"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:39:01 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



we have a phillips 42" plasma which we bought right before i had my
arm operated on. to tell the truth, i dont know how its hooked up,
but i think its hooked up correctly - it right out of the rg6 from the
hd box/converter/thingie.

ill check into it though - thanks for the tip.

I think I know what your problem is, and if I am correct, you are *not*
seeing HD.

Your RG6 cable (with signal from the cable company) should connect to the
cable *in* on the cable co HD box. The cable box should be connected to the
TV with either a HDMI cable or a three wire, phono plug component video
connection to one of the component video inputs on the Phillips. There
should be *NO* RG6 cable connection to the TV and no cable connection to
the "Cable out" on the cable box.

Also - what kind of cable box did the cable company give you? Some have a
little display that identifies what mode it is in. With HD programming it
should say, "HD" 1080i.

Check your connections please. I fully expect a "Holy ****" post later
today.

Eisboch

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 06:48:19 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:38:54 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
. ..
But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I
agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend
the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not
that important to me and my wife is quite content.

So was Mrs.E and me until my big-mouthed son turned us onto the HD thing.
Can't go back now.
i cant tell the difference.
That is because you are old and blind, with a broken wing.

old is a state of mind. broken wing is dead on. my corrected
eyesight is 20/20 in both eyes.
Tom,
I have to agree with Richard, when I have seen true HD, all I could say
was "Holy ****", that is nice.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************

Q. What's the difference between a brown-noser and a ****-head?
A. Depth perception.
************************************************** *************

For those considering the move to HD, I'd like to offer some lessons I've
learned going through this process.

1. Don't believe the salesperson, they are as confused about this as
eveyone else.

2. Be careful in the selection process for the HD set. Most of the rows of
HD monitors
you see at Sears, Circuit City, Sam's Club or whatever are *NOT*
displaying
programing in HD. Most are connected to a central cable input via a
distribution amp.
The clue is to look at the rear video connection. If it is a RG6 cable,
connected to the
threaded antenna or cable in connection, you ain't watching HD. Some
stores have
dedicated HD service. Ask if they do and to what sets it is connected.

3. Some manufacturers, Samsung, Phillips and others, have a "built-in" HD
tuner and are
advertised as not needing a cable company box. True, but it only works
for "off the air"
reception - meaning you need an old fashioned antenna and ABC, NBC or
CBS needs to
be broadcasting in HD mode. The built-in tuner will not decode a cable
company
service feed. You have to use a cable box for this.

4. I had two salespeople trying to convince me that an "ED" set was really
an "HD" set.
It's not, although the quantum leap in performance is going from analog
to digital with
ED. ED can display HD programing with very near HD quality, but it
still isn't HD.

5. If you are using a cable service provider, be prepared to spend an hour
or two on the
phone getting your service set up correctly. I've done this three times
now and each
HD box had to be remotely programed or "zapped" by the cable company in
order for
it to properly display HD programming. Also, some TVs accept a "cable
card" in lieu of
a cable "box". Our cable company offers the cable card however with it
you cannot
access the interactive services such as program guides or pay for view
options. For
these services you need the "box".

6. If you, like Tom, can't see the difference, you are either legally blind
or you are not
seeing true HD. Check out your system setup.

Eisboch (hopes this is helpful)

Reggie Smithers wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:38:54 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
. ..


But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to.
I agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want
to spend the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable
service....it is not that important to me and my wife is quite content.

So was Mrs.E and me until my big-mouthed son turned us onto the HD
thing.
Can't go back now.


i cant tell the difference.

That is because you are old and blind, with a broken wing.


Looks like you're taking a lickin' in the early rounds Tom.
Better call up those US Marine survivor skills.

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:26:10 GMT, Don White wrote:


JimH wrote:

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JimH wrote:


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JimH wrote:


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Advantage: DLP

--
Skipper

I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise
you speak of.
For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week,
not a day.
I am watching more of the Discovery channel and an occasional sports
event (or non-event in the case of the Patriots).

