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Came across a genuinely bristol older boat........
I write a "used boat" column every month that highlights one of the
brokerage boats on the regional market. Once in a while I happen across something that is somewhat unusual, and next month's boat for this feature is in really unique condition..... I'll toss the rough draft into the mix here for some preliminary critique. Fair warning and complete disclosu please do *not* proceed beyond this point if the mention of something available for sale is likely to upset you. (Thanks). "Free & Clear" Remember the TV commercials for "Mr. Clean" household cleanser? I've never met Mr. Clean, but I think I was just aboard his boat. Norbert Tasler, of Anchor Land & Sea in Anacortes, suggested a 1984 Wellcraft express cruiser for this month's column. While we have all certainly seen mid-80's Wellcrafts, Anchor Land & Sea's listing "Free & Clear" is very noteworthy vessel. She is an outstanding example of how fastidious maintenance and thoughtful upgrading can turn a very nice boat into an absolute showpiece. Wellcraft began building wooden runabouts in the 1950's, and was a leader among boat builders making a full transition to fiberglass in the 1960's. Wellcraft may have pioneered the concept of the "center console" fishing boat, and throughout the years the Wellcraft trademark has traditionally featured performance-oriented sportfishing and family cruising models. "Free & Clear" was built in 1984, the first year for Wellcraft's 3400 Express Cruiser Series. The 3400 series were the largest boats Wellcraft had produced throughout its 30 years of experience, and they received the care and attention any manufacturer would lavish on a new model that was also the flagship of the fleet. "Free & Clear" is 33'7" long (35'5" with bow pulpit), and draws 3'. She carries a generous 12'6" beam well forward, tapering quickly at the bow to maximize interior cabin volume. She incorporates ample freeboard that provides excellent headroom throughout the cabin yet allows a very low, sleek profile for her superstructure. The flat sheer, unobtrusive windshield cowling and spacious cockpit are classic elements of express cruiser styling. There's no need to imagine how "Free and Clear" might have looked when brand new in '84. She has been professionally repainted in her original gleaming white with wide, deep maroon, sheer stripe. A spotless canvas enclosure of very recent vintage matches the sheer stripe, and converts the open cockpit into additional enclosed space appropriate for year 'round cruising enjoyment in the Pacific Northwest. While "Free & Clear" is as clean and shiny as most new or nearly new boats, there are subtle details that would no longer be considered "cost effective" by modern manufacturers and that give "Free & Clear" a specific and easily-identified place on the maritime timeline. Her chromed and streamline- styled engine air intake bezels must have looked somewhat "retro" back in '84, and remain attractive and intriguing even if well out of the fashionable mainstream today. There is a greater amount of premium teak used for interior joinery than one would now expect to see on boats of similar size and style. "Free & Clear" uses teak bulkhead doors to separate compartments in the same manner that many contemporary boats use sliding vinyl curtains. There aren't that many 22-year old boats that inspire a visitor to consider removing his or her shoes prior to entering the cockpit. While I ultimately didn't remove my shoes, I did make certain they were clean prior to stepping aboard "Free & Clear." Norbert suggested we begin our inspection with the engine room. As soon as the three-piece cockpit hatch was up it became very obvious that as original as the fully restored remainder of the boat appeared to be, it was no longer 1984 down in the absolutely spotless engine room of "Free & Clear." Wellcraft has always been mindful of its association with high performing boats, and in 1984 the standard power on the 3400 Express Cruisers was a pair of 454-cid gasoline engines. The gas engines would likely have enabled cruising speeds of just over 20-knots, with WOT performance somewhere near 30-knots. The same twin 454's could have churned through "Free & Clear's" 270 gallons of fuel in a single afternoon of high speed boating. In an era when 3-digit per gallon fuel prices are as likely to begin with a "3" as they are with a "2," twin 454 gasoline engines are less frequently a boater's first choice. The next owner of "Free & Clear" will be able to enjoy performance consistent with Wellcraft's original design, but without wondering whether installing a steam engine incorporating a boiler fired solely by burning dollar bills might be more economical than fueling up the internal combustion mains. "Free & Clear's" twin 300-HP Yanmar diesels were installed in 2000 and can now be considered "broken in" with only 775 hours on the meters. She is reputed to cruise at 20 knots, with a top speed of 26. Fuel consumption should be decreased dramatically and range correspondingly increased by the conversion to the Yanmars. Indeed, since the repower "Free & Clear" has cruised to Glacier Bay Alaska and back. North Harbor Diesel of Anacortes did a total bottom blister repair on "Free & Clear" in 2004. Wellcraft originally used molded through-hull fittings on the 3400 series, but "Free & Clear" has been upgraded to bronze. After reclosing the engine hatches, Norbert demonstrated a very useful "pullout" seat that slides under the transom when not needed. The pullout feature expands the cockpit seating to approximately 10 persons (including the helm and watch seats), yet allows unobstructed access to the upholstered transom bolster when fishing. The port watch seat is mounted atop a cavernous stowage locker, and backed with a stainless handrail and a series of cup or beverage holders. The helm seat is mounted on section of deck that has been raised to create headroom in the guest stateroom immediately below. "Free & Clear" was well outfitted with electronics, boasting an inventory that proved sufficient for her cruise to Glacier Bay. Highlights include a Robertson AP-11 autopilot, Standard Horizon GPS chartplotter, JRC 24-mile radar, two ICOM VHF radios, and a Furuno color video sounder. All of the upholstery in the cockpit area is in excellent condition, and the stainless steel used for transom rails, deck rails, and windshield framing is bright and unblemished. Even marine professionals likely to board hundreds of boats in a year will have a difficult time recalling many used boats in more pristine condition than "Free & Clear," and perhaps no vessels more bristol from the same era. Before inspecting the interior, we noted the presence of a cockpit heater, an inflatable dinghy on swim step davits, and a sturdy windlass on the foredeck. The Wellcraft 3400 Express Cruiser features two private staterooms in a skillfully engineered interior layout that seems improbably large for a 34-foot express cruiser. When descending down the companionway steps, one immediately realizes that the bristol exterior appearance is simply a prelude to more of the same in the interior. Everything aboard looks, fresh, clean, and bright. Opening a drawer or a hatch inspires another conjecture that the owner of the boat could easily be Mr. Clean- everything is carefully and logically organized and if there's a speck of dirt to be found, I personally wouldn't know where to begin looking for it. The master stateroom is just aft of the chain locker, with an amply proportioned double berth offset to starboard. There is a hanging locker on the port side of the master stateroom, as well as a six feet of standing headroom and a comfortable bench that should be handy when dressing. A teak door separates the master stateroom from the salon next aft. The salon includes a U-shaped dinette on the starboard side and a settee to port. A Dickinson 8,000 BTU propane heater is mounted near the settee, and should keep the entire interior toasty on even a cool summer morning in Alaska. Wellcraft designers placed the starboard galley at the base of the companionway steps, a choice that allows easy service from the galley to the dinette immediately forward or quick access to the on deck entertainment area in the cockpit above. "Free & Clear" uses an 1800-watt inverter and a bank of batteries for AC power underway, so the galley stove is fired by propane. A stainless steel sink, a microwave oven, a dual-voltage refrigerator/freezer, and a stainless steel sink are incorporated in a fixture that reserves more than ample counter space for basic food prep and service. The upper lockers follow the gunwale and then return athwartship to provide more stowage than one normally expects to find on many boats in this category. The athwartship galley fixture terminates in an attractively styled bottle locker. A head that appears to be almost surgically clean and incorporates a dedicated, stand-up shower stall is opposite the galley on the port side- and also conveniently located for easy access from the cockpit. The second stateroom aboard "Free & Clear" is aft of the galley, and separated from the main cabin by a teak privacy door. There is restricted headroom in the stateroom; it is located immediately below the raised portion of the cockpit deck above. The second stateroom is laid out to serve as a private sitting or conversation area during the day. A "filler cushion" can be installed to convert the stateroom to an oversized single berth that would easily accommodate two kids, and perhaps even two adults who were willing to sleep close together. Norbert informed me that Anchor Land & Sea will be featuring "Free & Clear" in the mid-March Anacortes Floating Boat Show. It wouldn't be surprising at all to eventually learn that the first person shopping for an express cruiser somewhere near her price range snapped her up at the show. Seeing is believing, and after only a few moments aboard "Free & Clear" its easy to believe that at her asking price of $84,500, (with Norbert pointing out that the seller will consider all reasonable offers), this particular NW Classic represents an outstanding opportunity and value. |
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Came across a genuinely bristol older boat........
