On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 13:09:45 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:49:44 -0500, Harry Krause
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JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:17:42 -0500, Harry Krause
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JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:56:03 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"

wrote:

JohnH,
Here is anice Parker 2520 XL Pilothouse for $53.500

http://www.usedboats.com/used-boat-648705.htm


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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:07:40 -0500, Harry Krause
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JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

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We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really
buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for
me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more
expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things
but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The
older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6
months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her
at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for
years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do
others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger
boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while
I convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd
give it serious
thought.

There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has
a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?
I'd have to visit and talk to the folks at TriState. I wouldn't
want to give a number
without having made the decision to go for another boat, which
would be a big
decision for me (not like trading up from a D70 to a D200).



--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes
That *is* nice, and reasonably priced.
400+ engine hours.
Is that a lot for that Yamaha four stroke? How many are on yours?

A lot less.
Would you consider 400 hours a lot for that Yamaha 4-stroke?


A lot in terms of what, typical lifespan in hours? Depends. If they were
careful "Harry" hours, no. If they were 400 hours on the firewall, well,
yes, that would be a lot.

I'm not your typical outboarder, though. I watch the tach and the fuel
flow meter, not the speedometer.


So how many hours are on the engine?



Less than 400.

Why do you want to know? You're not a potential purchaser. It's not your
business.

A legitimate buyer will be allowed to see the service records.

So how many hours are on the engine?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:36:50 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"
wrote:

Harry,

I have to agree with you on this one. I think you should be able to provide
as much or as little information as you feel comfortable doing. If you do
not feel comfortable discussing how often you use your boat or the number of
hours on your boat, you should not do it. I have trouble understanding why
this information should be secret, but that is your prerogative. I just
know I would never buy a boat from anyone who was not upfront with the
number of hours on the engine.

I for one, follow the advice of Internet Security Experts who recommend no
one provide any personal information in public newsgroups, and for that
reason I do keep my personal information (i.e. Name, telephone number,
social security number etc) off of rec.boats. I would actually recommend
anyone who uses their real name in change it to a handle. It would be too
easy for someone to use the internet to harass someone or cause them
financial or personal harm.

Since you don't want to discuss the number of hours on your boat engine
(which I would not consider personal info), I am sure you can understand why
some people prefer not to publish personal information in a public NG.

That makes good sense. Besides, it was getting too much like 'attack mode' anyway.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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SPECS
· Twin 5.7L 260 hp Merc with Bravo 2 outdrives

· LOA 34'9"

· Beam 11'0"

· Dry weight 10,800 lbs
Amazing...a 34-foot, twin engine boat whose dry weight is only
4000 pounds more than my 25-footer. High tech materials?
You actually stepped in it again Harry. The weight/foot of my 32
foot boat is still far greater than your 25 footer......65 1/2
pounds/foot to be exact.

Tee-hee. ;-)


Nice theory, but the beam is 18" wider.

Dan
OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the
entire length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2.
An absolutely idiotic, simple-minded comparison for any number of
reasons, not the least of which is the fact that that old bubble
boat of
yours had about 2600 pounds tied up in engines.
Nice try. Take off 1300 pounds and the boat is still heavier/ft2
than your Parker.
I said the weight comparison was idiotic for any number of reasons,
engine weight being just one. Oh...and my single outboard only weighs
about 500 pounds, so keep deducting. And also deduct all those
"cruising bubble boat amenities" on that old bubble boat, too. I
suspect the hull weights of the two boats are practically the same.
You really don't know much about boats.

"OK. Taking total square foot (assuming a full beam along the entire
length of the boat) mine is still about 20% heavier/ft2." Idiocy
in the kind of comparison you are trying to make with boats of two
completely different footprints, or on any other basis, too.

Try picking your posting positions a bit more carefully.

Hey....*you* brought it up................*I* proved you wrong.

No, Jim, all you proved was that a 32' bubble boat weighs more than a
25' fishing boat. D'oh. But you managed to convince yourself again. What
a surprise.

You brought it up Harry. All I did was prove you wrong.

BTW: You conveniently cut this out from your reply so I will ask again.

Where did you get the 1,300 pounds for the motor weight? I doubt a 5.7L
250 HP motor and outdrive weighs that much.

But even using that figure.............you lose. So solly Challie.

You stepped in it again Harry




Jim, Jim, Jim. Go learn a little about boat design and post back when you
actually know something useful. Anything. So what's a little outdrive like
you had weigh? 1000 pounds? Does that include all its wiring? Does that
include the prop? Somewhere between 1000 and 1100 pounds? Twice as much as
my outboard.

You not only step in it every time you post about boats here, Jim; you
live in it.

