"RG" wrote in message news:vxSAf.1129$MJ.572@fed1read07...

Now that I am thinking about it, it wasn't "Kodachrome" that I was so
impressed with. I think Kodachrome was pretty much the standard film, in
different ASAs, wasn't it?
The film I was thinking about was "Ektachrome". It seemed to be much
more vibrant, colorwise. I still have boxes of slides that I took, back
when I was trying this stuff. One still cracks me up - I was laying
prone on the ground taking a close up shot of a couple of geese when one
of them lowered it's head and charged me. I couldn't get out of the way
fast enough and all you see in the slide is a giant beak about to devour
the camera.


Kodachrome = prints (negatives)
Ektachrome = transparencies (slides)

Kodachrome favored the reds and yellows and Ektachrome favored the greens
and blues.

KodaCOLOR = Prints
KodaCHROME = transparencies

"Bishoop" wrote in message
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Kodachrome = prints (negatives)
Ektachrome = transparencies (slides)

Kodachrome favored the reds and yellows and Ektachrome favored the greens
and blues.

KodaCOLOR = Prints
KodaCHROME = transparencies


Thanks. Now it's all coming back.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news

"Bishoop" wrote in message
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Kodachrome = prints (negatives)
Ektachrome = transparencies (slides)

Kodachrome favored the reds and yellows and Ektachrome favored the
greens and blues.

KodaCOLOR = Prints
KodaCHROME = transparencies


Thanks. Now it's all coming back.


Yeah, me too. Jeez, it's been a while.

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:47:16 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:29:16 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:09:03 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:32:19 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:35:09 GMT, Fred Dehl
wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in
:

There are
reasons why the best shots are still taken with kodachrome or fujichrome
for magazine use.
Kodachrome and Fujichrome are very different beasts. Fuji films use the
E-6 process (E for Ektachrome). Kodachrome uses K-14. Here's a brief
description of K-14:

The key to the Kodachrome's archival stability is that the color dyes
(unlike Ektachrome and other E-6 Process films) are not placed in the film
emulsion during manufacturing. Kodachrome is basically a black-and-white
film with three light sensitive layers, each of which is "filtered" to
record magenta, cyan, or yellow "light". During film processing, the
correct color dyes are introduced into the respective layers to produce
the full-color positive image. This is a much more complicated operation
(the original K-11 Process required 28 different steps) than processing
color films in which color dyes are already within each of the emulsion
layers. But, the Kodachrome approach provides far greater color stability.

E-6 can be processed in a half-hour, but K-14 slides are said to have a
life expectancy of 200 years. Plus, nothing - let me repeat: NOTHING -
compares to a KM (Kodachrome 25) image.
its only a matter of time before km gets the boot like other films.
with some of the new light sensors and newer/faster memory cards, plus
the onboard memory improvements it won't be long before film is
totally and irrevocably fini.

i dont know this for a fact, but one of my best friends is a rather
high end photographer who does fashion and hes plugged into the whole
digital thing with nikon. hes told me a couple of times that nikon is
working on something that will make film cameras totally and
completely, and finally, obsolete.
Pssst. It's a secret. Tell no one. Nikon's already done it.









It's called the D200. With this beautiful lens:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/70200vr.htm

And the 28-70mm of course.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******
Except for the fact that it has the same damned sensor-lens problem as
the D70.
What problem are you having, Harry?
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

It doesn't have a full-frame CMOS sensor. If it did, I would have bought
one last week.

You really need that, huh? Personally, I don't consider it a problem.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******



I wouldn't spend the money on a replacement for my D70 without it.

has someone suggested you do that?
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:25:52 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:04:45 +0100, Martin Schöön
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:32:19 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
snip
i dont know this for a fact, but one of my best friends is a rather
high end photographer who does fashion and hes plugged into the whole
digital thing with nikon. hes told me a couple of times that nikon is
working on something that will make film cameras totally and
completely, and finally, obsolete.

Even on a shooting mission in the middle of Greenland or the forests
of Belize?

even there...

How?
I can't really fathom how a digital camera can keep working with
flat batteries. OK, I know about miniature fuel cells and microsized
gas turbines but nothing that offers you months of useful power.

/Martin

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:08:53 +0000, Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:52:01 +0100, Martin Schöön
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:25:52 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:04:45 +0100, Martin Schöön
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:32:19 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
snip
i dont know this for a fact, but one of my best friends is a rather
high end photographer who does fashion and hes plugged into the whole
digital thing with nikon. hes told me a couple of times that nikon is
working on something that will make film cameras totally and
completely, and finally, obsolete.

Even on a shooting mission in the middle of Greenland or the forests
of Belize?

even there...

How?
I can't really fathom how a digital camera can keep working with
flat batteries. OK, I know about miniature fuel cells and microsized
gas turbines but nothing that offers you months of useful power.

/Martin

Solar? Wind? Large external battery packs? Generator?

