On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:57:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:09:45 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JimH wrote:
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JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:49:44 -0500, Harry Krause
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JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:17:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:56:03 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"

wrote:

JohnH,
Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500

http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm


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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really
buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for
me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more
expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things
but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her
at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do
others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while
I convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd
give it serious
thought.

There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has
a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?
I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't
want to give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat, which
would be a big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200).



--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes
That *is* nice, and reasonably priced.
400+ engine hours.
Is that a lot for that Yamaha four stroke? How many are on yours?

A lot less.
Would you consider 400 hours a lot for that Yamaha 4-stroke?

A lot in terms of what, typical lifespan in hours? Depends. If they were
careful "Harry" hours, no. If they were 400 hours on the firewall, well,
yes, that would be a lot.

I'm not your typical outboarder, though. I watch the tach and the fuel
flow meter, not the speedometer.

So how many hours are on the engine?


Less than 400.

Why do you want to know? You're not a potential purchaser. It's not your
business.

A legitimate buyer will be allowed to see the service records.

So how many hours are on the engine?


I told you, if and when you become a serious purchaser, you can see the
service records. Otherwise, what difference does it make?

When you become a serious seller, let us know.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:58:32 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:36:50 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"
wrote:

Harry,

I have to agree with you on this one. I think you should be able to provide
as much or as little information as you feel comfortable doing. If you do
not feel comfortable discussing how often you use your boat or the number of
hours on your boat, you should not do it. I have trouble understanding why
this information should be secret, but that is your prerogative. I just
know I would never buy a boat from anyone who was not upfront with the
number of hours on the engine.

I for one, follow the advice of Internet Security Experts who recommend no
one provide any personal information in public newsgroups, and for that
reason I do keep my personal information (i.e. Name, telephone number,
social security number etc) off of rec.boats. I would actually recommend
anyone who uses their real name in change it to a handle. It would be too
easy for someone to use the internet to harass someone or cause them
financial or personal harm.

Since you don't want to discuss the number of hours on your boat engine
(which I would not consider personal info), I am sure you can understand why
some people prefer not to publish personal information in a public NG.

That makes good sense. Besides, it was getting too much like 'attack mode' anyway.



Why does Smithers keep addressing posts to me and sending me emails I
don't want? Another jerkoff who cannot take NO for an answer?

He was passing on some good advice. So where is the YoHo now, at Breezy or TriState?
What affects have you noticed leaving the boat out on the trailer? I'm seriously
considering putting mine in Breezy to save the $1600 storage fees.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?

I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it
serious
thought.



There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser
engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume
for the moment it is. What's your best offer?

There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500:

http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13


That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics included!
Thanks, NOYB.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 08:08:02 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:57:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:09:45 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:49:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:17:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:56:03 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"

wrote:

JohnH,
Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500

http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really
buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for
me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more
expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things
but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her
at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do
others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while
I convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd
give it serious
thought.

There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has
a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?
I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't
want to give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat, which
would be a big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200).



--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes
That *is* nice, and reasonably priced.
400+ engine hours.
Is that a lot for that Yamaha four stroke? How many are on yours?

A lot less.
Would you consider 400 hours a lot for that Yamaha 4-stroke?

A lot in terms of what, typical lifespan in hours? Depends. If they were
careful "Harry" hours, no. If they were 400 hours on the firewall, well,
yes, that would be a lot.

I'm not your typical outboarder, though. I watch the tach and the fuel
flow meter, not the speedometer.

So how many hours are on the engine?


Less than 400.

Why do you want to know? You're not a potential purchaser. It's not your
business.

A legitimate buyer will be allowed to see the service records.
So how many hours are on the engine?

I told you, if and when you become a serious purchaser, you can see the
service records. Otherwise, what difference does it make?

When you become a serious seller, let us know.


The boat's for sale, John. Make an offer subject to passing inspection
and we'll proceed from there. The boat's been winterized and covered, so
taking the plastic off and recovering it would be on your nickel.

Send me an email with your selling particulars. I'll keep it private.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

JohnH,

This does seem to be one of the problems when buying a used boat for sale by
owner. You have to contend with owners with all of their "quirks". They
may or may not have realistic expectations on the quality and value of their
boat. They also may not have realistic expectations on how to sell a boat
or what is reasonable to expect from the buyer and seller.