A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more than
300 pounds.

You are way off with your weight estimates Harry.

Nice try though.

JimH wrote:

A 5.7 L engine weighs 600 pounds. A Bravo II outdrive weighs no more than
300 pounds.

1004 lbs combined according to

http://www.mercurymarine.com/5.7l_sd_-_250_hp

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?

I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it
serious
thought.



There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a lesser
engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent." Assume
for the moment it is. What's your best offer?

There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500:

http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13

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i would expect most Parker owners would not be firewall type operators.

Who knows? I wouldn't bet on that one way or the other.

JohnH,
It looks like the only boat you can comfortable buy is Harry's.

NOYB,
The problem with this boat is it doesn't have "Harry Hours" on the boat.
If it had Harry Hours on the boat it would be worth $20,000 more. I
wouldn't feel comfortable buying any boat that didn't have Harry Hours on
the boat. I just wouldn't bet on it being a good boat or a bad boat.


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JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?

I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it
serious
thought.



There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an "equivalent."
Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?

There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500:

http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13

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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it
serious
thought.


There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?

There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500:

http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13


Older boat than mine, many more hours, no trailer, smaller fuel tank, but
the guy who is selling it is familiar to me from the old Parker chat
board. Wonder what he's doing for a new boat?

What are you planning on doing for a new boat if/when you sell the Parker?

As you know, I got that Grady 30' Marlin 6 weeks ago, and put the Whaler 25'
up for sale. I've had a half-dozen calls/emails on the boat, but no serious
buyers yet. My dad was down on vacation this past week, and he was telling
me he'd like to buy the boat if he had a place to keep it. Long story
short...he bought a trailer for it, and found a place to keep it in covered
dry-storage for when he retires down here next year. So the Whaler is still
in my family. We plan on trailering it over to the east coast next month to
chase the near-shore sailfish.

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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On 31 Dec 2005 08:10:32 -0800, "

wrote:

We all occasionally wish for a larger boat but would we really buy one
if we were able? I have decided "No", my 28' S2 is ideal for me. A
larger boat would have more to go wrong and require more expense. My
28 is ideal for me as she is large enough to do a lot of things but
small enough for me to easily single-hand which I do a lot. The older
I get, the happier I am to not have a larger boat. This past 6 months
is the first time I have ever had her in a marina ( I kept her at pvt
docks for years) and I have noticed what I have heard about for years,
"A boats use is inversely proportional to her length". Do others here
have a simialr experience of realizing they do not want a bigger boat?
I go through the 'bigger boat' desires every year. After a while I
convince myself
that the 21'er I've got does what I want to do just fine.

But, if Harry were to make me a super deal on that Parker, I'd give it
serious
thought.


There's a boat similar to mine on Boat Trader for $69,000. It has a
lesser engine, a lesser trailer, but has radar. Might be an
"equivalent." Assume for the moment it is. What's your best offer?

There's an '02 on thehulltruth.com for $53,500:

http://thehulltruth.com/forums/threa...81563&posts=13


Older boat than mine, many more hours,

Each year, I put 250+ hours on my primary boat, and an additional 100 or so
hours on the 17-footer. I don't consider 385 hours a lot of
hours...especially on a four-stroke. That motor should be good for another
1500+ hours.

no trailer,


Trailers aren't that expensive. Under $4k for a boat that size. For $2900,
my dad just picked up a dual axle/dual disk brake Continental to fit a 25'
Whaler.


smaller fuel tank,

300 mile range should be more than enough for a single engine 25' boat.



but the guy who is selling it is familiar to me from the old Parker chat
board. Wonder what he's doing for a new boat?

2-foot-itis?

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As you know, I got that Grady 30' Marlin 6 weeks ago, and put the Whaler
25' up for sale. I've had a half-dozen calls/emails on the boat, but no
serious buyers yet. My dad was down on vacation this past week, and he
was telling me he'd like to buy the boat if he had a place to keep it.
Long story short...he bought a trailer for it, and found a place to keep
it in covered dry-storage for when he retires down here next year. So the
Whaler is still in my family. We plan on trailering it over to the east
coast next month to chase the near-shore sailfish.


I discovered an interesting state of affairs regarding selling boats in the
area of Florida were we wintered. According to two brokers, it is currently
very difficult for them to sell a boat that the buyer is going to finance.
The problem is insurance. Because of the three hurricanes in one year,
insurance is hard to come by and, if you do find someone that will insure,
it is extremely expensive. I had several acceptable offers for my 20' Scout
when I had it for sale down there, but each deal fell through because the
buyer was financing and could not get the required insurance. I ended up
towing the boat back up to MA and will probably use it for day trips.

Eisboch