"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
-rick- wrote:
JimH wrote:

A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more
than 300 pounds.

1004 lbs combined according to

http://www.mercurymarine.com/5.7l_sd_-_250_hp


Gosh. Hertv was wrong. Again.

No, you were.

Remember saying this Harry?

"An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number of
reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old bubble boat of
yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines."

You were speaking of *engines*

Then you said this:

"So what's a little outdrive like you had weigh? 1000 pounds?"

Note the word *outdrives*.

Nice try Harry.

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
m...
JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?

I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it
serious
thought.



There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser
engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent."
Assume
for the moment it is. What's your best offer?

There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500:

http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13


That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics
included!
Thanks, NOYB.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes


This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal on Krause's
boat.

It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*, especially with a
seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat (engine
hours).

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
ink.net...
JimH wrote:


SPECS
· Twin 5.7L 260 hp Merc with Bravo 2 outdrives

· LOA 34'9"

· Beam 11'0"

· Dry weight 10,800 lbs
Amazing...a 34-foot, twin engine boat whose dry weight is
only 4000 pounds more than my 25-footer. High tech
materials?
You actually stepped in it again Harry. The weight/foot of
my 32 foot boat is still far greater than your 25
footer......65 1/2 pounds/foot to be exact.

Tee-hee. ;-)


Nice theory, but the beam is 18" wider.

Dan
OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the
entire length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2.
An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number
of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old
bubble boat of
yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines.
Nice try. Take off 1300 pounds and the boat is still heavier/ft2
than your Parker.
I said the weight comparison was idiotic for any number of
reasons, engine weight being just one. Oh...and my single outboard
only weighs about 500 pounds, so keep deducting. And also deduct
all those "cruising bubble boat amenities" on that old bubble
boat, too. I suspect the hull weights of the two boats are
practically the same. You really don't know much about boats.

"OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the
entire
length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2."
Idiocy
in the kind of comparison you are trying to make with boats of two
completely different footprints, or on any other basis, too.

Try picking your posting positions a bit more carefully.

Hey....*you* brought it up................*I* proved you wrong.
No, Jim, all you proved was that a 32' bubble boat weighs more than
a 25' fishing boat. D'oh. But you managed to convince yourself
again. What a surprise.
You brought it up Harry. All I did was prove you wrong.

BTW: You conveniently cut this out from your reply so I will ask
again.

Where did you get the 1,300 pounds for the motor weight? I doubt a
5.7L 250 HP motor and outdrive weighs that much.

But even using that figure.............you lose. So solly Challie.

You stepped in it again Harry



Jim, Jim, Jim. Go learn a little about boat design and post back when
you actually know something useful. Anything. So what's a little
outdrive like you had weigh? 1000 pounds? Does that include all its
wiring? Does that include the prop? Somewhere between 1000 and 1100
pounds? Twice as much as my outboard.

You not only step in it every time you post about boats here, Jim; you
live in it.
A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more
than 300 pounds.

You are way off with your weight estimates Harry.

Nice try though.



You say it weights 900 pounds and I guessed it weighed 1000 and I;m way
off?

You're an idiot.

Wait. I'll check the Mercruiser site.


Ahhh. 1000 pounds. Guess I was right and you were wrong. As usual.

Now, be sure to write back here when you actually know something, eh?

Remember saying this Harry?

"An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number of
reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old bubble boat of
yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines."

You were speaking of *engines*

Then you said this:

"So what's a little outdrive like you had weigh? 1000 pounds?"

Note the word *outdrives*.

Nice try Harry.


Write back when you can engage in adult-level conversation, fella.

Hey, if you do not know the diffence between an engine, outdrive and
combined power and drive unit that is your problem Harry.



Anyone with the possible exception of your buttbuddies here would agree
that my estimation was for your power plants with the drives attached. As
it turns out, your two I/O's weighed just under 2100 pounds when you
figure in controls, cables, et cetera, not that far off from the 2500
pounds I estimated.

Actually you said 2,600 punds , which would put you 592 pounds over the
actual combined engine/drive weight. I estimated 1,800 pounds........208
pounds off.

So solly Challie...........you were the one who was way off......and wrong
(again),



Your attempts to claim that I meant only your outdrives or only your
engines weighed that much shows what an absolute lamer you are.

Nice spin. *You* used the words engine and outdrive and gave seperate
weight estimates on each.

So are you back into the insult mode when proved wrong Harry? It must
really tick you off that in this one thread I proved wrong on all your
claims about boats.........eh Krause?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy
one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense.
My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at
pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others
here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give
it
serious
thought.


There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser
engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent."
Assume
for the moment it is. What's your best offer?
There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500:

http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13

That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics
included!
Thanks, NOYB.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to resolve it."
Rene Descartes


This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal on
Krause's boat.

