Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
my friend rob smith has put up a new website. a noted aussie amateur
outdoor/nature photographer, he is starting to get really serious
about his - hobby - .

take a look at his boat pictures from the golden lure tournament run
out of port macquarie, new south wales.

http://www.predatek.com/wowfactorpix/index.htm

rob is also a partner in predatek, an aussie lure manufacturer.

http://www.predatek.com/

there are some great actions shots in the wowfactorpix site on day 1.

later,

tom


Port Macquarie has a reputation & in bad weather well deserved, however
that shot is not on a "rough day", the breakers behind are the local
surf beach & give some indication of swell height & that's not a big
surf for that part of the coast, mostly wind driven surface slop.

The entrance has rock walls extending out with movable leads which are
regularly checked. So long as he stays on the leads there would be
plenty of water underneath & the rest is just what happens when you have
big HP & an outflowing tide:-)

K

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

my friend rob smith has put up a new website. a noted aussie amateur
outdoor/nature photographer, he is starting to get really serious
about his - hobby - .

take a look at his boat pictures from the golden lure tournament run
out of port macquarie, new south wales.

http://www.predatek.com/wowfactorpix/index.htm

rob is also a partner in predatek, an aussie lure manufacturer.

http://www.predatek.com/

there are some great actions shots in the wowfactorpix site on day 1.

later,

tom



Port Macquarie has a reputation & in bad weather well deserved,
however that shot is not on a "rough day", the breakers behind are the
local surf beach & give some indication of swell height & that's not a
big surf for that part of the coast, mostly wind driven surface slop.

The entrance has rock walls extending out with movable leads which are
regularly checked. So long as he stays on the leads there would be
plenty of water underneath & the rest is just what happens when you
have big HP & an outflowing tide:-)

K



Rock walls with movable leads? What might those be, in English, please?

You really aren't a boater are you Krause:-)?? I never know if you
really want to know or you're just being you taking the ****. So if this
is genuine then you're cover is blown yet again:-)

Krause even novices need to know about leads, leading lights, range
towers etc or they would quickly get run over in a busy place like gee I
don't know ........ lets say The Chesapeake Bay?? People who actually
boat need to know where the ships' channel is so they can fish or do
what they do knowing exactly where the shipping will be traveling. Gee a
real fisherman might even know the fish hang around range markers???

http://www.baygateways.net/baylighthouses.cfm?id=7
http://www.baygateways.net/baylighthouses.cfm?id=8
http://www.baygateways.net/lighthousestoday.cfm
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries...eake91102.html



Rock walls = 2 rock training walls one either side of the river mouth
extending out seaward. I assume yours have the same problems ours do in
that the sand on the usual neighbouring beach soon builds up along the
outside of the rock walls till it can get around the ends & start to
build a sand bar (barrier) across the seaward entrance between the rock
walls.

The aggregate river flow & tidal movement usually means that despite
there being a sand bar with shallow water across the entrance, flow on
ebb tides scours a deeper but often narrow channel through the bar.

As you can see the area is open to the long ocean swells so at low tide
or even an ebb tide in onshore weather, waves regularly break
dangerously on the bar except where the channel is, because the water is
usually deep enough. Even if waves do break as slop in the channel
itself, a boat with enough power can get through that zone reasonably
safely.

Most entrances to anywhere harbours etc have "leads" of some type, every
single harbour I can think of does. They come in all sorts of shapes &
sizes but here we favour the international code which are two
equilateral triangles, the forward (lower) one is upright(sitting on
it's base) & the rearward (upper) one is higher & inverted. As you
approach the entrance the leads are clearly visible (they're lit at
night) & you adjust your course till the two triangle points are
vertically aligned, when they are you are entering the place in the
recommended channel.

Some entrances (Cheasapeake??) have a series of leads as you change
course etc. The good thing about leads is the course the boat is being
steered doesn't matter, it can be getting swept beam on in a strong
tidal flow but when steering to a set of leads all you care about is
keeping the 2 triangles aligned. It's curious to be entering a tricky
place with the bow of the boat seeming to be taking you straight up on
the bricks while you look out the side window concentrating on keeping
the leads in line.

OK so most leads are fixed often the rearward one is a full blown
lighthouse, however at places like Port Macquarie where the sand bar
moves all the time they need to be able to move at least one of the
leads so when they're aligned they actually take you through the best,
deepest prevailing channel.

