"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bryan wrote:
Harry,
I haven't been around long enough to know the history behind the
animosity between you (and others) and Skipper. I do not want to talk
about that!

What I do want to know is why the personal attack on his boat, a
bayliner, over and over. For example, "10-12 acres. Perfect size for
Skip and that Bayliner." From the tone of the post I pulled the quote
from, and others that I've read, I'm interpreting the bayliner comment
as a slur on the boat.

I understand that each of us has our boat and they're all different, but
each gets us into the water whether it's a small lake with a no wake
limit or the limitless ocean. So I'm wondering why the relentless attack
on the make or model of a boat.

If I've misinterpreted what I've been reading, just let me know,
otherwise I'm curious about the motivation for the repetitive attacks, or
slurs.

Bryan
Sea Ray 185 Sport


My comments have nothing to do with Bayliners, really, but everything to
to with Skipper's years of overblown claims for the "quality" of his
particular boat. It is true, however, that the older Bayliners were more
than a little deficient in the quality area, but the newer ones are better
than the older ones. From what I have seen, the newer Bayliners are just
about average now.

Plain and simple, Harry is an asshole, Chuck Gould is an arrogant SOB.

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Bryan wrote:

Harry,
I haven't been around long enough to know the history behind the
animosity between you (and others) and Skipper. I do not want to talk
about that!

What I do want to know is why the personal attack on his boat, a
bayliner, over and over. For example, "10-12 acres. Perfect size for
Skip and that Bayliner." From the tone of the post I pulled the quote
from, and others that I've read, I'm interpreting the bayliner comment
as a slur on the boat.

I understand that each of us has our boat and they're all different, but
each gets us into the water whether it's a small lake with a no wake
limit or the limitless ocean. So I'm wondering why the relentless attack
on the make or model of a boat.

If I've misinterpreted what I've been reading, just let me know,
otherwise I'm curious about the motivation for the repetitive attacks, or
slurs.

Bryan
Sea Ray 185 Sport


My comments have nothing to do with Bayliners, really, but everything to
to with Skipper's years of overblown claims for the "quality" of his
particular boat. It is true, however, that the older Bayliners were more
than a little deficient in the quality area, but the newer ones are better
than the older ones. From what I have seen, the newer Bayliners are just
about average now.


Plain and simple, Harry is an asshole, Chuck Gould is an arrogant SOB.


Netcop netcop!
Bert needs an attitude adjustment.

Bert Robbins wrote:

My comments have nothing to do with Bayliners, really, but everything to
to with Skipper's years of overblown claims for the "quality" of his
particular boat. It is true, however, that the older Bayliners were more
than a little deficient in the quality area, but the newer ones are better
than the older ones. From what I have seen, the newer Bayliners are just
about average now.

Plain and simple, Harry is an asshole, Chuck Gould is an arrogant SOB.

I was at first taken aback by your Chuck comment, but then I remembered
he never did apologize for his personal insults and lies that forced a
response. I also know you have an outstanding reputation for saying it
the way it is in this NG. But let's give Chuck a break and give him a
pass. He does contribute interesting articles...unlike Krause.

--
Skipper

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message

Nice explanation Chuck.

The problem is, as you state, the lingering feelings about Bayliner, which
may then have an effect on resale. For that reason some folks continue to
steer clear of them especially when considering new boats.

Reality vs. perception. Sounds like Bayliner has a problem another company
has.....Kaiser Permanente. As a health insurance broker, all I have to do
is say the name and I get an immediate reaction....love em or hate em.
Negative reputation was earned 15 years ago when they drew the bottom of the
barrell, physician-wise. Since then, they've turned it around, drawing
excellent physicians/specialists who want to practice medicine, not be
businessmen.

But their reputation haunts them.

A boat salesman made a comment about Bayliner and their workmanship. He
said, "If they are of such poor quality, why is there so many older ones
around, running just fine." Contrast that to the Vega or Pinto.

My two bits. I'd rather put my trust in a company that is trying hard vs. a
company that is resting on it's laurels. SeaRay comes to mind, in that
respect.

-Greg

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:55:43 -0800, "Dene" wrote:

But their reputation haunts them.

heh - same with ficht - poor slobs never fully recovered, the whole
product line was tainted by the failure of a specific groups of
engines and thus the rep.

unfortunate when that happens.

look how long it took chrysler to recover and they still cant get past
the whole dodge transmissions suck thing.

Chrysler recovered?

Chrysler was bailed out by the people of the US through the government.
Chrysler made crappy cars up until a couple of years ago. The German
overlords are working hard at pushing quality into the design and
manufacture of the Chrysler and Dodge lines. Chrysler's biggest problem was
hooking up with Mitsubishi in the '80's.

