wrote:

If I can read between the lines, you agree with Karen that Ficht did
have problems that went beyond the norm. You also have a concern that
ETec is to too new to determine if they have actually corrected the problem.




I dont think anybody would dispute that FICHT had problems that went
beyond the norm ...

I would also agree to the theory that a 2 stroke DFI is more
complicated as the average 4 stroke motor as the DFI motor has to go
out of its way to meet emission standards and is emplyoing technolgies
that have not been tested and perfected ovet the last 80 years (like
the 4 strokes). Therefore will have a higher kaboom risk.

I by the way have not heard of kaboomed 4 strokes as much as kaboomed
2DFI's.


Matt


Matt,
Do you work in the boating industry?

--
Reggie
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That's my story and I am sticking to it.

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Matt,
Do you work in the boating industry?

No. Should I?

wrote:
Matt,
Do you work in the boating industry?

No. Should I?

No, I was just wondering if you are basing your info on a large database
based on personal info.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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Del Cecchi wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
K. Smith wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"

wrote:


Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a
boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.
dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention
that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out
of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and
power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.
The verado might cost a little more but it will be reliable &
still be "available" off into the future, meaning your boat will
still be worth something.

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed
as E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct
injection.

Don't be hoodwinked into anything remotely associated with Ficht
there are literally thousands upon thousands of people who will
confirm the technology is a failure. Even if a particular engine
hasn't failed (yet:-)) 100% of boats suffer to reduction in resale
becasue of the risky engine.

K
Karen,
Via Goggle, I looked for any articles or E-Tec problems. I could
not find any. While there might be problems with E-Tec down the
road, no E-Tec engine will suffer a reduction in resale.

Do you have any proof via boat resale prices, that E-Tec will
devalue in resale or are you basing that on the Ficht's being
discontinued?


Ms. Smith is a well-known troll. Why are you feeding her?

(You know, the same questions you ask when I slamdunk Snipper for
his anti-Semitism.)

:}
Harry,
Karen does a great job of creating some very lively on topic debates,
which should always be encouraged, even if we disagree.
Karen believes what she says. My question is a polite way of seeing
if her beliefs are based on anything factual or just a gut feel. If
her belief is based upon a gut feel, those newbies who do not know of
Karen's long term hard on for Ficht, can decide if her opinion is
more valuable than those who own E-Tec.

Let me just remind you all that stories about Ficht being unreliable
and so forth were pretty hard to come by while they were being
manufactured. Any stories were dismissed as "isolated" although in
retrospect there were some items on a couple of sites catering to
dealers etc that by reading between the lines could be construed as
hints.

The whole incident reminds me of certain cars that got good reviews
when introduced only to get the "what a piece of crap, it was never
any good" after they were gone. Vega comes to mind. Popular Science
with article on the wonderful new aluminum block with anodized bore,
and what an advance it was. Or go back to the Caddy 4/6/8 and read
the original articles.

Same with Ficht.

How many etecs have been sold?

How many folks that post to this group have one?


del
Del,
If I can read between the lines, you agree with Karen that Ficht did
have problems that went beyond the norm. You also have a concern that
ETec is to too new to determine if they have actually corrected the
problem.

--
Reggie
Well, OMC did go bankrupt and there were discussions at the time as to
whether it was due to warantee expense. And there were some statements
from executives. Would you say, from today's vantage point, that Ficht
had problems beyond the norm? And if it did, would you want to risk 15k
bucks on a related technology from the same folks?

Mercury seems to be investing a lot of money on 4 strokes, as are Yamaha
and Suzuki. OMC/Bombardier on the other hand seems to be putting all
their money on e-tec two strokes. Someone isn't right. I guess I will
keep filling my carb'd merc with gas for a few more years.

del

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
Matt,
Do you work in the boating industry?

No. Should I?

No, I was just wondering if you are basing your info on a large
database based on personal info.

--
Reggie

Any large database of failure data for outboards seems more secret than
CIA activities. Where is NY Times when it comes to something important?

del

No, I was just wondering if you are basing your info on a large database
based on personal info.

Well ... that 3Star 2DFI motors are somewhat more complicated to design
as the average 4 stroke seems to me common sense ...

That I havent heard of many kaboomed 4 strokes is personal info ...
anybody who wants to shower that with data either way is welcome to do
so

Matt