It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*, especially with
a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat (engine
hours).


Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here would love
to put the hex on any such deal.

John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will. My
reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots like you,
Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera.


Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or properly price a
boat that is your problem Harry.

I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when you reply to
me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and the total
weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive.

But that's OK Harry. You will get over it.

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really
buy
one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me.
A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense.
My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things
but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at
pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others
here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd
give
it
serious
thought.


There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser
engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent."
Assume
for the moment it is. What's your best offer?
There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500:

http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13

That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics
included!
Thanks, NOYB.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary
to resolve it."
Rene Descartes


This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal on
Krause's boat.

It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*, especially
with
a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat
(engine
hours).


Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here would
love
to put the hex on any such deal.

John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will. My
reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots like you,
Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera.


Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or properly
price a
boat that is your problem Harry.

I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when you reply
to
me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and the total
weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive.

But that's OK Harry. You will get over it.

Most people that post here are too smart to ever do business with someone
like harry.

Paul,

I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would think
most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says "Guess my
price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but even after
JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will just
play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest, I have
never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only" attitude,
refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing to
provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer.

Very strange indeed.

It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat. You have
to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally attached or
who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale.




"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really
buy
one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for
me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more
expense.
My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things
but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her
at
pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do
others
here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while
I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd
give
it
serious
thought.


There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has
a
lesser
engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent."
Assume
for the moment it is. What's your best offer?
There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500:

http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13

That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the electronics
included!
Thanks, NOYB.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary
to resolve it."
Rene Descartes


This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal on
Krause's boat.

It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*, especially
with
a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat
(engine
hours).


Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here would
love
to put the hex on any such deal.

John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will. My
reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots like
you,
Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera.


Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or properly
price a
boat that is your problem Harry.

I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when you
reply to
me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and the total
weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive.

But that's OK Harry. You will get over it.

Most people that post here are too smart to ever do business with someone
like harry.

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Paul,

I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would think
most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says "Guess
my
price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but even
after
JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will just
play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest, I
have
never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only"
attitude,
refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing to
provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer.

Very strange indeed.

It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat. You
have
to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally attached
or
who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale.

Maybe harry's wife is demanding he sell the boat ;-)

If I were selling a boat myself over the winter, I would have tarped it,
so that a potential buyer could look at it. After all the second happiest
day of boat ownership is when you sell it. Why would anyone with any
smarts make it difficult for a potential buyer?








"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we
really
buy
one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for
me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more
expense.
My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of
things
but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot.
The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past
6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept
her
at
pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about
for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do
others
here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a
bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a
while
I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd
give
it
serious
thought.


There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It
has
a
lesser
engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent."
Assume
for the moment it is. What's your best offer?
There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500:


http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13

That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the
electronics
included!
Thanks, NOYB.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary
to resolve it."
Rene Descartes


This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal
on
Krause's boat.

It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*,
especially
with
a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat
(engine
hours).


Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here
would
love
to put the hex on any such deal.

John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will. My
reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots like
you,
Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera.


Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or properly
price a
boat that is your problem Harry.

I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when you
reply to
me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and the
total
weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive.

But that's OK Harry. You will get over it.

Most people that post here are too smart to ever do business with
someone
like harry.

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Paul,

I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would
think
most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says
"Guess my
price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but even
after
JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will
just
play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest, I
have
never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only"
attitude,
refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing to
provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer.

Very strange indeed.

It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat. You
have
to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally
attached or
who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale.

Maybe harry's wife is demanding he sell the boat ;-)

If I were selling a boat myself over the winter, I would have tarped
it, so that a potential buyer could look at it. After all the second
happiest day of boat ownership is when you sell it. Why would anyone
with any smarts make it difficult for a potential buyer?



Indeed. And if the decision to sell came after shrink wrapping the seller
can easily have an access door installed, allowing for easy access yet being
able to zipper it up tight. To mandate to a prospective buyer that the boat
would have to be re-shrink wrapped if he/she wanted to look at the boat, and
at their expense, is just plain crazy.

Paul,

That brings up an excellent point. If you are selling the boat and you want
to get the maximum price for the boat, you do need to make it very easy for
the buyer to know all of the features and benefits of the boat, and make it
easy for him to see the boat.

I would not provide a "sea trial" for someone just walking the docks, but if
someone
had seen the boat and knew the "asking price" and made a reasonable counter
offer, I would provide a sea trial to firm up my price. After all, if you
have a "cherry of a boat" the buyer will not want to let it slip through his
fingers. He will be more inclined to pay top price if he get behind the
helm and his emotions started to take over.

