Wayne,

Do you have the cooktop and oven in your GB? Reason I ask:

Mrs.E is really getting carried away with the "refurbishment" of her boat.
It originally had the stainless, propane cooktop with an oven. The oven was
removed by the original owner to provide extra shelving plus he installed a
small microwave.

Now, Mrs.E wants to replace everything with new, meaning a new propane or
electric top plus possibly an oven. My opinion is that the oven is a waste
of space and would rarely, if ever be used. I also don't see anything wrong
with the existing, original stove top and think it may deter from the
originality of the boat by replacing it.

Opinions?

She's also replacing the fridge because "it's noisy". It is, but it works.

To her credit though, "Pangea" is looking good. All the brightwork is being
done over the winter. The exterior teak decks were done before winter
storage. And, it now sports a brandy-new full enclosure of the bridge.

I'll see if I can post a couple of pics over at ABPSO later on.

--

RCE

"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow
in Australia ." (Charles Schulz)

On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:18:19 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

Wayne,

Do you have the cooktop and oven in your GB? Reason I ask:

Mrs.E is really getting carried away with the "refurbishment" of her boat.
It originally had the stainless, propane cooktop with an oven. The oven was
removed by the original owner to provide extra shelving plus he installed a
small microwave.

Now, Mrs.E wants to replace everything with new, meaning a new propane or
electric top plus possibly an oven. My opinion is that the oven is a waste
of space and would rarely, if ever be used. I also don't see anything wrong
with the existing, original stove top and think it may deter from the
originality of the boat by replacing it.

Opinions?

She's also replacing the fridge because "it's noisy". It is, but it works.

To her credit though, "Pangea" is looking good. All the brightwork is being
done over the winter. The exterior teak decks were done before winter
storage. And, it now sports a brandy-new full enclosure of the bridge.

I'll see if I can post a couple of pics over at ABPSO later on.

Yes, please do that.

Our GB has the three burner electric Princess stove with oven. We
don't use the oven that much but every so often Mrs B will whip up
some homemade cookies or brownies, and on very special occasions, a
blueberry custard pie that is to die for. I think Tom and his wife
might have had some of that. The oven is also useful for storage.

If you're only using the boat for day trips or week ending, I could
see getting rid of the oven if you gain back some important space
somewhere else.

To me the most controversial decision is electric vs propane. Our
last boat had the electric Princess stove also, and before that we had
CNG on our old sailboat. I'm not in love with propane on a boat,
primarily for safety reasons, but also because it's a pain to swap out
the tanks, leak check, etc. Don't forget to leak check with soapy
water, very important.

Our microwave is in an overhead cabinet space off to the side of the
galley in a small "L".

Refrigeration is the original Grunert holding plate system with engine
room compressor. It has been rebuilt to use a modern CFC friendly
refrigerant but is otherwise original equipment. We also have a small
apartment style fridge in a cabinet which used to contain a
dishwasher. That swap was made by a previous owner. Since it doesn't
have holding plates, we use it primarily for beverages.

Have you discovered the Grand Banks owners forums? Some useful stuff
pops up from time to time.

http://www.grandbanks.com/resources/...rums/index.cfm

and also,

http://oxfordyachtagency.com/ubb/

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:18:19 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

Wayne,

Do you have the cooktop and oven in your GB? Reason I ask:

Mrs.E is really getting carried away with the "refurbishment" of her boat.
It originally had the stainless, propane cooktop with an oven. The oven
was
removed by the original owner to provide extra shelving plus he installed
a
small microwave.

Now, Mrs.E wants to replace everything with new, meaning a new propane or
electric top plus possibly an oven. My opinion is that the oven is a waste
of space and would rarely, if ever be used. I also don't see anything
wrong
with the existing, original stove top and think it may deter from the
originality of the boat by replacing it.

Opinions?

She's also replacing the fridge because "it's noisy". It is, but it
works.

To her credit though, "Pangea" is looking good. All the brightwork is
being
done over the winter. The exterior teak decks were done before winter
storage. And, it now sports a brandy-new full enclosure of the bridge.

I'll see if I can post a couple of pics over at ABPSO later on.

Yes, please do that.

Our GB has the three burner electric Princess stove with oven. We
don't use the oven that much but every so often Mrs B will whip up
some homemade cookies or brownies, and on very special occasions, a
blueberry custard pie that is to die for. I think Tom and his wife
might have had some of that. The oven is also useful for storage.