At Pt Macquarie the forward lead is mounted on a trolley with a set of
rail tracks along the southern wall (the photo is looking south & the
boat is just outside the walls where the bar & photo opp waves would
be). Whoever is in charge of marine matters at that port regularly
checks where the deepest channel through the bar is & moves the forward
lead till the alignment brings entering & leaving boats along that channel.

K

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:13:14 +1100, "K. Smith" wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

my friend rob smith has put up a new website. a noted aussie amateur
outdoor/nature photographer, he is starting to get really serious
about his - hobby - .

take a look at his boat pictures from the golden lure tournament run
out of port macquarie, new south wales.

http://www.predatek.com/wowfactorpix/index.htm

rob is also a partner in predatek, an aussie lure manufacturer.

http://www.predatek.com/

there are some great actions shots in the wowfactorpix site on day 1.

later,

tom



Port Macquarie has a reputation & in bad weather well deserved,
however that shot is not on a "rough day", the breakers behind are the
local surf beach & give some indication of swell height & that's not a
big surf for that part of the coast, mostly wind driven surface slop.

The entrance has rock walls extending out with movable leads which are
regularly checked. So long as he stays on the leads there would be
plenty of water underneath & the rest is just what happens when you
have big HP & an outflowing tide:-)

K



Rock walls with movable leads? What might those be, in English, please?

You really aren't a boater are you Krause:-)?? I never know if you
really want to know or you're just being you taking the ****. So if this
is genuine then you're cover is blown yet again:-)

Krause even novices need to know about leads, leading lights, range
towers etc or they would quickly get run over in a busy place like gee I
don't know ........ lets say The Chesapeake Bay?? People who actually
boat need to know where the ships' channel is so they can fish or do
what they do knowing exactly where the shipping will be traveling. Gee a
real fisherman might even know the fish hang around range markers???

http://www.baygateways.net/baylighthouses.cfm?id=7
http://www.baygateways.net/baylighthouses.cfm?id=8
http://www.baygateways.net/lighthousestoday.cfm
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries...eake91102.html



Rock walls = 2 rock training walls one either side of the river mouth
extending out seaward. I assume yours have the same problems ours do in
that the sand on the usual neighbouring beach soon builds up along the
outside of the rock walls till it can get around the ends & start to
build a sand bar (barrier) across the seaward entrance between the rock
walls.

The aggregate river flow & tidal movement usually means that despite
there being a sand bar with shallow water across the entrance, flow on
ebb tides scours a deeper but often narrow channel through the bar.

As you can see the area is open to the long ocean swells so at low tide
or even an ebb tide in onshore weather, waves regularly break
dangerously on the bar except where the channel is, because the water is
usually deep enough. Even if waves do break as slop in the channel
itself, a boat with enough power can get through that zone reasonably
safely.

Most entrances to anywhere harbours etc have "leads" of some type, every
single harbour I can think of does. They come in all sorts of shapes &
sizes but here we favour the international code which are two
equilateral triangles, the forward (lower) one is upright(sitting on
it's base) & the rearward (upper) one is higher & inverted. As you
approach the entrance the leads are clearly visible (they're lit at
night) & you adjust your course till the two triangle points are
vertically aligned, when they are you are entering the place in the
recommended channel.

Some entrances (Cheasapeake??) have a series of leads as you change
course etc. The good thing about leads is the course the boat is being
steered doesn't matter, it can be getting swept beam on in a strong
tidal flow but when steering to a set of leads all you care about is
keeping the 2 triangles aligned. It's curious to be entering a tricky
place with the bow of the boat seeming to be taking you straight up on
the bricks while you look out the side window concentrating on keeping
the leads in line.

OK so most leads are fixed often the rearward one is a full blown
lighthouse, however at places like Port Macquarie where the sand bar
moves all the time they need to be able to move at least one of the
leads so when they're aligned they actually take you through the best,
deepest prevailing channel.

At Pt Macquarie the forward lead is mounted on a trolley with a set of
rail tracks along the southern wall (the photo is looking south & the
boat is just outside the walls where the bar & photo opp waves would
be). Whoever is in charge of marine matters at that port regularly
checks where the deepest channel through the bar is & moves the forward
lead till the alignment brings entering & leaving boats along that channel.

