'd guess if it wasn't so there would be at least
one other person from that tournament saying it wasn't so??

So it's me just making sure people are kept up to date with how the
latest Ficht experiment is coming along:-) Yes yes we all know they keep
reducing the prices & finding out what the real price is very difficult,
but hey that's what they did trying to flog the fichts, gave the dealers a
30% markup in rebates etc, so I suppose that might explain why the dealers
will say & do most anything to hook another sucker:-)

Given the detonation vibration/abuse fuel leaks are back (remember the
coast guard ordered a ficht safety recall over them last time??) might I
seriously suggest you wear head protection when you use yours, after all
wouldn't want to see you knocked silly by a blown away cowling:-)

Fear not Tom, I'll do my best to keep you up to date on developments as
the latest consumer funded lean burn at power experiment goes off. Why
have Bomb even gotten away from them????

K

I will buy two engines for my Tolman Skiff this year. Probably a 2
cycle (weight) 75-90 hp primary and a 9 hp kicker. So, what is the
story on OMC and the FICHT engines? Any engine reccomendations for
either a new or slightly used engine?

maybe the issue is about that. Ficht not ETEc

Manufacturer Identification Code

Details for Recall Number 010055T

Number:
010055T

MIC:


Company:
BOMBARDIER LTD

Company Official:
OMC

Model Name:
EVINRUDE 200 & 225 HP

Model Year:
99 & 20

Problem 1:
FUEL SYSTEM

Problem 2:


HIN:


Case Open Date:
04/10/2001

Disposition:
CLOSED

Case Close Date:


Units:
9000

Campaign Open Date:
04/04/2001

Boat Type:
0

Campaign Close Date:
08/14/2002

Severity:
H

Comments:
EVINRUDE 200 & 225 HP OUTBOARD ENGINES ARE FUEL INJECTED USING FICHT
TECHNOLOGY. BOMBARDIER RECENTLY ACQUIRED OMC AND IS ISSUING A REPAIR
KIT WHICH ADDRESSES THE PROBLEM OF FUEL TUBES DISENGAGING FROM THE
INJECTOR UNITS RESULTING IN FIRES AND EXPLOSIONS. RECALL LTR SENT 12
APRIL 01 TO MARTINE RENAUD. CLOSED BASED ON CUR REPORT THAT 91% OF
AFFECTED UNITS HAVE BEEN CORRECTED. ORIGINAL REQUEST TO CLOSE SUBMITTED
4/29/02. ACTION DELAYED UNTIL 8/14/02 DUE TO PERSONNEL CHANGEOVER.

as someone thinking of buying an ETec I appreciate to hear of ANY
suspicous or FICHT like issues ... so if powerheads blow up that IS AN
ISSUE !

I have never heard that happen to a Yamaha 4 stroke. Not once so 3
ETecs per day indicates the FICHT curse is still there

I also like to see more data and like to know where the original post
came from.

No source no value.

Matt

P.S.

the post may be from he

http://www.wmi.org/bassfish/bassboar...ors/T84471.htm

didnt have time to find it yet

Later

Matt

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:52:22 +1100, "K. Smith" wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:54:22 +1100, "K. Smith" wrote:



Yes the endless "software" upgrades have begun it's exactly like the
Ficht debacle. Anyway don't say you haven't been warned this is aboating
NG & this is motors the NG users pay hugely for so ..............


# 7/24/05 8:08:00 PM Submitted by Bulletbuoy (69.14.99.177) from
MICHIGAN says Lol must be bad more like it
As of Friday at the Everstart they had on the Detroit River. The e-tech
had 3 blown power heads, one boat's motor caught on fire and blew the
cowling 30 feet in the error. Forcing the gentlemen aboard to abandon
ship. LOL E tech went over like a fat kid in dodgeball on erie.


It was Merc Verados.

Nice try Karen.

Better than nice Tom, it's bloody beautiful!!!:-) the post is clear in
what it says, 3 (count 'em three!!) E-Tecs blow at the Everstart (& it
seems that was "as of Friday"), what are you saying now, the rest of the
boating community are just making this up??? I mean do you go to OMC
dealer classes to be able to post this BS??? Even as OMC went into
bankruptcy the dealers were still trying that line to make one last sale
to the gullible, give it up:-)



I fail to see what could possibly be, "bloody beautiful!!!:-)" about
some guys wanting to go fishing and having their outboards explode.
You have a twisted sense of humor... and that is assuming that the
unverified report is true.

You are of course correct Gene & certainly I don't think it's funny in
any manner, my comment was not intended as glee that 3 E-Tecs having
failed & if it looked that way I do apologise. This latest attempt at
the ficht is no laughing matter & apologies to all again.

I take it then you agree the poster is talking about 3 very publicly
failed E-Tecs?? & not Merc Verados as Tom was attempting to spin it???


Since this was posted 7/24/2005, you should be able to tell us how
many more blew up and why. Also, tell us more about your source. Is it
true that s/he now posts under the alias
"punklikestosmilelikeadoughnut"?

Is it true?? I have no idea although I'd suggest that given the date &
the event were given if it wasn't true then we might have heard to the
contrary. 24 July isn't all that long ago, well OK it's many upgrades by
ficht standards.



I'd guess if it wasn't so there would be at least
one other person from that tournament saying it wasn't so??



Excellent logic. If one person says it, then it must be true!

Well one person gave some easily checkable details & given that there is
a gaggle of ex OMC dealers always trying to spruik up the market for
these things I'd suggest it's more than likely right. Remember even at
it's worst "only" 1 in 5 fichts failed & given the owners are usually
embarrassed enough over their own stupidity for buying a known defective
product, the dealers do all they can to cover it up & certainly the
suppliers do all they can to hush it up the fact we get any reports at
all is because people at public events like this tell us???

