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Runabouts: How do the brands rank.
Bryan wrote:
Sea Ray Larson Regal Glastron Four Winns Ebbtide Rinker Stingray Bayliner Chuck, I climbed around on a Chapparal when I was trying to find a less expensive boat and it had a cheap feel to it. I don't know nothin' 'bout buildin' no boats, but I didn't like it because of it's aesthetics and it's feel on the lot. The Crownline and Cobalt were nice, but out of my boating price range. Why do you include the Chapparal? And let's not forget the insightful thoughts from Tom Fournier: The Bayliner bashing is a form of entertainment by a minority of rec.boats subscribers. There have been rebuttals by respected members of the industry only to be flamed by people who choose to remain ignorant. Bayliner is mentioned in this newsgroup probably 20-1 vs. other brands so the flamers are actually indirectly promoting the product. Many Bayliner owners have thoughtfully responded with facts regarding their boats so people who may not have considered buying a Bayliner may actually reconsider after having read real life testimonials. FACT: Bayliners retain a higher percentage of their purchase price than do most other brands who compete in their size/price range. FACT: Bayliner offers a high value for the money when compared to competing brands. FACT: Bayliner is backed by U.S. Marine, the largest and most profitable of the over 4000 US boat manufacturers. FACT: Bayliners are not overbuilt but are purpose built and should not be confused with boats that offer higher quality lamination schedules, vinyls, hardware, trim, gauges etc. at higher prices. FACT: Bayliners are not the best built boats but do offer many thousands of people the ability to afford to enjoy one of our greatest past times. Tom Fournier ABOS Marine Blue Book Editor -- Skipper |
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:04:34 -0600, Skipper wrote:
FACT: Bayliners retain a higher percentage of their purchase price than do most other brands who compete in their size/price range. Frankly I don't believe that, unless we are talking about some really narrow age range like less than 2 years old. FACT: Bayliner offers a high value for the money when compared to competing brands. That's a matter of perception, and understanding what you are NOT getting. FACT: Bayliner is backed by U.S. Marine, the largest and most profitable of the over 4000 US boat manufacturers. Possibly true but so what? FACT: Bayliners are not overbuilt but are purpose built and should not be confused with boats that offer higher quality lamination schedules, vinyls, hardware, trim, gauges etc. at higher prices. And that is an understatement. FACT: Bayliners are not the best built boats but do offer many thousands of people the ability to afford to enjoy one of our greatest past times. Unquestionably true. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
FACT: Bayliners retain a higher percentage of their purchase price than do most other brands who compete in their size/price range. FACT: Bayliner offers a high value for the money when compared to competing brands. FACT: Bayliner is backed by U.S. Marine, the largest and most profitable of the over 4000 US boat manufacturers. FACT: Bayliners are not overbuilt but are purpose built and should not be confused with boats that offer higher quality lamination schedules, vinyls, hardware, trim, gauges etc. at higher prices. FACT: Bayliners are not the best built boats but do offer many thousands of people the ability to afford to enjoy one of our greatest past times. Tom Fournier ABOS Marine Blue Book Editor Oh, NOT *this* crap again, Snipper. It was b.s. when you first posted it, and it was b.s. the next 100 times you posted it. Actually, the Marine Blue Book was the *original* pricing guide used by marine professionals. It is generally accepted to reflect the most accurate boat values of all the guides. It remains the most respected and is sold *only* to those in the business...and the pros pay a hefty annual fee for the advice. Tom's insight is hardly "crap". Would you like a current evaluation for a used Parker or fab lobsterboat? If so, I'll need the years of manufacture, power and equipment lists, and model numbers. Photos will not be required as the Bluebook gives four (4) condition values. -- Skipper |
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Runabouts: How do the brands rank.
Bryan wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Nute wrote: Sorry for the double post - My fault. Now I know that everyone will have their personal bias, and I don't want to start another flame war here, but I'd wonder if there is some loose consensus on what the pecking order is quality-wise of boat brands. I'm new to looking at boats, and just got back from the boat show. I was pretty overwhelmed by everything I saw there, and would like to get some opinions on how the following rank, with regard to quality and price: Sea Ray Larson Regal Glastron Four Winns Ebbtide Rinker Stingray Bayliner The order I listed them is about what my impression is at this time. I have been trying to find a benchmark boat on all of their websites to use to compare prices, but can't seem to find a common config that lets me compare apples to apples. Thanks Nute You're missing the 3 C's: Cobalt, Crownline, and Chapparal. These boats probably belong at or near the top of your list, depending upon what's important to you. Personally have never heard of an Ebbtide. Chuck, I climbed around on a Chapparal when I was trying to find a less expensive boat and it had a cheap feel to it. I don't know nothin' 'bout buildin' no boats, but I didn't like it because of it's aesthetics and it's feel on the lot. The Crownline and Cobalt were nice, but out of my boating price range. Why do you include the Chapparal? One thing to consider is looking around at the used market for the higher end Boats. I picked up a very nice and clean 2000 Crownline 225 last fall for less then half the msrp of a new one. Currently selling a 210 cuddy Crownline that I don't think I will have any trouble unloading. I have one interested party that is going to look it over even though he said he really wnats a bowrider - Because of the respect of the nameplate. Happy hunting - looking is one of the funnest parts of buying. :-) Capt Jack R.. |
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Runabouts: How do the brands rank.