Nice write up. However the boat is very slow for a cruiser and is extremely
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JimH wrote: Nice write up. However the boat is very slow for a cruiser and is extremely overpriced. More than fast enough for a 34-foot cruiser in the Pacific NW. And don't forget, boats sell for more $$$ in the Pacific NW than almost anywhere else in the county. The price is justified by the nearly new diesels and the immaculate shape.......(IMO). Current owner has spent almost $80,000 in upgrades over the last four years- and while you never get that back it does make the boat worth at least a little more than an "average" boat of this age. A sistership with high hour twin 454's, faded gelcoat, and in "average condition" would probably bring $40,000 or so in the current Pacific NW market- I would guess. Figure that the market is punishing an average boat probably 15-25% right now if it's equipped with really thirsty gassers, and you're back up to $50,000. Figure a $10,000 premium for diesel, a $5,000 premium for low hours, and a $10,000 premium for virtually bristol and you're probably up to a price that would buy the boat. If it takes all that math to get up to "a price that would buy the boat", why is that such a deal? Because you would be unlikely to find a better example of this boat for sale anyplace. It's always cheaper to buy somebody else's upgrades for half price or less than to start with a beat up old boat and fool yourself into believing that a few grand here and a few grand there would change it from a "5" to a "10". |
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Came across a genuinely bristol older boat........
"Free & Clear's" twin 300-HP Yanmar diesels were installed
in 2000 and can now be considered "broken in" with only 775 hours They are way more than broken in, more accurately, half used up or possibly more. We are not talking about 3,000 lb cast iron engines that are built to last forever. The Yanmars are lightweights that will be lucky to make it much past 1,500 hours without major overhauls. The fuel tanks, hull, deck and hull/deck joint should also be regarded as highly suspect in a high usage boat of that age. |
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wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like you've been reading David Pascoe's website. He places the life expectancy of most diesel engines somewhere near 1,000 hours, IIRC. We need to get the word out to thousands of people well beyond 1500 hours on their Yanmars that they are overdue for a major overhaul. I do agree that these engines are unlikely to ever see the 5000 or 6000 hours often achieved with older, lower RPM engines like a Ford Lehman, my original Perkins (that died only due to a manifold failure around 4000 hours), etc. But to predict they won't even survive as long as a well maintained marinized automobile gas engine is far too negative, IMO. Did you know that Yanmar scored better than Volvo, Perkins, and some other top names in a survey of actual diesel engine owners in the Jan 2006 issue of Cruising World? I think (simply my opinion) that a modern diesel boat engine's lifespan is inversely proportional to it's horsepower. I know a guy that's been through 3 engine rebuilds or replacements of both Yanmar 600 hp engines on his boat in 6 years. He did a lot of fishing trips and never got much over 1000 hours on any of them. RCE |
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RCE wrote: wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like you've been reading David Pascoe's website. He places the life expectancy of most diesel engines somewhere near 1,000 hours, IIRC. We need to get the word out to thousands of people well beyond 1500 hours on their Yanmars that they are overdue for a major overhaul. I do agree that these engines are unlikely to ever see the 5000 or 6000 hours often achieved with older, lower RPM engines like a Ford Lehman, my original Perkins (that died only due to a manifold failure around 4000 hours), etc. But to predict they won't even survive as long as a well maintained marinized automobile gas engine is far too negative, IMO. Did you know that Yanmar scored better than Volvo, Perkins, and some other top names in a survey of actual diesel engine owners in the Jan 2006 issue of Cruising World? I think (simply my opinion) that a modern diesel boat engine's lifespan is inversely proportional to it's horsepower. I know a guy that's been through 3 engine rebuilds or replacements of both Yanmar 600 hp