"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Harry,

If you are going to pretend you have me filtered, maybe it would work best
if you didn't respond to my posts even 2nd hand.

By the way, Yahoo and Comcast contacted me concerning your complaint
about me "Spamming" you. I forwarded the two emails in question and they
both realized that you were using the system to try to harass me. Since
it would be very easy to block a user it was obvious to them that you
reporting me as a SPAMMER was a feeble attempt to bring a NG disagreement
out of the NG.

This is a perfect example of why NO ONE should provide personal
information in a NG. If you can try to screw someone based upon their
Yahoo email, imagine what you would try if you knew a persons name. That
might have been low for even for you.



Too late for me. I was stalked by Harry till he found out my real name, my
wife's name. He then made a couple of threats to me and went to the extent
of getting a picture of our house.

I am sure he has a full file of information on me now.

Why does a person do this?

The point isn't that Harry tried to get my ISP to cancel my account due to a
violation in the TOS, but if someone will do that when the only information
he knows his a Yahoo Account and your ISP, you can imagine what damage
someone can do if they knew more info.

I would remind everyone to keep ALL personal information out of Newsgroups.


" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
. ..

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Harry,

If you are going to pretend you have me filtered, maybe it would work
best if you didn't respond to my posts even 2nd hand.

By the way, Yahoo and Comcast contacted me concerning your complaint
about me "Spamming" you. I forwarded the two emails in question and they
both realized that you were using the system to try to harass me. Since
it would be very easy to block a user it was obvious to them that you
reporting me as a SPAMMER was a feeble attempt to bring a NG disagreement
out of the NG.

This is a perfect example of why NO ONE should provide personal
information in a NG. If you can try to screw someone based upon their
Yahoo email, imagine what you would try if you knew a persons name. That
might have been low for even for you.



Too late for me. I was stalked by Harry till he found out my real name,
my wife's name. He then made a couple of threats to me and went to the
extent of getting a picture of our house.

I am sure he has a full file of information on me now.

Why does a person do this?

Transferable Warranty

-j


"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used
boats. I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to buy
another boat I probably would buy a used boat.

I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of
buying a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have
listed a few ideas. Please add yours.

Advantage of a used boat a

1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have
probably been solved.

2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will
be thrown in for free.

3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs as
soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is only 2
years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the same
boat new.

Any other benefits of a used boat?



The disadvantage of a used boat:

1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will
not find.

2. You will not have the "new boat smell".

3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down
payment might be higher than new.

4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat at
a reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out many
new boats in one location.


Any other disadvantages of the used boat?

When I bought my boat I got a title for the trailer but not for the boat.
(Indiana)
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
Bill,
It is the same in my state, but it would be fairly easy for some to scan a
legitimate title and change the info on the form.


"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
When I have sold or purchased boats in the past, I have written into the
contract that I or the seller would provide a clean title within 3
weeks. I then paid off the lien holder, copied the seller on the check
submitted to the lien holder and then provided him with a copy of the
title. If either party did not honor the contract, it could be resolved
in court.

I have always felt this was sufficient, but if someone's objective was
to screw me and the title was a forgery,( with today's computer is very
possible), they probably could have. Today, I think I would contact
the lien holder directly get the payoff amount, ask for a check to be
made jointly to me and the lien holder and I would mail the check to the
lien holder.




"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:23:54 -0500, "Reggie Smithers"

wrote:

JohnH,

Did the credit union warrant that the title was clean and clear? Since
you
purchased the boat, and used them to "borrow the money" and they were
the
lien holder, I would think it was up to you to provide them with a
clean
title, not up to them to provide you with a clean title.

Or do you mean that since the title was clean enough for the Credit
Union,
it probably was a clean title?


"JohnH" wrote in message
om...
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 14:52:02 GMT, "Butch Davis"

wrote:

Reggie,

When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know
that
the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any
liens.
Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one
of
those states.

As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines
and/or
major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat
with
a
warranty.

