"Skipper" wrote in message
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Perhaps the time has come to convert rec.boats to a moderated NG.....

Shut the **** up, you stupid little Nazi piece of ****. Better yet, fax me a
copy of your airline ticket to Rochester NY. If I know when you're arriving,
I'll arrange for you to be the next Houdini and vanish mysteriously.

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:37:19 -0600, Skipper wrote:

This NG has is going through challenging times. Where once it was the
predominant boating NG populated by many industry experts, it has now
become little more than an off-topic chatroom. Most of truly
knowledgeable have long since abandoned this forum for saner climes.
Where once the very best advice could be found here, now serious
questions will most likely be greeted with flame.

Perhaps the time has come to convert rec.boats to a moderated NG and
restore its previous image. Yes, I know it would be a daunting task. To
win, the proposal must have 100 more YES votes than NO votes and
two/thirds of the votes must be YES. We could announce the proposal in
*all* the boating groups.

The moderation could be set up to recognize white contributors and black
contributors. Thus automating 95% of the moderation tasks. New
contributors could be hand moderated until they've posted two or three
times. Moderators could be voted on by the group, and a committee would
have to agree before a contributor was blacklisted (we don't need a
BoaterEd). Open on-topic debate WOULD be encouraged.

Should you be interested in seeing this forum as a moderated NG respond
in this thread. If there is enough support we'll just grab hold of the
tiger's tail and run with it.

Sounds like you need about 167 votes and 101 of those, with rounding, must
by yes votes. I don't think it stands a prayer.

About three weeks ago we were moderating ourselves very well. That has
gradually gone to crap, with a few personal attack folks and a few
political threads that quickly became personal attack threads.

Once you subtract those who desire the freedom to be as uncivil as
possible, you don't have close to 100 people left. I think you're wasting
your time.

My advice, start moderating your own posts, as many others have done. I
wish everyone would do the same.
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'Til next time,

John H

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RCE wrote:

It is my understanding that in Usenet it is customary to vote on a change to
the group's charter to accomplish things like going from unmoderated to
moderated. Rec.boats has no official charter (that I know of) to vote for a
change of.

Rec.boats was established without a charter. An original charter is not
required to change the moderation status of rec.boats, only the needed
votes after a great deal of ground work.

--
Skipper

JohnH wrote:

Sounds like you need about 167 votes and 101 of those, with rounding, must
by yes votes. I don't think it stands a prayer.

And I think you're right, but it was worth the post to discover if it
was resurrectable.

About three weeks ago we were moderating ourselves very well. That has
gradually gone to crap, with a few personal attack folks and a few
political threads that quickly became personal attack threads.

Considering the quality of the remaining NG 'contributors', I had little
doubt the initiative would fail.

My advice, start moderating your own posts, as many others have done. I
wish everyone would do the same.

That is an ineffective approach, IMO. We'll see if there is enough
support by responses to this thread. It could well be that's what's left
here is not worth it...when in Rome...

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Skipper

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
RCE wrote:

It is my understanding that in Usenet it is customary to vote on a change
to
the group's charter to accomplish things like going from unmoderated to
moderated. Rec.boats has no official charter (that I know of) to vote
for a
change of.

Rec.boats was established without a charter. An original charter is not
required to change the moderation status of rec.boats, only the needed
votes after a great deal of ground work.

--
Skipper

I disagree. First, you would have to write a charter, as is. Then you
would have to call for votes to modify it. Won't happen in our lifetimes.

RCE

Skipper wrote:
This NG has is going through challenging times. Where once it was the
predominant boating NG populated by many industry experts, it has now
become little more than an off-topic chatroom. Most of truly
knowledgeable have long since abandoned this forum for saner climes.
Where once the very best advice could be found here, now serious
questions will most likely be greeted with flame.

Perhaps the time has come to convert rec.boats to a moderated NG and
restore its previous image. Yes, I know it would be a daunting task. To
win, the proposal must have 100 more YES votes than NO votes and
two/thirds of the votes must be YES. We could announce the proposal in
*all* the boating groups.

The moderation could be set up to recognize white contributors and black
contributors. Thus automating 95% of the moderation tasks. New
contributors could be hand moderated until they've posted two or three
times. Moderators could be voted on by the group, and a committee would
have to agree before a contributor was blacklisted (we don't need a
BoaterEd). Open on-topic debate WOULD be encouraged.

Should you be interested in seeing this forum as a moderated NG respond
in this thread. If there is enough support we'll just grab hold of the
tiger's tail and run with it.

--
Skipper


"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Moderate thyself Skippy!

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
This NG has is going through challenging times. Where once it was the
predominant boating NG populated by many industry experts, it has now
become little more than an off-topic chatroom. Most of truly
knowledgeable have long since abandoned this forum for saner climes.
Where once the very best advice could be found here, now serious
questions will most likely be greeted with flame.

Should you be interested in seeing this forum as a moderated NG respond
in this thread. If there is enough support we'll just grab hold of the
tiger's tail and run with it.