I spend more time watching and listening to music videos, and that's
only once or twice a week. BTW - for the new guitar hobbyists in the
NG - highly recommend the Eric Clapton "Crossroads" guitar festival
DVD (Reprise records). Two disk set, featuring some of the finest
contemporary guitarists including Clapton to B.B. King, Carlos Santana
and a sober Joe Walsh among many others. For those with good sound
systems, the audio options include 2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1 and
DTS (recommended).

Eisboch


For me.........some local and cable news, some PBS programs like NOVA,
some shows on A&E, the History Channel or Discovery as well as some old
Seinfeld or Everybody Loves Raymond episodes. Perhaps 12 hours/week.
My wife OTOH is hooked on TV and always has been. And we both watch
DVD's, perhaps one or two per week.

We have 10 TV's in our house, all connected to cable:

Basement: My wife's office, the TV/sitting room, the game room area
(soon to add another at the treadmill).
Main Floor: Family room, kitchen, my office.
2nd Floor: All 4 bedrooms

I think this discussion/thread has talked me out of considering a
plasma HD set. While there is no way we are going to buy new HD for
all these rooms. I may consider replacing the 32" RCA TV we have in the
family room (now 14 years old but still working fine) in the near
future, most likely with a 36" HD CRT set. ;-)

Wouldn't wait too long on that 36" CRT set. According to Consumers, most
manufacturers are dropping the big tube models. You may be restricted
to 32" max in the near future.

OK. Thanks!

I bought my SONY HD at Circuit City. It wasn't on sale. At the point of
sale, I asked the salesman "is that the best you can do on price?" He
knocked $250 off the price.

It doesn't hurt to ask.


Indeed.

But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree
that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the
bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not that
important to me and my wife is quite content.



Tried Sears tonight...they don't have the CRT HD model I want.
Went back to the Sony store and kept the salesman dancing.
They had my model on display, but I balked at the extra $400.00 for the
matching stand. Then he tried to convince me we'd be just as happy with
the 26" Bravia LCD model. The wife balked....no way she wanted to go
smaller. Best deal he could give me on the 32" Bravia LCD model was
$2600.00 which included the extended warranty. I got cold feet
then...and we ended back at the CRT model for $ 1200.00.
Figure we can get a stand somewhere cheaper and better (for housing
cable box, DVD player, Home Theater receiver).
He's got my number & will call when units arrive.
In the meantime I have to suffer with a 20" set.


So which model did you get? I got the stand with mine, and I'm glad I did.
It has shelves for the accessories and 'fits' the footprint of the TV so it
will slide back into a corner pretty well. Maybe he'd deal on the stand a
little.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

Haven't bought a set yet. I may look around to see if Costco, The
Brick, Future Shop or one of the other 'big box' stores in our retail
industrial park have my model.
If not I can always 'order' the set I want by putting 20% down upfront.
The other option is to wait a few weeks when stock should be back up to
pre Christmas levels.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

If I have friends over and switch the channel from the regular NBC to High
Def NBC, they are invariable amazed at the difference, especially during a
sporting event.

If you can't tell the difference in a comparison like this, then you *do*
have an eyeball problem. Does everything appear a little fuzzy and soft
around the edges?


not at all. although i wonder....

hmmmm....

im going to experiment with something today - youve given me an idea.


My salesman was raving about the difference the 'monster' cable makes.
here it costs $125.00
The Sony wide screen 30" CRT HDTV I was checking out has the 1080i
resolution.

Harry Krause wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:46:43 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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i am convinced that the only difference between hd and regular analoug
tv with a digital cable is brightness - every hd screen ive seen is
much brighter which lends itself to crisper colors, but in dark scenes
in a movie or tv show, they are exactly the same - the definition
doesnt matter.

i watched the lord of the rings trilogy on the hd tv in the living
room and when my arm was operated on, watched it in the wreck room -
my office - there really wasnt much difference.

WAIT a minute. It just hit me. You said you watched the Lord of the
Rings Trilogy on a HD set and (I assume) a regular set in your wreck
room and couldn't detect much of a difference.

Your source material was a DVD , correct? No wonder! DVD is not
HD. It's in a 480i or 480p format. You were not watching HD.


ok - good point.



*Some* DVD players "upgrade" the signal into an HD set, though, and look
better than you'd expect.