Bryan wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Nute wrote: Sorry for the double post - My fault. Now I know that everyone will have their personal bias, and I don't want to start another flame war here, but I'd wonder if there is some loose consensus on what the pecking order is quality-wise of boat brands. I'm new to looking at boats, and just got back from the boat show. I was pretty overwhelmed by everything I saw there, and would like to get some opinions on how the following rank, with regard to quality and price: Sea Ray Larson Regal Glastron Four Winns Ebbtide Rinker Stingray Bayliner The order I listed them is about what my impression is at this time. I have been trying to find a benchmark boat on all of their websites to use to compare prices, but can't seem to find a common config that lets me compare apples to apples. Thanks Nute You're missing the 3 C's: Cobalt, Crownline, and Chapparal. These boats probably belong at or near the top of your list, depending upon what's important to you. Personally have never heard of an Ebbtide. Chuck, I climbed around on a Chapparal when I was trying to find a less expensive boat and it had a cheap feel to it. I don't know nothin' 'bout buildin' no boats, but I didn't like it because of it's aesthetics and it's feel on the lot. The Crownline and Cobalt were nice, but out of my boating price range. Why do you include the Chapparal? Chapparal is highly regarded by some folks I know who are pretty savvy about smaller boats. Based entirely on their recommendations I would personally put that brand on any short list, but I would also be prepared to take it off the list if it didn't measure up to my personal standards. My personally favorite runabout size boat among brands I could discuss at some length is probably Crownline, with Cobalt, Larson, and Sea Ray scoring very highly as well. There are, (IMO) no boats in this class that so obviously blow all other good boats away that they are *must* buys- so personal taste and preferances as well as convenience of a dealership for service, etc etc etc often become the elements around which a final decision is formed. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Bryan wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Nute wrote: Sorry for the double post - My fault. Now I know that everyone will have their personal bias, and I don't want to start another flame war here, but I'd wonder if there is some loose consensus on what the pecking order is quality-wise of boat brands. I'm new to looking at boats, and just got back from the boat show. I was pretty overwhelmed by everything I saw there, and would like to get some opinions on how the following rank, with regard to quality and price: Sea Ray Larson Regal Glastron Four Winns Ebbtide Rinker Stingray Bayliner The order I listed them is about what my impression is at this time. I have been trying to find a benchmark boat on all of their websites to use to compare prices, but can't seem to find a common config that lets me compare apples to apples. Thanks Nute You're missing the 3 C's: Cobalt, Crownline, and Chapparal. These boats probably belong at or near the top of your list, depending upon what's important to you. Personally have never heard of an Ebbtide. Chuck, I climbed around on a Chapparal when I was trying to find a less expensive boat and it had a cheap feel to it. I don't know nothin' 'bout buildin' no boats, but I didn't like it because of it's aesthetics and it's feel on the lot. The Crownline and Cobalt were nice, but out of my boating price range. Why do you include the Chapparal? Chapparal is highly regarded by some folks I know who are pretty savvy about smaller boats. Based entirely on their recommendations I would personally put that brand on any short list, but I would also be prepared to take it off the list if it didn't measure up to my personal standards. My personally favorite runabout size boat among brands I could discuss at some length is probably Crownline, with Cobalt, Larson, and Sea Ray scoring very highly as well. There are, (IMO) no boats in this class that so obviously blow all other good boats away that they are *must* buys- so personal taste and preferances as well as convenience of a dealership for service, etc etc etc often become the elements around which a final decision is formed. Thanks, Chuck. I had already looked at the Sea Ray, but was trying to find a less expensive first unused boat; so I checked out other boats including the Chapparal. Looking at it confirmed my Sea Ray choice. Looking at MasterCraft, Crownline, etc. convinced me my Sea Ray wasn't that expensive. Real happy with my choice, except for two things: now I want a shorter winter and a bigger boat for overnighting. |
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Reggie Smithers wrote: wrote: Bryan wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Nute wrote: Sorry for the double post - My fault. Now I know that everyone will have their personal bias, and I don't want to start another flame war here, but I'd wonder if there is some loose consensus on what the pecking order is quality-wise of boat brands. I'm new to looking at boats, and just got back from the boat show. I was pretty overwhelmed by everything I saw there, and would like to get some opinions on how the following rank, with regard to quality and price: Sea Ray Larson Regal Glastron Four Winns Ebbtide Rinker Stingray Bayliner The order I listed them is about what my impression is at this time. I have been trying to find a benchmark boat on all of their websites to use to compare prices, but can't seem to find a common config that lets me compare apples to