I for one, would question if any seller is serious when he says "Make me an
offer before you even see the boat. If you want to see the boat it will
cost you a few hundred dollars.

It does highlight the importance of being able to walk away from a potential
boat. Don't get too emotional involved when inspecting used boats.

I am sure Chuck could tell us stories of sellers and buyers who made the
used boat market very interesting. This is a perfect example why they earn
their 10 - 15% commission.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:57:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:09:45 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:49:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:17:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:56:03 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"

wrote:

JohnH,
Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500

http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we
really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal
for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more
expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of
things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a
lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This
past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept
her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard
about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do
others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a
bigger boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a
while I convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker,
I'd give it serious
thought.

There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000.
It has a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best
offer?
I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I
wouldn't want to give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat,
which would be a big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200).



--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes
That *is* nice, and reasonably priced.
400+ engine hours.
Is that a lot for that Yamaha four stroke? How many are on yours?

A lot less.
Would you consider 400 hours a lot for that Yamaha 4-stroke?

A lot in terms of what, typical lifespan in hours? Depends. If they
were careful "Harry" hours, no. If they were 400 hours on the
firewall, well, yes, that would be a lot.

I'm not your typical outboarder, though. I watch the tach and the
fuel flow meter, not the speedometer.

So how many hours are on the engine?

Less than 400.

Why do you want to know? You're not a potential purchaser. It's not
your business.

A legitimate buyer will be allowed to see the service records.
So how many hours are on the engine?

I told you, if and when you become a serious purchaser, you can see the
service records. Otherwise, what difference does it make?

When you become a serious seller, let us know.


The boat's for sale, John. Make an offer subject to passing inspection and
we'll proceed from there. The boat's been winterized and covered, so
taking the plastic off and recovering it would be on your nickel.

This thread does bring up some interesting ON TOPIC discussion. How many
people would continue to negotiate with a seller who was using a "Standing
Room Only Close" when trying to sell his boat. Would you seriously consider
buying a boat from a seller whom would not discuss the number of hours on
the boat, the options available on the boat, or even allow you to see the
boat without making an offer? Besides making very specific demands on the
buyer, the seller refuses to even specify an " asking price" for the boat?

Would you continue to consider this boat or just move onto the next option?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:57:30 -0500, Harry Krause
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The boat's for sale, John. Make an offer subject to passing inspection
and we'll proceed from there. The boat's been winterized and covered, so
taking the plastic off and recovering it would be on your nickel.

Send me an email with your selling particulars. I'll keep it private.


Send me an email with what it is you want to know, as it were. Indicate in
that email the highest you'd go. If it is way too low, I'll tell you. If
it is low, but close, I'll tell you that, too. I'm more than willing to
make a fair deal but I am not interested in a giveaway.

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SPECS
· Twin 5.7L 260 hp Merc with Bravo 2 outdrives

· LOA 34'9"

· Beam 11'0"

· Dry weight 10,800 lbs
Amazing...a 34-foot, twin engine boat whose dry weight is only
4000 pounds more than my 25-footer. High tech materials?
You actually stepped in it again Harry. The weight/foot of my
32 foot boat is still far greater than your 25 footer......65
1/2 pounds/foot to be exact.

Tee-hee. ;-)


Nice theory, but the beam is 18" wider.

Dan
OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the
entire length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2.
An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number of
reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old bubble
boat of
yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines.
Nice try. Take off 1300 pounds and the boat is still heavier/ft2
than your Parker.
I said the weight comparison was idiotic for any number of reasons,
engine weight being just one. Oh...and my single outboard only
weighs about 500 pounds, so keep deducting. And also deduct all
those "cruising bubble boat amenities" on that old bubble boat, too.
I suspect the hull weights of the two boats are practically the
same. You really don't know much about boats.

"OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the
entire
length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2." Idiocy
in the kind of comparison you are trying to make with boats of two
completely different footprints, or on any other basis, too.

Try picking your posting positions a bit more carefully.

Hey....*you* brought it up................*I* proved you wrong.
No, Jim, all you proved was that a 32' bubble boat weighs more than a
25' fishing boat. D'oh. But you managed to convince yourself again.
What a surprise.
You brought it up Harry. All I did was prove you wrong.

BTW: You conveniently cut this out from your reply so I will ask
again.

Where did you get the 1,300 pounds for the motor weight? I doubt a
5.7L 250 HP motor and outdrive weighs that much.