Yes. Same salesman wanted to sell me a $200 DVD player he says is one
step down from the true $ 6K HD DVD players. Keeps telling me I'd be
amazed by the difference.

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:51:36 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:07:17 -0500, JohnH wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:56:53 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 20:23:55 -0500, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:38:54 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
news:bsOdnTjZ6dhA4kzenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcas t.com...


But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I
agree that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to
spend
the bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not
that important to me and my wife is quite content.


So was Mrs.E and me until my big-mouthed son turned us onto the HD thing.
Can't go back now.

i cant tell the difference.

If so............you need to see your optometrist.

i can introduce you to at least ten to twelve people who can't tell
the difference.

i think its all bs myself.

If I have friends over and switch the channel from the regular NBC to High
Def NBC, they are invariable amazed at the difference, especially during a
sporting event.

If you can't tell the difference in a comparison like this, then you *do*
have an eyeball problem. Does everything appear a little fuzzy and soft
around the edges?

not at all. although i wonder....

hmmmm....

im going to experiment with something today - youve given me an idea.

Like Eisboch, I'll be looking forward to a 'holy ****' post later today.
Did you get a digital box from the cable company so you can receive HD?
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:06:57 GMT, Don White wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:26:10 GMT, Don White wrote:


JimH wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Skipper" wrote in message
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Advantage: DLP

--
Skipper

I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise
you speak of.
For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week,
not a day.
I am watching more of the Discovery channel and an occasional sports
event (or non-event in the case of the Patriots).

I spend more time watching and listening to music videos, and that's
only once or twice a week. BTW - for the new guitar hobbyists in the
NG - highly recommend the Eric Clapton "Crossroads" guitar festival
DVD (Reprise records). Two disk set, featuring some of the finest
contemporary guitarists including Clapton to B.B. King, Carlos Santana
and a sober Joe Walsh among many others. For those with good sound
systems, the audio options include 2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1 and
DTS (recommended).

Eisboch


For me.........some local and cable news, some PBS programs like NOVA,
some shows on A&E, the History Channel or Discovery as well as some old
Seinfeld or Everybody Loves Raymond episodes. Perhaps 12 hours/week.
My wife OTOH is hooked on TV and always has been. And we both watch
DVD's, perhaps one or two per week.

We have 10 TV's in our house, all connected to cable:

Basement: My wife's office, the TV/sitting room, the game room area
(soon to add another at the treadmill).
Main Floor: Family room, kitchen, my office.
2nd Floor: All 4 bedrooms

I think this discussion/thread has talked me out of considering a
plasma HD set. While there is no way we are going to buy new HD for
all these rooms. I may consider replacing the 32" RCA TV we have in the
family room (now 14 years old but still working fine) in the near
future, most likely with a 36" HD CRT set. ;-)

Wouldn't wait too long on that 36" CRT set. According to Consumers, most
manufacturers are dropping the big tube models. You may be restricted
to 32" max in the near future.

OK. Thanks!

I bought my SONY HD at Circuit City. It wasn't on sale. At the point of
sale, I asked the salesman "is that the best you can do on price?" He
knocked $250 off the price.

It doesn't hurt to ask.


Indeed.

But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree
that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the
bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not that
important to me and my wife is quite content.



Tried Sears tonight...they don't have the CRT HD model I want.
Went back to the Sony store and kept the salesman dancing.
They had my model on display, but I balked at the extra $400.00 for the
matching stand. Then he tried to convince me we'd be just as happy with
the 26" Bravia LCD model. The wife balked....no way she wanted to go
smaller. Best deal he could give me on the 32" Bravia LCD model was
$2600.00 which included the extended warranty. I got cold feet
then...and we ended back at the CRT model for $ 1200.00.
Figure we can get a stand somewhere cheaper and better (for housing
cable box, DVD player, Home Theater receiver).
He's got my number & will call when units arrive.
In the meantime I have to suffer with a 20" set.