Butch

To overcome the 'title' problem, I financed the boat through the
credit
union and let
them worry about getting the correct title, etc. Then, after a couple
weeks, I paid
off the loan. Total cost to me was about $25, well worth it.

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to
resolve it."
Rene Descartes


The credit union worked with the seller's bank to get the title. The
seller still had
a note on the boat which had to be paid off by the credit union.

To answer your second question, I guess I assumed if it was clean
enough for the
credit union, it would be clean enough for me. I figured they had some
quick and
dirty way to check a title.

How would one go about verifying a clean title?

--
John H.

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to resolve it."
Rene Descartes



In California, and also Oregon, where I purchased my boat, the lien
holder is listed on the title, just like on a car.

I have always bought used (ok abused). Last summer I finally purchased new
and havent looked back. With new you have a 99.99999 chance of reliability.
On a lake if your engine quits you just drift. On the river ( whre we boat)
if the engine quits your gonna end up bouncing off a Lock and Dam.
The reliability is the main reason I bought new. I love the fact that I can
be downstream and not have to worry about turning the engine off. I know
that it will start .

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used
boats.
I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to buy
another
boat I probably would buy a used boat.

I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of
buying
a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have listed a few
ideas. Please add yours.

Advantage of a used boat a

1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have
probably
been solved.

2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will
be
thrown in for free.

3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs as
soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is only 2
years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the same
boat
new.

Any other benefits of a used boat?



The disadvantage of a used boat:

1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will
not
find.

2. You will not have the "new boat smell".

3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down
payment might be higher than new.

4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat at
a
reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out many
new
boats in one location.


Any other disadvantages of the used boat?

Reggie Smithers wrote:

Butch,
I know if the boat is CG registered that the lien will be included on the
registration, do most states include the lien holder on the boat title the
way they do on car titles?

I am not Butch :-)

But we purchased a used boat this fall, Georgia does not have titles.
You can scribble out a bill of sale on a piece of paper and the deal is
done. We discussed the issue of "What if a load exist" on the boat and
the Marina was willing to back up (in writing) that no leans existed as
they had been the original seller of the boat (new) to the current
owner. Who they new and had kept it in a the drystorage there after it
was purchased. Our bill of sale states that no loans exist on the boat.

The deal was done with a Marina doing the selling and representing the
seller. But we were concerned about this. I would consult someone in the
used boat business in your area on the best way to do a search for a
load on a used boat.

Now this spring I will be selling my old boat and all I have to show
that it was fully paid for is a letter from the bank we had the original
loan.

Capt Jack R..

"Butch Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...

Reggie,

When buying a used boat it is critically important to absolutly know that
the boat is legally owned by the seller and that it is free of any liens.
Some states continue to fail to require boat titles. Alabama is one of
those states.

As you said, the other major risk is hidden defects. New engines and/or
major hull repair would drive the cost well above that of a new boat with
a warranty.

Butch
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
m...

In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about buying a used
boats. I have purchased both new and used boats, and if I was going to
buy another boat I probably would buy a used boat.

I thought it might be interested if everyone added their thoughts of
buying a used boat vs. a new boat. To get the thread started I have
listed a few ideas. Please add yours.

Advantage of a used boat a

1. The new boats problems (and they all have a few gremlins) have
probably been solved.

2. The boat will probably include many options or accessories that will
be thrown in for free.

3. The other person is taking the big hit for depreciation that incurs
as soon as the boat is taken off the dealers lot. Even if the boat is
only 2 years old, you can probably save at least 20% off the cost of the
same boat new.

Any other benefits of a used boat?



The disadvantage of a used boat:

1. There might be hidden problems, that even a survey and mechanic will
not find.

2. You will not have the "new boat smell".

3. If you are going to finance the boat, you interest rates and down
payment might be higher than new.

4. You need to be prepared to spend more time finding a good used boat
at a reasonable price. It is easier to visit a boat show and check out
many new boats in one location.


Any other disadvantages of the used boat?

Reggie Smithers wrote:

JimH,
How can anyone know if the seller is being honest with the engine hours if
their is not hour meter?

