Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.


Any help is appreciated.

Tom,

Who now is offering new boats rigged with ETECs?

I'm still happy with my 99 115 FICHT but am kinda sorta almost in the market
for an 18 foot or so boat for 99% inshore 1% offshore fishing with two to
three companions.

Butch
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"
wrote:

Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.

dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.

they are totally different motors with different characteristics ... it
depends on the boat they should go on ...

I would stay away from the verados until they have proven themselves
.... the supercharger is just another psart that can break down

matt

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"
wrote:


Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.


dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.

The verado might cost a little more but it will be reliable & still be
"available" off into the future, meaning your boat will still be worth
something.

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed as
E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct injection.

Don't be hoodwinked into anything remotely associated with Ficht there
are literally thousands upon thousands of people who will confirm the
technology is a failure. Even if a particular engine hasn't failed
(yet:-)) 100% of boats suffer to reduction in resale becasue of the
risky engine.

K

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:26:38 GMT, "Butch Davis"
wrote:

Tom,

Who now is offering new boats rigged with ETECs?

in fishing boats, ranger, stratos, seaswirl, i think triton can be
purchased with a etec - other than that i honestly dont know. i
believe you can purchase a bare boat and have it rigged for etecs like
i did with the contender.

I'm still happy with my 99 115 FICHT but am kinda sorta almost in the market
for an 18 foot or so boat for 99% inshore 1% offshore fishing with two to
three companions.

ive decided not to sell my ranger unless somebody offers me exactly
what i want for it so i will be replacing the 200 ficht with about 600
hours on it for a 225 etec in another month.

the one engine i wont buy is a verado. ive heard more horror stories
from some pretty reliable sources about superharger problems, the
whole fly by wire deal and fuel economy (or extreme lack of) that its
down right scary.

i could settle for an optimax if i was forced into it although im not
a merc fan after they screwed me on that trolling motor warranty.
Tom,
Why are you replacing a engine with 600 hrs on it?

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

K. Smith wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"
wrote:


Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.


dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.

The verado might cost a little more but it will be reliable & still be
"available" off into the future, meaning your boat will still be worth
something.

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed as
E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct injection.

Don't be hoodwinked into anything remotely associated with Ficht there
are literally thousands upon thousands of people who will confirm the
technology is a failure. Even if a particular engine hasn't failed
(yet:-)) 100% of boats suffer to reduction in resale becasue of the
risky engine.

K
Karen,
Via Goggle, I looked for any articles or E-Tec problems. I could not
find any. While there might be problems with E-Tec down the road, no
E-Tec engine will suffer a reduction in resale.

Do you have any proof via boat resale prices, that E-Tec will devalue in
resale or are you basing that on the Ficht's being discontinued?

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
K. Smith wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"
wrote:


Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.

dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.
The verado might cost a little more but it will be reliable & still
be "available" off into the future, meaning your boat will still be
worth something.

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed as
E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct injection.

Don't be hoodwinked into anything remotely associated with Ficht
there are literally thousands upon thousands of people who will
confirm the technology is a failure. Even if a particular engine
hasn't failed (yet:-)) 100% of boats suffer to reduction in resale
becasue of the risky engine.

K
Karen,
Via Goggle, I looked for any articles or E-Tec problems. I could not
find any. While there might be problems with E-Tec down the road, no
E-Tec engine will suffer a reduction in resale.

Do you have any proof via boat resale prices, that E-Tec will devalue
in resale or are you basing that on the Ficht's being discontinued?



Ms. Smith is a well-known troll. Why are you feeding her?

(You know, the same questions you ask when I slamdunk Snipper for his
anti-Semitism.)

:}
Harry,
Karen does a great job of creating some very lively on topic debates,
which should always be encouraged, even if we disagree.
Karen believes what she says. My question is a polite way of seeing if
her beliefs are based on anything factual or just a gut feel. If her
belief is based upon a gut feel, those newbies who do not know of
Karen's long term hard on for Ficht, can decide if her opinion is more
valuable than those who own E-Tec.


--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
K. Smith wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006 05:24:34 -0800, "Oscar"
wrote:


Anybody hava an opinion on these two engines. I may be making a
boat
purchase soon and have an option on these two models.

Any help is appreciated.
dont get the verado - heavy and its a fuel pig. not to mention that
the supercharging is a joke - optimax engines beat the snot out of
verados in side-by-side tests for speed, hole shots, etc.

optimax is reasonably better in fuel efficiency, weight and power.

buy a boat with etecs - lighter, faster, more efficient.
The verado might cost a little more but it will be reliable & still
be "available" off into the future, meaning your boat will still be
worth something.

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed
as E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct injection.

Don't be hoodwinked into anything remotely associated with Ficht
there are literally thousands upon thousands of people who will
confirm the technology is a failure. Even if a particular engine
hasn't failed (yet:-)) 100% of boats suffer to reduction in resale
becasue of the risky engine.

K
Karen,
Via Goggle, I looked for any articles or E-Tec problems. I could
not find any. While there might be problems with E-Tec down the
road, no E-Tec engine will suffer a reduction in resale.

Do you have any proof via boat resale prices, that E-Tec will
devalue in resale or are you basing that on the Ficht's being
discontinued?


Ms. Smith is a well-known troll. Why are you feeding her?

(You know, the same questions you ask when I slamdunk Snipper for his
anti-Semitism.)

:}
Harry,
Karen does a great job of creating some very lively on topic debates,
which should always be encouraged, even if we disagree.


Sorry, but I have an entirely different opinion of Ms. Smith. It is
interesting how tolerant you are of certain gross misbehavers here, eh?
Harry,
No, I don't find it interesting at all, my tolerance level does not
change based upon the person or the misbehavior. The only thing
different between you and me is the way I have chosen to handle it. I
would prefer to ignore the off topic trolls designed to catch a specific
species of fish. If I think someone is misinformed about an on topic
discussion, I am trying to keep the discussion factual and not personal.

You have been biting on every bait Skipper throws your way for years.
He throws the bait, and before it hits the water, you have it hook, line
and sinker. If Karen really is trolling, you bite on everyone of her
lures also when you make personal insults. You started by saying I am
feeding Karen by responding to her, if she really is trolling, she does
not want my kind of serious question, she wants your emotional response,
the same way Skipper loves when he get an emotional response from you.

You don't have to believe me, do a Goggle on Newsgroup Trolls, and see
what 100% of the experts say.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Thanks to those who responded that stayed on topic. Doesn't sound like
much of anybody was a merc fan. How about the Yamaha's? I've heard
enough about the ETEC's.

The Optimax engines were more reliable than the ficht now marketed as
E-tec, mainly because the Optimaxes are not true direct injection.


Why is that the case? the optimax injects directly into the cylinder ?
And why does it make it more reliable?

P.S.

one of my theories about ETec vs 4stroke vs optimax is that the Etec
seems to be using slightly (5-15%) gas. Which may be because of its
"nosed" piston which helps efficiency at low rpm but not at high rpm.

Lets not even go into the BRP claims it is more efficient .. which are
measured at idle speed and true... But also at that rpm and fuel use
even 50% more would be irrelelvant.



Matt