So which model did you get? I got the stand with mine, and I'm glad I did.
It has shelves for the accessories and 'fits' the footprint of the TV so it
will slide back into a corner pretty well. Maybe he'd deal on the stand a
little.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

Haven't bought a set yet. I may look around to see if Costco, The
Brick, Future Shop or one of the other 'big box' stores in our retail
industrial park have my model.
If not I can always 'order' the set I want by putting 20% down upfront.
The other option is to wait a few weeks when stock should be back up to
pre Christmas levels.

Sorry, I meant which model Sony did you settle on?
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:06:57 GMT, Don White wrote:


JohnH wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:26:10 GMT, Don White wrote:



JimH wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:



"Don White" wrote in message
...



JimH wrote:



"Eisboch" wrote in message
...




"Skipper" wrote in message
...




Advantage: DLP

--
Skipper

I think viewing habits must be considered as part of the compromise
you speak of.
For me, I doubt I watch the HD plasma set more than 6 hours a week,
not a day.
I am watching more of the Discovery channel and an occasional sports
event (or non-event in the case of the Patriots).

I spend more time watching and listening to music videos, and that's
only once or twice a week. BTW - for the new guitar hobbyists in the
NG - highly recommend the Eric Clapton "Crossroads" guitar festival
DVD (Reprise records). Two disk set, featuring some of the finest
contemporary guitarists including Clapton to B.B. King, Carlos Santana
and a sober Joe Walsh among many others. For those with good sound
systems, the audio options include 2 channel, Dolby Digital 5.1 and
DTS (recommended).

Eisboch


For me.........some local and cable news, some PBS programs like NOVA,
some shows on A&E, the History Channel or Discovery as well as some old
Seinfeld or Everybody Loves Raymond episodes. Perhaps 12 hours/week.
My wife OTOH is hooked on TV and always has been. And we both watch
DVD's, perhaps one or two per week.

We have 10 TV's in our house, all connected to cable:

Basement: My wife's office, the TV/sitting room, the game room area
(soon to add another at the treadmill).
Main Floor: Family room, kitchen, my office.
2nd Floor: All 4 bedrooms

I think this discussion/thread has talked me out of considering a
plasma HD set. While there is no way we are going to buy new HD for
all these rooms. I may consider replacing the 32" RCA TV we have in the
family room (now 14 years old but still working fine) in the near
future, most likely with a 36" HD CRT set. ;-)

Wouldn't wait too long on that 36" CRT set. According to Consumers, most
manufacturers are dropping the big tube models. You may be restricted
to 32" max in the near future.

OK. Thanks!

I bought my SONY HD at Circuit City. It wasn't on sale. At the point of
sale, I asked the salesman "is that the best you can do on price?" He
knocked $250 off the price.

It doesn't hurt to ask.


Indeed.

But...........I do not intend to purchase a HD set until I have to. I agree
that the digital HD picture is spectacular but I don't want to spend the
bucks right now to upgrade both my TV and cable service....it is not that
important to me and my wife is quite content.



Tried Sears tonight...they don't have the CRT HD model I want.
Went back to the Sony store and kept the salesman dancing.
They had my model on display, but I balked at the extra $400.00 for the
matching stand. Then he tried to convince me we'd be just as happy with
the 26" Bravia LCD model. The wife balked....no way she wanted to go
smaller. Best deal he could give me on the 32" Bravia LCD model was
$2600.00 which included the extended warranty. I got cold feet
then...and we ended back at the CRT model for $ 1200.00.
Figure we can get a stand somewhere cheaper and better (for housing
cable box, DVD player, Home Theater receiver).
He's got my number & will call when units arrive.
In the meantime I have to suffer with a 20" set.


So which model did you get? I got the stand with mine, and I'm glad I did.
It has shelves for the accessories and 'fits' the footprint of the TV so it
will slide back into a corner pretty well. Maybe he'd deal on the stand a
little.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

Haven't bought a set yet. I may look around to see if Costco, The
Brick, Future Shop or one of the other 'big box' stores in our retail
industrial park have my model.
If not I can always 'order' the set I want by putting 20% down upfront.
The other option is to wait a few weeks when stock should be back up to
pre Christmas levels.


Sorry, I meant which model Sony did you settle on?
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

Pretty well settled on this one.
http://tinyurl.com/5coya