For that matter, how can someone be sure if the seller is being honest about
the engine hours even if their is an hour meter? Today's cars are set up to
make it very hard to set back the mileage. I don't think there is anything
similar for replacing the hour meter and just running the meter to provide a
reasonable number of engine hours.

You ask whether or not Krause is honest? Honest???

--
Skipper

Reggie Smithers wrote:

Harry,

If you are going to pretend you have me filtered, maybe it would work best
if you didn't respond to my posts even 2nd hand.

By the way, Yahoo and Comcast contacted me concerning your complaint about
me "Spamming" you. I forwarded the two emails in question and they both
realized that you were using the system to try to harass me. Since it would
be very easy to block a user it was obvious to them that you reporting me as
a SPAMMER was a feeble attempt to bring a NG disagreement out of the NG.

This is a perfect example of why NO ONE should provide personal information
in a NG. If you can try to screw someone based upon their Yahoo email,
imagine what you would try if you knew a persons name. That might have been
low for even for you.

I know from personal experience that Krause Will use any info against
you.

--
Skipper

Reggie Smithers wrote:
JimH,
How can anyone know if the seller is being honest with the engine hours if
their is not hour meter?

For that matter, how can someone be sure if the seller is being honest about
the engine hours even if their is an hour meter? Today's cars are set up to
make it very hard to set back the mileage. I don't think there is anything
similar for replacing the hour meter and just running the meter to provide a
reasonable number of engine hours.


Which is precisely why an engine survey is so critical.

Even *if* it can be convincingly established that there are "only 600
hours" on the engine,
so what? Did the last owner beat the living stink out of the engine for
600 hours? If so, it could easily be ready to go toes up. Did the last
owner cherish the engine and maintain it
fastidiously? If so, there may be another 1000 hours or more left where
that first 600 came from.

A boat that "looks like it was well cared for" is no guarantee either.
I remember one having two nearly identical 34 CHB's for sale. One
arrived in "average" or maybe slightly better
condition, and the other was such a blown out filthy pig when it came
to the dock that we insisted the owner have it detailed before we put a
"for sale" sign on it. The detailer did one heck of a job. Several
people in a row came to look at both boats, and they all immediately
indicated they would be much more interested in the (previously piggy)
boat that had just been detailed because "It's obviously had much
better care and attention from the previous owner." Even pointing out
that one boat had been detailed and the other had not didn't sway any
of those prospects to the actually better kept boat......seeing is
believing. Fortunately the previously piggy boat passed a mechanical
survey, and for all I know the buyer was happy with it for years
afterward and maybe still is.

Private maintenance log? Better than nothing, but could easily be
dummied up by a conniving seller. Ask to see receipts for oil, filters,
and tune-up parts in addition to entries in a spiral binder......(and
remember to keep them if you oneday hope to impress some other
skeptical buyer with your own maintenance log).

Most convincing record is probably a series of work orders, from a
shop, with engine hours and dates noted.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:

JimH,
How can anyone know if the seller is being honest with the engine hours
if
their is not hour meter?

For that matter, how can someone be sure if the seller is being honest
about
the engine hours even if their is an hour meter? Today's cars are set
up to
make it very hard to set back the mileage. I don't think there is
anything
similar for replacing the hour meter and just running the meter to
provide a
reasonable number of engine hours.

You ask whether or not Krause is honest? Honest???

--
Skipper



The data stored on the onboard computer on many modern outboard motors is
quite revealing, a fact obviously unknown to Snipper and
FourFeathersSmithers.

I had the ECM replaced on my Suzuki at around 60 hours due to a recall.
Twenty hours later, the oil light started flashing. Why? Because the
engine was signaling me that it was due for the twenty hour service...even
though it had 80 hours on it. The light failed to flash at the 100 hour
mark for service...but started flashing at the 120 hour mark.

There is a second recall on my boat for the ECM. After the replacement, my
ECM will tell the technician that I have 0 hours on my engine.

Obviously, it is quite possible that the onboard computer tells you nothing
when you buy a new outboard.