K

Nice explanation, even if a little acerbic at the start!
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:13:14 +1100, "K. Smith" wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:

K. Smith wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:


my friend rob smith has put up a new website. a noted aussie amateur
outdoor/nature photographer, he is starting to get really serious
about his - hobby - .

take a look at his boat pictures from the golden lure tournament run
out of port macquarie, new south wales.

http://www.predatek.com/wowfactorpix/index.htm

rob is also a partner in predatek, an aussie lure manufacturer.

http://www.predatek.com/

there are some great actions shots in the wowfactorpix site on day 1.

later,

tom



Port Macquarie has a reputation & in bad weather well deserved,
however that shot is not on a "rough day", the breakers behind are the
local surf beach & give some indication of swell height & that's not a
big surf for that part of the coast, mostly wind driven surface slop.

The entrance has rock walls extending out with movable leads which are
regularly checked. So long as he stays on the leads there would be
plenty of water underneath & the rest is just what happens when you
have big HP & an outflowing tide:-)

K



Rock walls with movable leads? What might those be, in English, please?

You really aren't a boater are you Krause:-)?? I never know if you
really want to know or you're just being you taking the ****. So if this
is genuine then you're cover is blown yet again:-)

Krause even novices need to know about leads, leading lights, range
towers etc or they would quickly get run over in a busy place like gee I
don't know ........ lets say The Chesapeake Bay?? People who actually
boat need to know where the ships' channel is so they can fish or do
what they do knowing exactly where the shipping will be traveling. Gee a
real fisherman might even know the fish hang around range markers???

http://www.baygateways.net/baylighthouses.cfm?id=7
http://www.baygateways.net/baylighthouses.cfm?id=8
http://www.baygateways.net/lighthousestoday.cfm
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries...eake91102.html



Rock walls = 2 rock training walls one either side of the river mouth
extending out seaward. I assume yours have the same problems ours do in
that the sand on the usual neighbouring beach soon builds up along the
outside of the rock walls till it can get around the ends & start to
build a sand bar (barrier) across the seaward entrance between the rock
walls.

The aggregate river flow & tidal movement usually means that despite
there being a sand bar with shallow water across the entrance, flow on
ebb tides scours a deeper but often narrow channel through the bar.

As you can see the area is open to the long ocean swells so at low tide
or even an ebb tide in onshore weather, waves regularly break
dangerously on the bar except where the channel is, because the water is
usually deep enough. Even if waves do break as slop in the channel
itself, a boat with enough power can get through that zone reasonably
safely.

Most entrances to anywhere harbours etc have "leads" of some type, every
single harbour I can think of does. They come in all sorts of shapes &
sizes but here we favour the international code which are two
equilateral triangles, the forward (lower) one is upright(sitting on
it's base) & the rearward (upper) one is higher & inverted. As you
approach the entrance the leads are clearly visible (they're lit at
night) & you adjust your course till the two triangle points are
vertically aligned, when they are you are entering the place in the
recommended channel.

Some entrances (Cheasapeake??) have a series of leads as you change
course etc. The good thing about leads is the course the boat is being
steered doesn't matter, it can be getting swept beam on in a strong
tidal flow but when steering to a set of leads all you care about is
keeping the 2 triangles aligned. It's curious to be entering a tricky
place with the bow of the boat seeming to be taking you straight up on
the bricks while you look out the side window concentrating on keeping
the leads in line.

OK so most leads are fixed often the rearward one is a full blown
lighthouse, however at places like Port Macquarie where the sand bar
moves all the time they need to be able to move at least one of the
leads so when they're aligned they actually take you through the best,
deepest prevailing channel.

At Pt Macquarie the forward lead is mounted on a trolley with a set of
rail tracks along the southern wall (the photo is looking south & the
boat is just outside the walls where the bar & photo opp waves would
be). Whoever is in charge of marine matters at that port regularly
checks where the deepest channel through the bar is & moves the forward
lead till the alignment brings entering & leaving boats along that channel.

K


Nice explanation, even if a little acerbic at the start!
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

Thanks John to think that non boating idiot couldn't even know what I
meant about leads & the fact that very many are "movable" indeed here
they're so common as to not need an explanation:-)

As for his Britishism complaint:-) well there ya go it's called English
something Webster & Co decided to expunge for probably the same silly
reasons you're about the only big leading country still on imperial
measurements, the Krauses are so illiterate they can't even have a go:-)

Your corps have moved on despite the unions:-) most US stuff now is
still coded as imperial but a quick clocking up will reveal it's
actually metric (the fastenings in new GM engines are also)

K