But even using that figure.............you lose. So solly Challie.

You stepped in it again Harry



Jim, Jim, Jim. Go learn a little about boat design and post back when
you actually know something useful. Anything. So what's a little
outdrive like you had weigh? 1000 pounds? Does that include all its
wiring? Does that include the prop? Somewhere between 1000 and 1100
pounds? Twice as much as my outboard.

You not only step in it every time you post about boats here, Jim; you
live in it.

A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more
than 300 pounds.

You are way off with your weight estimates Harry.

Nice try though.




You say it weights 900 pounds and I guessed it weighed 1000 and I;m way
off?

You're an idiot.

Wait. I'll check the Mercruiser site.


Ahhh. 1000 pounds. Guess I was right and you were wrong. As usual.

Wrong again Krause. You said the outdrive weighed 1000 pounds. It doen't.

The combined engine and outdrive weighs 1,000 pounds.

Nice try.

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-rick- wrote:
JimH wrote:

A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more
than 300 pounds.

1004 lbs combined according to

http://www.mercurymarine.com/5.7l_sd_-_250_hp


Gosh. Hertvik was wrong. Again.

Actually you were. You said the *outdrive* weighed 1,000 pounds.

Nice try Harry.

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SPECS
· Twin 5.7L 260 hp Merc with Bravo 2 outdrives

· LOA 34'9"

· Beam 11'0"

· Dry weight 10,800 lbs
Amazing...a 34-foot, twin engine boat whose dry weight is only
4000 pounds more than my 25-footer. High tech materials?
You actually stepped in it again Harry. The weight/foot of my
32 foot boat is still far greater than your 25 footer......65
1/2 pounds/foot to be exact.

Tee-hee. ;-)


Nice theory, but the beam is 18" wider.

Dan
OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the
entire length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2.
An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number of
reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old bubble
boat of
yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines.
Nice try. Take off 1300 pounds and the boat is still heavier/ft2
than your Parker.
I said the weight comparison was idiotic for any number of reasons,
engine weight being just one. Oh...and my single outboard only
weighs about 500 pounds, so keep deducting. And also deduct all
those "cruising bubble boat amenities" on that old bubble boat, too.
I suspect the hull weights of the two boats are practically the
same. You really don't know much about boats.

"OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the
entire
length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2." Idiocy
in the kind of comparison you are trying to make with boats of two
completely different footprints, or on any other basis, too.

Try picking your posting positions a bit more carefully.

Hey....*you* brought it up................*I* proved you wrong.
No, Jim, all you proved was that a 32' bubble boat weighs more than a
25' fishing boat. D'oh. But you managed to convince yourself again.
What a surprise.
You brought it up Harry. All I did was prove you wrong.

BTW: You conveniently cut this out from your reply so I will ask
again.

Where did you get the 1,300 pounds for the motor weight? I doubt a
5.7L 250 HP motor and outdrive weighs that much.

But even using that figure.............you lose. So solly Challie.

You stepped in it again Harry



Jim, Jim, Jim. Go learn a little about boat design and post back when
you actually know something useful. Anything. So what's a little
outdrive like you had weigh? 1000 pounds? Does that include all its
wiring? Does that include the prop? Somewhere between 1000 and 1100
pounds? Twice as much as my outboard.

You not only step in it every time you post about boats here, Jim; you
live in it.

A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more
than 300 pounds.

You are way off with your weight estimates Harry.

Nice try though.




You say it weights 900 pounds and I guessed it weighed 1000 and I;m way
off?

You're an idiot.

Wait. I'll check the Mercruiser site.


Ahhh. 1000 pounds. Guess I was right and you were wrong. As usual.

Now, be sure to write back here when you actually know something, eh?

Remember saying this Harry?

"An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number of
reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old bubble boat of
yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines."

You were speaking of *engines*

Then you said this:

"So what's a little outdrive like you had weigh? 1000 pounds?"

Note the word *outdrives*.

Nice try Harry.

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JimH wrote:

A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more
than 300 pounds.
1004 lbs combined according to

http://www.mercurymarine.com/5.7l_sd_-_250_hp

Gosh. Hertvik was wrong. Again.

Actually you were. You said the *outdrive* weighed 1,000 pounds.

Nice try Harry.

Go play with your idiot buddies, Hert.

Back to insults because I proved you wrong again Harry?