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Paul,

I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would
think
most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says
"Guess my
price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but even
after
JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will
just
play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest, I
have
never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only"
attitude,
refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing to
provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer.

Very strange indeed.

It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat. You
have
to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally
attached or
who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale.

Maybe harry's wife is demanding he sell the boat ;-)

If I were selling a boat myself over the winter, I would have tarped
it, so that a potential buyer could look at it. After all the second
happiest day of boat ownership is when you sell it. Why would anyone
with any smarts make it difficult for a potential buyer?








"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we
really
buy
one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal
for
me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more
expense.
My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of
things
but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot.
The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This
past 6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept
her
at
pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about
for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do
others
here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a
bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a
while
I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker,
I'd
give
it
serious
thought.


There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It
has
a
lesser
engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent."
Assume
for the moment it is. What's your best offer?
There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500:


http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13

That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the
electronics
included!
Thanks, NOYB.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary
to resolve it."
Rene Descartes


This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw deal
on
Krause's boat.

It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*,
especially
with
a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the boat
(engine
hours).


Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here
would
love
to put the hex on any such deal.

John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will. My
reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots like
you,
Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera.


Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or properly
price a
boat that is your problem Harry.

I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when you
reply to
me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and the
total
weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive.

But that's OK Harry. You will get over it.

Most people that post here are too smart to ever do business with
someone
like harry.

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Paul,

That brings up an excellent point. If you are selling the boat and you
want
to get the maximum price for the boat, you do need to make it very easy
for
the buyer to know all of the features and benefits of the boat, and make
it
easy for him to see the boat.

I would not provide a "sea trial" for someone just walking the docks,
but if
someone
had seen the boat and knew the "asking price" and made a reasonable
counter
offer, I would provide a sea trial to firm up my price. After all, if
you
have a "cherry of a boat" the buyer will not want to let it slip through
his
fingers. He will be more inclined to pay top price if he get behind the
helm and his emotions started to take over.

Especially in boats of the size we are talking about.......it is different
for the mega yacht crowd, that has money to throw around, but people that
are buying in the under 40' range typically have a set budget, and are not
going to be willing to toss money at something for nothing.
(buy the time they pay for a survey, they are pretty much committed on
buying the boat)


"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Paul,

I am not sure if you statement about Harry is correct, but I would
think
most people would be hesitant to buy a boat from someone who says
"Guess my
price"? Harry is not only asking for JohnH to make an offer, but
even
after
JohnH makes his offer, Harry will not make a counter offer, he will
just
play the "Cold, Colder, getting Warmer" game. I have to be honest,
I
have
never heard of anyone selling anything with a "Standing Room Only"
attitude,
refusing to provide details of the product being sold, and refusing
to
provide an asking price or a even providing a counter offer.

Very strange indeed.

It does highlight one of the disadvantages of buying a used boat.
You
have
to contend with amateurs selling a boat who are too emotionally
attached or
who make unreasonable demands to the boat to facilitate the sale.

Maybe harry's wife is demanding he sell the boat ;-)

If I were selling a boat myself over the winter, I would have tarped
it, so that a potential buyer could look at it. After all the second
happiest day of boat ownership is when you sell it. Why would anyone
with any smarts make it difficult for a potential buyer?








"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:17:50 GMT, "NOYB"
wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we
really
buy
one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal
for
me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more
expense.
My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of
things
but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a
lot.
The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This
past 6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I
kept
her
at
pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard
about
for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length".
Do
others
here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a
bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a
while
I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker,
I'd
give
it
serious
thought.


There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000.
It
has
a
lesser
engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent."
Assume
for the moment it is. What's your best offer?
There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500:


http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13

That one sounds like a pretty good deal. Look at all the
electronics
included!
Thanks, NOYB.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary
to resolve it."
Rene Descartes


This thread obviously shows that you would be getting a raw
deal
on
Krause's boat.

It is obvious that you should walk away from this *deal*,
especially
with
a seller reluctant to give even basic information about the
boat
(engine
hours).


Hehehe. I'm sure you, Smithers, and the rest of my "fans" here
would
love
to put the hex on any such deal.

John knows how to contact me. If he's a serious buyer he will.
My
reluctance is to do business *here* among the drooling idiots
like
you,
Skipper, Smithers, Fritz, et cetera.


Hey, if you don't know how to properly negotiate a deal or
properly
price a
boat that is your problem Harry.

I can see the spittle forming at the corners of you mouth when
you
reply to
me. After all, I proved you wrong about the boat weight and the
total
weight of a 5.7L engine with Bravo II outdrive.

But that's OK Harry. You will get over it.

Most people that post here are too smart to ever do business with
someone
like harry.