On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:11:00 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

Karen, please stop calling Harry 'lying scum'. It adds nothing to your
otherwise very interesting posts.

Your posts show that you know a lot more about the workings of the engines
than most anyone else hear. That alone adds to the credibility of what
you're saying.
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'Til next time,

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You've turned yourself into quite the player, John.

Your netcopping hypocrisy is no more appealing than Ms. Smith's
substandard English namecalling.

Harry, I apologize for anything I said to Karen that offended you.
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:45:41 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:11:00 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

Karen, please stop calling Harry 'lying scum'. It adds nothing to your
otherwise very interesting posts.

Your posts show that you know a lot more about the workings of the engines
than most anyone else hear. That alone adds to the credibility of what
you're saying.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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You've turned yourself into quite the player, John.

Your netcopping hypocrisy is no more appealing than Ms. Smith's
substandard English namecalling.

Harry, I apologize for anything I said to Karen that offended you.
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John H

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That's right...play the dummy. You must be convincing someone, eh?

Why not take your "disagreement" with Ms. Smith to your a.politics
newsgroup, where only the two of you can read it?

In what way is an apology 'playing the dummy'?

"a.politics" is not 'my' group. Anyone can post there, and anyone can read
the posts made there.

Actually, I wish some folks *would* go there and make their political
posts. I found many of them mentally stimulating and very informative, at
least until they got into the personal attack mode.

I'd like to hear what the 'Dougs', Nobby, etc. have to say about the
election results in Palestine, for example.

....but not here.
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John H

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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:29:13 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:47:30 -0500, JohnH wrote:

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:44:45 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 07:19:08 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
-rick- wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

What "failure rate" statistics can you cite to back up your claim that
the engines "suffered way too high failure rates for
consumer usage"? Legitimate statistics, please, backed up by some sort
of legitimate science, not your usual crap you extrapolate from
reading
about three incidents that took place on a hot day in August on an
unnamed lake and involving three guys working their way through a keg
and bloodworms spread on crackers.

Are legitimate failure rate statistics publicly available for any
consumer item? The companies I've worked for held that data pretty
tightly.


Sure, at least partially. We've all encountered "recalls" with
various products, or at least read or heard about them.

But that's not my point. Ms. Smith is claiming a "way too high
failure rate," based upon nothing more than, basically, nothing. How
can you claim a rate is "too high" without any reliable quantifying?

The evidence I gave was we all were told this by a dealer friend of
yours in this NG!!! What better evidence could you possibly ask for???
again are you suggesting this particular dealer was nothing but lying
scum like you???


What I'm stating is that your propaganda is not based upon any
certified, verifiable, enumerated, qualified, or quantified data.



If that's what you're trying to say then just come out with it, don't
be shy.

Also it's clear that Brunswick are not putting any more money into it
& spending vast sums on the 4 strokes. That's the final nail as far as
I'm concerned.


When I bought my Opti in 1998, I read info from Brunswick which said the
Opti technology was a bridge to help the company meet emission standards
in the short term.


If one of your dealer buddies isn't enough for you then I can't help
you further

I'm not making the claim, you are. You need the help, not me.
Harry,
I can remember a very detailed discussion Karen had with some
engineering types who used to frequent this motley group. I thought
they agreed that there was and should be concern about the lubrication
of Fichts at trolling speed.

600+ something hours most at low speed on the ranger and no problems
related to oiling or cylinder wear. i did have a stator problem which
cascaded through the engine, but thats almost unheard of even of other
engines including fichts.

oh, and its an omc ficht.

the problem is that most of the folks, engineers or not, have no clue
about how the system works or doesnt work - mostly doesnt because the
assumptions they make are valuless, uninformed and strictly
speculation - in short, if you cant convince them with brilliance....

its an advanced technology which baffles some who think they know it
all, thus they have to rely on bull**** and bafflement to "make" their
points.

everybody else can buy merc optimaxs and verados and yamaha four
strokes, but they arent going to get the milage i do, the preformance
i do or the reliability i have received.

so im done with this - everybody can do what they want - ill be
laughing all the way to the fishing grounds - or the bank with my
incredibly efficient engines.

Tom, is Karen wrong in her description of how the system works or doesn't?

i said what i said and i am right...

And I'm not arguing that. In fact, I'm not arguing anything, 'cause I know
nothing about them other than what I've read here.

Could it be that the problems mentioned by Karen are with the larger hp
engines and not the 90hp's?
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John H

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Also it's clear that Brunswick are not putting any more money into it &
spending vast sums on the 4 strokes. That's the final nail as far as I'm
concerned.

The problem with the Verado is that the charger and intercooler doesnt
make me feel any better in terms of reliability

Matt

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:21:04 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:45:41 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:11:00 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

Karen, please stop calling Harry 'lying scum'. It adds nothing to your
otherwise very interesting posts.

Your posts show that you know a lot more about the workings of the engines
than most anyone else hear. That alone adds to the credibility of what
you're saying.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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You've turned yourself into quite the player, John.