--
Skipper

I don't recognize any serious boating questions being met with flames; only
with serious and knowledgeable answers.

The recent call to civility, in my opinion, has brought this groups content
to a much higher and more civil level.

I enjoy the non-boating topics that fill the space between boating topics.
As was said in another group, it's the filler that keeps the boating guru's
around while they wait for a boating question to address. I don't enjoy the
flaming and political and religious bs, but as I said, that is greatly
improved since the recent call to civility. I don't see a need for a
moderated group.

Bryan

Skipper wrote:
This NG has is going through challenging times. Where once it was the
predominant boating NG populated by many industry experts, it has now
become little more than an off-topic chatroom. Most of truly
knowledgeable have long since abandoned this forum for saner climes.
Where once the very best advice could be found here, now serious
questions will most likely be greeted with flame.

Perhaps the time has come to convert rec.boats to a moderated NG and
restore its previous image. Yes, I know it would be a daunting task. To
win, the proposal must have 100 more YES votes than NO votes and
two/thirds of the votes must be YES. We could announce the proposal in
*all* the boating groups.

The moderation could be set up to recognize white contributors and black
contributors. Thus automating 95% of the moderation tasks. New
contributors could be hand moderated until they've posted two or three
times. Moderators could be voted on by the group, and a committee would
have to agree before a contributor was blacklisted (we don't need a
BoaterEd). Open on-topic debate WOULD be encouraged.

Should you be interested in seeing this forum as a moderated NG respond
in this thread. If there is enough support we'll just grab hold of the
tiger's tail and run with it.

--
Skipper


You've only got 35-40 people in this NG, at most, who would vote at
all. You don't have a prayer of getting 2/3 "yes", as well as a margin
of 100 votes.

If you seriously want to improve the NG, the only realistic path to
follow is to do the few things you *can* do. Post civilly. Try to stay
on topic. Don't get sucked in by the flame throwers. Don't be a flame
thrower. Try to discourage flame throwing.

Rather than pass "rules" or install a censor (aka moderator), it's
better to set an example.
Encourage on topic and civil posts with thoughtful and on topic
replies, and discourage
flame fests and OT "chats".

Most important of all may be *ignoring* the trolls who insist on
stirring up trouble here.


As soon we let the fact that "Poster X Started it!" (and I couldn't
bear to see him acting like an asshole unless I got to act like an
asshole too).....dictate our behavior here then we have surrendered our
rights of self determination. Nobody can cause you to act like a jerk
except yourself.

Skipper wrote:
This NG has is going through challenging times. Where once it was the
predominant boating NG populated by many industry experts, it has now
become little more than an off-topic chatroom. Most of truly
knowledgeable have long since abandoned this forum for saner climes.
Where once the very best advice could be found here, now serious
questions will most likely be greeted with flame.

Perhaps the time has come to convert rec.boats to a moderated NG and
restore its previous image. Yes, I know it would be a daunting task. To
win, the proposal must have 100 more YES votes than NO votes and
two/thirds of the votes must be YES. We could announce the proposal in
*all* the boating groups.

The moderation could be set up to recognize white contributors and black
contributors. Thus automating 95% of the moderation tasks. New
contributors could be hand moderated until they've posted two or three
times. Moderators could be voted on by the group, and a committee would
have to agree before a contributor was blacklisted (we don't need a
BoaterEd). Open on-topic debate WOULD be encouraged.

Should you be interested in seeing this forum as a moderated NG respond
in this thread. If there is enough support we'll just grab hold of the
tiger's tail and run with it.

--
Skipper
Skipper,
It will be a lot of work, but I think you can do it.

--
Reggie
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Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Skipper wrote:
This NG has is going through challenging times. Where once it was the
predominant boating NG populated by many industry experts, it has now
become little more than an off-topic chatroom. Most of truly
knowledgeable have long since abandoned this forum for saner climes.
Where once the very best advice could be found here, now serious
questions will most likely be greeted with flame.

Perhaps the time has come to convert rec.boats to a moderated NG and
restore its previous image. Yes, I know it would be a daunting task. To
win, the proposal must have 100 more YES votes than NO votes and
two/thirds of the votes must be YES. We could announce the proposal in
*all* the boating groups.

The moderation could be set up to recognize white contributors and black
contributors. Thus automating 95% of the moderation tasks. New
contributors could be hand moderated until they've posted two or three
times. Moderators could be voted on by the group, and a committee would
have to agree before a contributor was blacklisted (we don't need a
BoaterEd). Open on-topic debate WOULD be encouraged.

Should you be interested in seeing this forum as a moderated NG respond
in this thread. If there is enough support we'll just grab hold of the
tiger's tail and run with it.
--
Skipper
Skipper,
It will be a lot of work, but I think you can do it.



Are you encouraging Skipper or just playing him?
I personally think it is impossible to get the group moderated, and
believe that very few people in the group, including Skipper, want the
group moderated.

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Reggie
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That's my story and I am sticking to it.

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