apples. Thanks Nute You're missing the 3 C's: Cobalt, Crownline, and Chapparal. These boats probably belong at or near the top of your list, depending upon what's important to you. Personally have never heard of an Ebbtide. Chuck, I climbed around on a Chapparal when I was trying to find a less expensive boat and it had a cheap feel to it. I don't know nothin' 'bout buildin' no boats, but I didn't like it because of it's aesthetics and it's feel on the lot. The Crownline and Cobalt were nice, but out of my boating price range. Why do you include the Chapparal? Chapparal is highly regarded by some folks I know who are pretty savvy about smaller boats. Based entirely on their recommendations I would personally put that brand on any short list, but I would also be prepared to take it off the list if it didn't measure up to my personal standards. My personally favorite runabout size boat among brands I could discuss at some length is probably Crownline, with Cobalt, Larson, and Sea Ray scoring very highly as well. There are, (IMO) no boats in this class that so obviously blow all other good boats away that they are *must* buys- so personal taste and preferances as well as convenience of a dealership for service, etc etc etc often become the elements around which a final decision is formed. Chuck, Crownline makes a very good boat, but I can't believe you would place it above a Cobalt. Are you using a cost/value analysis, or do you believe a Crownline is a superior boat to Cobalt. I think Chapparrel makes a good boat also, but when I was checking them out (5 or 6 years ago), I saw some fit and finish problems on numerous new boats. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* Crownline is my personal favorite, which doesn't automatically make it the world's best boat. Once you get down to a group of very well made boats, a lot of the preferances become subjective. I would absolutely respect an opinion than Cobalt is a "better" boat than a Crownline, precisely because there will always be a number of subjective factors influencing the final conclusions. I might think that filet mignon is better than lobster. You would be free to disagree. :-) Chuck, but few people would think a Buick is a better car than a BMW. ; ) -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* |
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wrote in message oups.com... Reggie Smithers wrote: wrote: Bryan wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Nute wrote: Sorry for the double post - My fault. Now I know that everyone will have their personal bias, and I don't want to start another flame war here, but I'd wonder if there is some loose consensus on what the pecking order is quality-wise of boat brands. I'm new to looking at boats, and just got back from the boat show. I was pretty overwhelmed by everything I saw there, and would like to get some opinions on how the following rank, with regard to quality and price: Sea Ray Larson Regal Glastron Four Winns Ebbtide Rinker Stingray Bayliner The order I listed them is about what my impression is at this time. I have been trying to find a benchmark boat on all of their websites to use to compare prices, but can't seem to find a common config that lets me compare apples to apples. Thanks Nute You're missing the 3 C's: Cobalt, Crownline, and Chapparal. These boats probably belong at or near the top of your list, depending upon what's important to you. Personally have never heard of an Ebbtide. Chuck, I climbed around on a Chapparal when I was trying to find a less expensive boat and it had a cheap feel to it. I don't know nothin' 'bout buildin' no boats, but I didn't like it because of it's aesthetics and it's feel on the lot. The Crownline and Cobalt were nice, but out of my boating price range. Why do you include the Chapparal? Chapparal is highly regarded by some folks I know who are pretty savvy about smaller boats. Based entirely on their recommendations I would personally put that brand on any short list, but I would also be prepared to take it off the list if it didn't measure up to my personal standards. My personally favorite runabout size boat among brands I could discuss at some length is probably Crownline, with Cobalt, Larson, and Sea Ray scoring very highly as well. There are, (IMO) no boats in this class that so obviously blow all other good boats away that they are *must* buys- so personal taste and preferances as well as convenience of a dealership for service, etc etc etc often become the elements around which a final decision is formed. Chuck, Crownline makes a very good boat, but I can't believe you would place it above a Cobalt. Are you using a cost/value analysis, or do you believe a Crownline is a superior boat to Cobalt. I think Chapparrel makes a good boat also, but when I was checking them out (5 or 6 years ago), I saw some fit and finish problems on numerous new boats. -- Reggie ************************************************** ************* That's my story and I am sticking to it. ************************************************** ************* Crownline is my personal favorite, which doesn't automatically make it the world's best boat. Once you get down to a group of very well made boats, a lot of the preferances become subjective. I would absolutely respect an opinion than Cobalt is a "better" boat than a Crownline, precisely because there will always be a number of subjective factors influencing the final conclusions. I might think that filet mignon is better than lobster. You would be free to disagree. :-) One without the other is good, but together, fan taz teak! |
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