Your netcopping hypocrisy is no more appealing than Ms. Smith's
substandard English namecalling.
Harry, I apologize for anything I said to Karen that offended you.
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'Til next time,

John H

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That's right...play the dummy. You must be convincing someone, eh?

Why not take your "disagreement" with Ms. Smith to your a.politics
newsgroup, where only the two of you can read it?

In what way is an apology 'playing the dummy'?

"a.politics" is not 'my' group. Anyone can post there, and anyone can read
the posts made there.

Actually, I wish some folks *would* go there and make their political
posts. I found many of them mentally stimulating and very informative, at
least until they got into the personal attack mode.

I'd like to hear what the 'Dougs', Nobby, etc. have to say about the
election results in Palestine, for example.

...but not here.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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Everyone has "likes." I'd like you and the rest of the netcoppers to
take your netcopping to alt.netcops.annoyances.

Harry, I'm sorry my asking Karen to stop calling you names was offensive to
you. What more do you want?
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John H

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There is a difference between existing information and to the public
available information.

you are just extending the WMD in Iraq post ....

Matt

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:29:13 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:


On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:47:30 -0500, JohnH wrote:


On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:44:45 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:


On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 07:19:08 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:

K. Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

-rick- wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:


What "failure rate" statistics can you cite to back up your claim that
the engines "suffered way too high failure rates for
consumer usage"? Legitimate statistics, please, backed up by some sort
of legitimate science, not your usual crap you extrapolate from
reading
about three incidents that took place on a hot day in August on an
unnamed lake and involving three guys working their way through a keg
and bloodworms spread on crackers.

Are legitimate failure rate statistics publicly available for any
consumer item? The companies I've worked for held that data pretty
tightly.


Sure, at least partially. We've all encountered "recalls" with
various products, or at least read or heard about them.

But that's not my point. Ms. Smith is claiming a "way too high
failure rate," based upon nothing more than, basically, nothing. How
can you claim a rate is "too high" without any reliable quantifying?

The evidence I gave was we all were told this by a dealer friend of
yours in this NG!!! What better evidence could you possibly ask for???
again are you suggesting this particular dealer was nothing but lying
scum like you???


What I'm stating is that your propaganda is not based upon any
certified, verifiable, enumerated, qualified, or quantified data.



If that's what you're trying to say then just come out with it, don't
be shy.

Also it's clear that Brunswick are not putting any more money into it
& spending vast sums on the 4 strokes. That's the final nail as far as
I'm concerned.


When I bought my Opti in 1998, I read info from Brunswick which said the
Opti technology was a bridge to help the company meet emission standards
in the short term.



If one of your dealer buddies isn't enough for you then I can't help
you further

I'm not making the claim, you are. You need the help, not me.

Harry,
I can remember a very detailed discussion Karen had with some
engineering types who used to frequent this motley group. I thought
they agreed that there was and should be concern about the lubrication
of Fichts at trolling speed.

600+ something hours most at low speed on the ranger and no problems
related to oiling or cylinder wear. i did have a stator problem which
cascaded through the engine, but thats almost unheard of even of other
engines including fichts.

oh, and its an omc ficht.

the problem is that most of the folks, engineers or not, have no clue
about how the system works or doesnt work - mostly doesnt because the
assumptions they make are valuless, uninformed and strictly
speculation - in short, if you cant convince them with brilliance....

its an advanced technology which baffles some who think they know it
all, thus they have to rely on bull**** and bafflement to "make" their
points.

everybody else can buy merc optimaxs and verados and yamaha four
strokes, but they arent going to get the milage i do, the preformance
i do or the reliability i have received.

so im done with this - everybody can do what they want - ill be
laughing all the way to the fishing grounds - or the bank with my
incredibly efficient engines.

Tom, is Karen wrong in her description of how the system works or doesn't?

i said what i said and i am right...


And I'm not arguing that. In fact, I'm not arguing anything, 'cause I know
nothing about them other than what I've read here.

Could it be that the problems mentioned by Karen are with the larger hp
engines and not the 90hp's?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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Hi John,

Apologies for the Krause comments & sorry to say I call him for what he
is, I think we can just disagree about how each handles him.

As for the E-Tec thing I guess I'm happy to stand on my record, it's all
properly archived unlike those that are scared they'll be held to their
own BS.

You'll find a small group here worked very hard on the DFI thing in
98-99 & well before there were substantial numbers of engines out there
(despite the dealers trying to lie about that also) much less
substantial numbers of failures.

As to how they work?? we had to re-educate the dealers using the patents
(at the time we all know the ficht patent numbers off by heart:-)). The
so-called dealer tech training had been so dumbed down they didn't have
a clue (don't believe me again it's all archived, eventually we got Bill
to disassemble a Ficht injector & clock it up & he was honest enough to
come back & admit he'd been had). I was predicting they wouldn't work
from the start but much more importantly; why.

This E-Tec thing is a re-run, even down to the sad owners trying to talk
up "their" brand. Truth is Tom didn't have the knowhow nor wit to see
that his so called one off failure was not that at all, it was down to
detonation, just like the blown fuel connections, injectors, even the
gearbox failures etc etc .