If you're only using the boat for day trips or week ending, I could
see getting rid of the oven if you gain back some important space
somewhere else.

To me the most controversial decision is electric vs propane. Our
last boat had the electric Princess stove also, and before that we had
CNG on our old sailboat. I'm not in love with propane on a boat,
primarily for safety reasons, but also because it's a pain to swap out
the tanks, leak check, etc. Don't forget to leak check with soapy
water, very important.

Our microwave is in an overhead cabinet space off to the side of the
galley in a small "L".

Refrigeration is the original Grunert holding plate system with engine
room compressor. It has been rebuilt to use a modern CFC friendly
refrigerant but is otherwise original equipment. We also have a small
apartment style fridge in a cabinet which used to contain a
dishwasher. That swap was made by a previous owner. Since it doesn't
have holding plates, we use it primarily for beverages.

Have you discovered the Grand Banks owners forums? Some useful stuff
pops up from time to time.

http://www.grandbanks.com/resources/...rums/index.cfm

and also,

http://oxfordyachtagency.com/ubb/



Thanks. I think she found the first link and is probably getting some of
her ideas there.
I don't know how yours was originally set up but on hers the propane tank is
under one of the seats on the bridge. There's a line that runs down from it
to a valve mounted in the overhead by the galley and then over to the stove.
The only thing I don't like about it is that the cradle for the tank holds
it horizontal rather than vertical. I don't think current codes allow this.
I'll look into the Princess, even though it will require running a new
service from the breaker panel.

RCE

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:18:19 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

"Pangea"

pangea? as in super continent?

The big continent that existed (so they say) before it broke up was called
Pangea.
There's a theory that the continents will drift back together again. When
this occurs, it will be called "Pangea Ultima".

more worthless information

RCE

On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:03:52 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

I don't know how yours was originally set up but on hers the propane tank is
under one of the seats on the bridge.

I believe ours came originally with the Princess electric range. The
only downside that I know of is the need to run the generator if you
are cooking at anchor or on a mooring. That's not a problem for us,
and we use the opportunity to freeze up the holding plates in the
fridge and charge the batteries.

"I'm not in love with propane on a boat,
primarily for safety reasons, but also because it's a pain to swap out
the tanks, leak check, etc. Don't forget to leak check with soapy
water, very important."

In all the years I've been running GBs, I've never seen a problem with the propane setup on one. And while I agree it doesn't hurt to check for leaks at swap out, it's no big deal to do and one bottle alone should last you for several months.

As I recall all the GBs I've been involved with, including my own, have had horizontal bottles and I've never seen a problem with that setup.

"capt.bill11" wrote in message
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"I'm not in love with propane on a boat,
primarily for safety reasons, but also because it's a pain to swap out
the tanks, leak check, etc. Don't forget to leak check with soapy
water, very important."

In all the years I've been running GBs, I've never seen a problem with
the propane setup on one. And while I agree it doesn't hurt to check
for leaks at swap out, it's no big deal to do and one bottle alone
should last you for several months.

As I recall all the GBs I've been involved with, including my own, have
had horizontal bottles and I've never seen a problem with that setup.


--
capt.bill11

Somewhere I heard that propane tanks, like scuba tanks, should not be stored
horizontally for long periods of time. I think it has to do with residual
water in the gas and the fact that the sides of the tanks are not as strong
as the ends and the sides may rust out. Old wive's tale?

RCE

I don't recall ever hearding that one before. For either type of tank.

The horizontal propane tanks I have always used are aluminum, as are my scuba tanks. And for what it's worth, some of my aluminum propane tanks are well over 10 years old and have been recertified with no problems.

"capt.bill11" wrote in message
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I don't recall ever hearding that one before. For either type of tank.

The horizontal propane tanks I have always used are aluminum, as are my
scuba tanks. And for what it's worth, some of my aluminum propane tanks
are well over 10 years old and have been recertified with no problems.


--
capt.bill11

They make aluminum SCUBA tanks now? I used to dive as a youngster (late
teens) and I remember the dive instructor at the certification school in New
Haven telling us to always store the tanks upright to minimize corrosion of
the side walls. Of course the tanks then were painted mild steel, not
aluminum. In fact, my first regulator was a US Divers two stage, two hose
deal. I really though I was coming up in the world when I got a single hose
regulator.

RCE