I mean Bill a dealer in all year round boating Florida, was claiming
there were very few ficht failures right up till OMC went under; then
with the other dealers he ran away. Indeed when asked about the evidence
given by failed ficht powerheads he claimed he'd never even seen a
failed ficht!!!:-) Ah dealers ya gotta given credit for neck.


Personally, I'd like to see the initial report and then credible
evidence that backs up the initial allegation. thus far, I see no
credible evidence that this ever happened... primarily because your
cited poster seems to be the only person aware of this occurrence.


I would too Gene but given the stakes involved & the ego of most owners
that is not likely, indeed that's how Ficht was sold as long as it was
by a huge cover up & BS spruiked from dealers, had they not run out of
money they'd still be flogging them.

The owners are basically so embarrassed by their own stupidity that they
will swallow almost any BS because since about say mid 99 nobody could
have bought a ficht & not been aware there were at least possible problems.


So it's me just making sure people are kept up to date with how the
latest Ficht experiment is coming along:-) Yes yes we all know they keep
reducing the prices & finding out what the real price is very difficult,
but hey that's what they did trying to flog the fichts, gave the dealers
a 30% markup in rebates etc, so I suppose that might explain why the
dealers will say & do most anything to hook another sucker:-)



You have proof of this the E-Techs?

I'll never have proof acceptable to some here but there are many reports
exactly like this, I've posted a few already & will give you the rest as
& when I think they're needed, i.e. if I feel the spruikers of this
failed & still very risky technology are attempting to mislead people
into paying money on their sayso, the least I can do is give "my"
opinion (which has been spot on since early 99 re ficht:-)) & then give
some examples of what's available regards "claimed" failures.

Everyone needs to make their own minds up as far as I'm concerned,
however the claims about it being the oil's fault then endless
"upgrades", fuel leaks, rough spots around the mode change (this is
probably detonation by the way) etc etc are all too familiar.



Given the detonation vibration/abuse fuel leaks are back (remember the
coast guard ordered a ficht safety recall over them last time??) might I
seriously suggest you wear head protection when you use yours, after all
wouldn't want to see you knocked silly by a blown away cowling:-)



http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/recalls_database.htm

I couldn't find these new E-Tech safety recalls regarding fuel leaks
caused by vibration in the above database, can you?

I did say it was a ficht recall Gene, although if that's the extent of
your rejoinder then great:-) The fichts lost injectors & plumbing off
the engines because of detonation, not that any dealer will ever tell
you that, now E-Tec has claimed improvements to how all this & the heads
are fastened, well all that does is try to make the engine strong enough
to survive the detonation, not solve the issue. Again as with ficht we
have fuel leaks in the E-Tecs??? after all it seems Yamaha can contain a
rail pressure of up to 800psi??



Fear not Tom, I'll do my best to keep you up to date on developments as
the latest consumer funded lean burn at power experiment goes off. Why
have Bomb even gotten away from them????


Again, there is nothing wrong with lean burn as long as it is lean
enough. I don't support after-the-sale customer support of the
R&D/Engineering effort, but your supporting evidence of your strong
prejudices just doesn't carry any weight.

Everything is wrong with lean burn but you don't really want to discuss
that, you just want to infer it's OK; when no other engine manufacturers
worldwide are using it at the specific power outputs used here (Please
note the "at the specific power outputs" Gene)

As for carrying weight?? I agree my views never have here Gene even back
when ficht first came out, even when people were putting bill boards up
about failed fichts in Texas, even after OMC went into a table drain,
even when the dealers on mass ran away. I suspect they never will with
you or many in the NG but it's all archived & I rely upon my record
regarding this & will happily go on saying what I say & like ficht I'm
confident I'll be vindicated ...... again.

What I am a little ****ed at is in some forums people are now starting
to use my material outright rather than build upon it, but hey :-)

K



K

wrote:
as someone thinking of buying an ETec I appreciate to hear of ANY
suspicous or FICHT like issues ... so if powerheads blow up that IS AN
ISSUE !

I have never heard that happen to a Yamaha 4 stroke. Not once so 3
ETecs per day indicates the FICHT curse is still there

I also like to see more data and like to know where the original post
came from.

No source no value.

Matt



Hi Matt,

These are a few just for you:-) But I need to keep some power dry for
the E-Tec spruikers who will infest this place as soon as the nthn
summer returns:-) But hey I'm confidently & yes sadly predicting there
will be no shortage of powder, just as there wasn't when it was called
ficht:-)

Take care, it's your hard earned money.

http://www.wmi.org/bassfish/bassboar...ors/T82386.htm

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forum...ad.php?t=76469

http://www.wmi.org/bassfish/bassboar...ors/T82453.htm

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/003712.html

K

wrote:
I will buy two engines for my Tolman Skiff this year. Probably a 2
cycle (weight) 75-90 hp primary and a 9 hp kicker. So, what is the
story on OMC and the FICHT engines? Any engine reccomendations for
either a new or slightly used engine?


Don't go near them:-) Yes they can be very cheap & yes they'll offer a
fairy tale long warranty, but ............ last time that was no use to
thousands & thousands of people taken in. Remember the huge deep
pocketed & technically savvy corp Bombardier got out of this very early
on (wonder why???). You're now dealing with another corp entity, I have
no idea as to it's structure but if you are going to buy you should.

Do some google groups searching & you'll see the sadness caused by ficht
& then decide not to risk your pleasure time turning into an expensive
nightmare.

K