NOYB wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:26:57 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:42:29 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Breakthroughs on this and other new technologies will help us reach
another great goal: to replace more than 75 percent of our oil imports
from the Middle East by 2025.
I don't want to rain on your parade, but do you know how much of our
oil imports come from the middle east? Now if he had said 75% of all
our imports . . .

I don't believe the continuation of oil imported from Canada and Mexico
is particularly in jeopardy. But the Middle East is a powder keg.

Europe gets 30% of its oil from the Middle East, and Japan gets 2/3 of
its oil from there. If the Middle East falls into total chaos, and al
Qaeda gets control of the oil, the ripple effect felt here would be
horrendous.

There's not just a US oil market. There's a world oil market. And a
problem in one supply area affects prices everywhere.
I'm not denying that, but if memory serves, we get around 12% of our oil
from the middle east.

I believe it's 20%...but I'll have to check.

Cutting that my 75% is better that a sharp stick in
the eye, but it ain't going to change the oil situation by very much.


Sure it would. We consume 20,000,000 barrels per day.

20% of 20 million is 400,000 barrels/day. There are probably only two dozen
other countries that consume more than that in a day.



I also have my doubts about ethanol. Our agriculture sector is very oil
intensive, fertilizers, tractors, transport, etc. It's my limited
understanding that there isn't much of an oil savings by using ethanol.

I believe I heard that too.



The story I heard is it actually uses more fuel to use ethanol and their
is no evidence it reduces pollution. It is strictly a way to buy votes
in the Midwest states.

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In article ,
says...
With twin 150 gallon tanks, I already knew this. What sort of illusory
plan was floated in order to wean us from this nasty drug?

Just say no??


Our boat also has two 150 gallon tanks but with 1500+ mile
range, I don't feel we are "addicted."

I always hated the smell of diesel exhaust, still do. I might find a
reason to put up with it in the future.

Gasoline was $1.33 when we purchased our gas hog.

jps

"jps" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...
With twin 150 gallon tanks, I already knew this. What sort of illusory
plan was floated in order to wean us from this nasty drug?

Just say no??


Our boat also has two 150 gallon tanks but with 1500+ mile
range, I don't feel we are "addicted."

I always hated the smell of diesel exhaust, still do. I might find a
reason to put up with it in the future.

Gasoline was $1.33 when we purchased our gas hog.

jps

Few modern diesels stink much anymore while underway (unless there's
something wrong). I can smell mine when I first start them at the dock, but
once underway and they warm up nobody has ever noticed any smell, even with
a stiff following wind.

RCE

The best way to break this addiction is through technology. Since 2001,
we
have spent nearly $10 billion to develop cleaner, cheaper and more
reliable
alternative energy sources. And we are on the threshold of incredible
advances.

So tonight I announce the Advanced Energy Initiative -- a 22 percent
increase in clean-energy research at the Department of Energy to push for

breakthroughs in two vital areas. To change how we power our homes and
offices, we will invest more in zero-emission coal-fired plants;
revolutionary solar and wind technologies; and clean, safe nuclear
energy.

We must also change how we power our automobiles.

We will increase our research in better batteries for hybrid and electric

cars and in pollution-free cars that run on hydrogen.

We will also fund additional research in cutting-edge methods of
producing
ethanol, not just from corn but from wood chips and stalks or switch
grass.

Our goal is to make this new kind of ethanol practical and competitive
within six years.

Breakthroughs on this and other new technologies will help us reach
another
great goal: to replace more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the
Middle East by 2025.

By applying the talent and technology of America, this country can
dramatically improve our environment, move beyond a petroleum- based
economy
and make our dependence on Middle Eastern oil a thing of the past.




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Bush almost sounded like algore, eh?


Heard this same kinda rant 30 yrs. ago, after the last oil/energy crisis.
Nothing but a bunch of BS politics! It'll all go away if we just do
nothing long enough.... ;-b

NOYB wrote:

I don't believe the continuation of oil imported from Canada and Mexico is
particularly in jeopardy. But the Middle East is a powder keg.

Ah yes, back to the holy poop threads. Oh joy!

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Skipper