What about reading about that guy that walked through the thickest
jungles of Africa? His story was published a year or two ago
in National Geographic's magazine. I don't remember the name
of the guy but look for something called "Megatransec" or some
such. It is clear from the pictures that there isn't much light
and no wind at the forest floor and hauling extra large
batteries or a generator... well, you try it first.

ways. It's also a lot easier to carry an entire darkroom
with you where ever you go.

Why do you have to do that? I bring my rolls of film home
for development.

/Martin

Calif Bill wrote:
Konica - Minolta quitting camera business.
http://www.theregister.com/2006/01/1...ts_camera_biz/

Nikon is changing,too. Sam
As a result of the new strategy Nikon will discontinue production of
all lenses for large format cameras and enlarging lenses with sales of
these products ceasing as soon as they run out of stock. This also
applies to most of our film camera bodies, interchangeable manual focus
lenses and related accessories. Although Nikon anticipates that the
products will still be in retail distribution up to Summer 2006.

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:28:05 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:52:01 +0100, Martin Schöön
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:25:52 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:04:45 +0100, Martin Schöön
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:32:19 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
snip
i dont know this for a fact, but one of my best friends is a rather
high end photographer who does fashion and hes plugged into the whole
digital thing with nikon. hes told me a couple of times that nikon is
working on something that will make film cameras totally and
completely, and finally, obsolete.

Even on a shooting mission in the middle of Greenland or the forests
of Belize?

even there...

How?
I can't really fathom how a digital camera can keep working with
flat batteries. OK, I know about miniature fuel cells and microsized
gas turbines but nothing that offers you months of useful power.

dunno. all i know is what he said when we were chatting about
cameras.

he could be full of it for all i know, but i doubt it.

Belt mounted rechargeable battery packs have been around for a long time.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:18:33 +0000, Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:29:54 +0100, Martin Schöön
wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:08:53 +0000, Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:52:01 +0100, Martin Schöön
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:25:52 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:04:45 +0100, Martin Schöön
wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:32:19 +0000, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
snip
i dont know this for a fact, but one of my best friends is a rather
high end photographer who does fashion and hes plugged into the whole
digital thing with nikon. hes told me a couple of times that nikon is
working on something that will make film cameras totally and
completely, and finally, obsolete.

Even on a shooting mission in the middle of Greenland or the forests
of Belize?

even there...

How?
I can't really fathom how a digital camera can keep working with
flat batteries. OK, I know about miniature fuel cells and microsized
gas turbines but nothing that offers you months of useful power.

/Martin

Solar? Wind? Large external battery packs? Generator?

What about reading about that guy that walked through the thickest
jungles of Africa? His story was published a year or two ago
in National Geographic's magazine. I don't remember the name
of the guy but look for something called "Megatransec" or some
such. It is clear from the pictures that there isn't much light
and no wind at the forest floor and hauling extra large
batteries or a generator... well, you try it first.

ways. It's also a lot easier to carry an entire darkroom
with you where ever you go.

Why do you have to do that? I bring my rolls of film home
for development.

/Martin

So, Nikon should run their company based on one person's
extremely bizarre circumstances and needs?

No, but then I didn't make any such claim, or did I?

I have news for you. Film is rapidly headed for extinction.

Possible but that was not really what we were discussing.
Right?
Well, I didn't anyway.

There will always be
some places where it is an advantage,

It seems I got through to you at last.

but that is overwhelmed by all the
disadvantages compared to digital. I still have my Linhof 4x5, and I can
still get film for it. That doesn't change the fact that it is a
dinosaur.

My laptop has a better darkroom than your house, and it's portable. When
you get home and develop your film from the wilds of the darkest jungles
and they have problems you will have a long trip back to take more
shots. You will also spend a LOT more money and time for no advantage in
the final product.

Well, after all it seems I didn't get through to you. In very
simple English: There are place where any type of electrical equipment,
including digital cameras, are useless as soon as the batteries
are flat. People that go to those places are not much of a gadget
buying market so their needs will not be catered for by anyone who
is in it for the money.

You really haven't thought this through very well.

It is clear from your reaction that your problem is that I
actually did.

/Martin

Well, after all it seems I didn't get through to you. In very
simple English: There are place where any type of electrical equipment,
including digital cameras, are useless as soon as the batteries
are flat. People that go to those places are not much of a gadget
buying market so their needs will not be catered for by anyone who
is in it for the money.


Geez, most modern film cameras rely on batteries for metering, flash, film
advance/rewind, focus and God knows what else. Perhaps people who go to the
places you are referring to should learn to draw really, really well and
take lots of pencils with them. Of course there was a time that such
adventures were chronicled in exactly this way. I'm thinking there must be
solutions these days that would allow for the recharging of relatively
modest batteries in remote locations. A very small inverter hooked up to
one of the safari vehicles comes immediately to mind. I'm sure there must
be other solutions as well. Personally, I'd be most concerned as to how to
keep the beer cold, which presents a far greater challenge than recharging
some small capacity batteries.