The fact he came back for more is just a measure of his ego not being
able to come to grips with the first decision to buy engines which had
known design problems. Of itself these things are his life problem but
when he posts totally crazy stuff he is no better than a selling dealer
as far as I'm concerned. I learned the first time round with Ficht
there's no percentage in not saying what needs to be said. I suspect Tom
has bluffed his way through as he does in this NG (use a good primer
before applying gel coat is a recent classic!!!) reliant on the fact
that most people are like you & just too bloody polite to call him, not
me:-) no manners here; nuff nuffs are nuff nuffs & according to Darwin a
second time buyer of Ficht is a good way to ID them:-)

Have you noticed that Tom is not even trying to defend nor sustain his
11gph & 35mph claim???? He's been called & what???, just folded???
Hoping it'll go away???

For the record Matt is dead right about the E-Tec fuel consumption
claims, the only time they use less fuel is when they're in lean mode at
low to medium revs, at normal cruising power they use the same as any
other 2 stroke. Problem is if the pistons/rings got too hot from the
lean mixture, repeat plug firing mode it won't be long before it doesn't
burn any fuel at all:-) I'm guessing Tom will count the miles on the end
of a tow line as evidence of miles covered vs fuel used:-)

He's also posted recently that engines can get certain fuel consumptions
if he believes they can:-) Truly dangerous nuff nuff stuff, he's not
even embarrassed of course but the few fellow travelers with him ???? do
you cringe??? even just a little???? well don't worry I'll actually say
what needs to be said & as the E-Tec failures build in your new season
I'll make sure to keep you up to date. Damn there's enough already isn't
there??? The "excuses" are straight out of the Ficht book:-)

Reggie wanted examples I gave him some, do any good??? There a many more
& as needed I'll feed them out.


K

Krause recent lie of the day for you John

Worst part of the experience was the 15 minute delay. Overall, the CG
was very professional and polite.

Obviously, the Coasties were not aware that you are known to hang out in
rec.boats with the right-wing militia types.

The one time I was "boarded" in Chesapeake Bay was by a beautiful young
resources cop. The single buddy I was with at the time tried to pick her
up for a date.

Later that season, I read where she was shot and killed by some bad guys
on the Bay. I recall "drug smugglers" were suspected. This was eight or
nine years ago, if my fading memory serves. I've had no luck dredging up
a news clipping about the shooting.

This is clearly just another of the Krause lies, so I'll keep a copy for
later.

He just makes this BS up as he goes along, seriously given the rubbish
he posts here by the minute can anyone with a brain (that leaves his
leftie lackies well out of it).

Imagine he wouldn't have gone on & on & on about this made up story??

Forgetting the factual holes in it, like all his lies before it's
designed to perpetuate the lie that he even has a boat.

Anyway just calling the liar as more of you should, he's so full on BS.

"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

... eventually we got Bill to disassemble a Ficht injector & clock it up &
he was honest enough to come back & admit he'd been had).


Karen,

"You GOT me to dissassemble a FICHT injector ??????" You must be off your
rocker with that comment.


About the comment on the FICHT patents. Even the engineer Marcus Bell would
email me laughing that Karen from Australia could not even fathom that fuel
circulated thru the injector, even after many "lessons" to you trying to
make you see the light.

You are a looney.

Bill Grannis
service manager

Billgran wrote:
"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

... eventually we got Bill to disassemble a Ficht injector & clock it up &
he was honest enough to come back & admit he'd been had).


Karen,

"You GOT me to dissassemble a FICHT injector ??????" You must be off your
rocker with that comment.


About the comment on the FICHT patents. Even the engineer Marcus Bell would
email me laughing that Karen from Australia could not even fathom that fuel
circulated thru the injector, even after many "lessons" to you trying to
make you see the light.

You are a looney.

Bill Grannis
service manager



Bill,
As someone who does have detailed knowledge of Ficht with a larger than
average data base, have you found Ficht or Etec to have more than the
average problems? Is there any truth to the problem that some of Ficht
engines had problems related to trolling for extended periods?



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Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Billgran wrote:
"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

... eventually we got Bill to disassemble a Ficht injector & clock
it up & he was honest enough to come back & admit he'd been had).

Karen,

"You GOT me to dissassemble a FICHT injector ??????" You must be
off your rocker with that comment.


About the comment on the FICHT patents. Even the engineer Marcus
Bell would email me laughing that Karen from Australia could not even
fathom that fuel circulated thru the injector, even after many
"lessons" to you trying to make you see the light.

You are a looney.

Bill Grannis
service manager



Bill,
As someone who does have detailed knowledge of Ficht with a larger
than average data base, have you found Ficht or Etec to have more than
the average problems? Is there any truth to the problem that some of
Ficht engines had problems related to trolling for extended periods?




Trying to drum up some support for Ms. Smith?

No I am not. I really have no bone to pick on any engine, and own a
I/O. Bill is very knowledgeable, based upon practical hands on
experience. His opinion would be very valuable for anyone considering a
2 stroke vs a 4 stroke. It is silly for people to take a strong stance
on a position, without some data to help form an opinion.

I am curious though, why did you think my open ended question was a
support for Ms. Smith?





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