Harry Krause wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:55:43 -0800, "Dene" wrote:

But their reputation haunts them.


heh - same with ficht - poor slobs never fully recovered, the whole
product line was tainted by the failure of a specific groups of
engines and thus the rep.

unfortunate when that happens.

look how long it took chrysler to recover and they still cant get past
the whole dodge transmissions suck thing.


Chrysler recovered?

Wonder if Dodge transmissions are better now?
I've seen some great deals on Caravan mini-vans lately....roughly the
same price that I paid for my new 1995 Plymouth Voyager way back.
Knock on wood...my three speed auto has been very reliable over 125,000 km.

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bryan wrote:
Harry,
I haven't been around long enough to know the history behind the
animosity between you (and others) and Skipper. I do not want to talk
about that!

What I do want to know is why the personal attack on his boat, a
bayliner, over and over. For example, "10-12 acres. Perfect size for
Skip and that Bayliner." From the tone of the post I pulled the quote
from, and others that I've read, I'm interpreting the bayliner comment
as a slur on the boat.

I understand that each of us has our boat and they're all different, but
each gets us into the water whether it's a small lake with a no wake
limit or the limitless ocean. So I'm wondering why the relentless attack
on the make or model of a boat.

If I've misinterpreted what I've been reading, just let me know,
otherwise I'm curious about the motivation for the repetitive attacks, or
slurs.

Bryan
Sea Ray 185 Sport


My comments have nothing to do with Bayliners, really, but everything to
to with Skipper's years of overblown claims for the "quality" of his
particular boat. It is true, however, that the older Bayliners were more
than a little deficient in the quality area, but the newer ones are better
than the older ones. From what I have seen, the newer Bayliners are just
about average now.

Plain and simple, Harry is an asshole, Chuck Gould is an arrogant SOB.

Your inflammatory comments and use of bad language does nothing for
your integrity. May I suggest you take the tone of the rest of the
group?

wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bryan wrote:
Harry,
I haven't been around long enough to know the history behind the
animosity between you (and others) and Skipper. I do not want to talk
about that!

What I do want to know is why the personal attack on his boat, a
bayliner, over and over. For example, "10-12 acres. Perfect size for
Skip and that Bayliner." From the tone of the post I pulled the quote
from, and others that I've read, I'm interpreting the bayliner comment
as a slur on the boat.

I understand that each of us has our boat and they're all different, but
each gets us into the water whether it's a small lake with a no wake
limit or the limitless ocean. So I'm wondering why the relentless attack
on the make or model of a boat.

If I've misinterpreted what I've been reading, just let me know,
otherwise I'm curious about the motivation for the repetitive attacks, or
slurs.

Bryan
Sea Ray 185 Sport

My comments have nothing to do with Bayliners, really, but everything to
to with Skipper's years of overblown claims for the "quality" of his
particular boat. It is true, however, that the older Bayliners were more
than a little deficient in the quality area, but the newer ones are better
than the older ones. From what I have seen, the newer Bayliners are just
about average now.
Plain and simple, Harry is an asshole, Chuck Gould is an arrogant SOB.

Your inflammatory comments and use of bad language does nothing for
your integrity. May I suggest you take the tone of the rest of the
group?

Bassy,
I agree, most people have gone out of their way to keep the tone civil
and polite. Hopefully, this will continue and people will ignore the
inflammatory comments of others.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:55:43 -0800, "Dene" wrote:

But their reputation haunts them.

heh - same with ficht - poor slobs never fully recovered, the whole
product line was tainted by the failure of a specific groups of
engines and thus the rep.

unfortunate when that happens.

look how long it took chrysler to recover and they still cant get past
the whole dodge transmissions suck thing.

Chrysler recovered?

Wonder if Dodge transmissions are better now?
I've seen some great deals on Caravan mini-vans lately....roughly the
same price that I paid for my new 1995 Plymouth Voyager way back.
Knock on wood...my three speed auto has been very reliable over
125,000 km.


My wife really likes the PT Cruiser.
The PT Cruiser is a very nice looking car. It seems to be very popular
with teens and woman, sort of like the new VW Bug. When was the last
time you saw a man driving one of the New VW Bugs?



--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:55:43 -0800, "Dene" wrote:

But their reputation haunts them.

heh - same with ficht - poor slobs never fully recovered, the whole
product line was tainted by the failure of a specific groups of
engines and thus the rep.

unfortunate when that happens.

look how long it took chrysler to recover and they still cant get past
the whole dodge transmissions suck thing.

Chrysler recovered?

Wonder if Dodge transmissions are better now?
I've seen some great deals on Caravan mini-vans lately....roughly the
same price that I paid for my new 1995 Plymouth Voyager way back.
Knock on wood...my three speed auto has been very reliable over 125,000
km.


My wife really likes the PT Cruiser.
The PT Cruiser is a very nice looking car. It seems to be very popular
with teens and woman, sort of like the new VW Bug. When was the last time
you saw a man driving one of the New VW Bugs?

Unless he is less than 5'4" how would you fit in one ;-)




--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************