engines on his boat in 6 years. He did a lot of fishing trips and never got much over 1000 hours on any of them. RCE I wish I could recall where to find it, but there has been a study conducted and a theory advanced that there's a direct relationship between the amount of fuel a diesel engine consumes and its life expectancy. The theory bases life expectancy on gallons consumed, rather than on hours operated. Under such a premise, any fuel consumption chart for a high HP diesel engine will reveal just how costly pushing the engine beyond the most efficient point in the curve can be, in terms of engine life expectancy as well as the fuel bill. I wonder what your acquaintance's experience would have been at just a few hundred RPM slower, where his fuel consumption might have been substantially less. If he's wearing out a diesel in 1000 hours, he's got the wrong engines for his application or he's pushing them way too hard, IMO. Relevant aside: I was just aboard a new Silverton with Yanmars, and learned that the factory *recommends* that the engines be cruised at within 200 RPM of WOT and *recommends* that they run totally wide open for up to 30% of total operating time. Interesting recommendations, to say the least. |
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Came across a genuinely bristol older boat........
I should have sent this a long time ago but, thanks for all of your posts.
I always enjoy at least glancing at the ones on subjects not high on my list of priorities/interests, and take my time to thoroughly enjoy reading the posts on those that have specific interest to me. wrote in message oups.com... RCE wrote: wrote in message ps.com... Sounds like you've been reading David Pascoe's website. He places the life expectancy of most diesel engines somewhere near 1,000 hours, IIRC. We need to get the word out to thousands of people well beyond 1500 hours on their Yanmars that they are overdue for a major overhaul. I do agree that these engines are unlikely to ever see the 5000 or 6000 hours often achieved with older, lower RPM engines like a Ford Lehman, my original Perkins (that died only due to a manifold failure around 4000 hours), etc. But to predict they won't even survive as long as a well maintained marinized automobile gas engine is far too negative, IMO. Did you know that Yanmar scored better than Volvo, Perkins, and some other top names in a survey of actual diesel engine owners in the Jan 2006 issue of Cruising World? I think (simply my opinion) that a modern diesel boat engine's lifespan is inversely proportional to it's horsepower. I know a guy that's been through 3 engine rebuilds or replacements of both Yanmar 600 hp engines on his boat in 6 years. He did a lot of fishing trips and never got much over 1000 hours on any of them. RCE I wish I could recall where to find it, but there has been a study conducted and a theory advanced that there's a direct relationship between the amount of fuel a diesel engine consumes and its life expectancy. The theory bases life expectancy on gallons consumed, rather than on hours operated. Under such a premise, any fuel consumption chart for a high HP diesel engine will reveal just how costly pushing the engine beyond the most efficient point in the curve can be, in terms of engine life expectancy as well as the fuel bill. I wonder what your acquaintance's experience would have been at just a few hundred RPM slower, where his fuel consumption might have been substantially less. If he's wearing out a diesel in 1000 hours, he's got the wrong engines for his application or he's pushing them way too hard, IMO. Relevant aside: I was just aboard a new Silverton with Yanmars, and learned that the factory *recommends* that the engines be cruised at within 200 RPM of WOT and *recommends* that they run totally wide open for up to 30% of total operating time. Interesting recommendations, to say the least. |
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wrote in message oups.com... I wish I could recall where to find it, but there has been a study conducted and a theory advanced that there's a direct relationship between the amount of fuel a diesel engine consumes and its life expectancy. The theory bases life expectancy on gallons consumed, rather than on hours operated. Under such a premise, any fuel consumption chart for a high HP diesel engine will reveal just how costly pushing the engine beyond the most efficient point in the curve can be, in terms of engine life expectancy as well as the fuel bill. I wonder what your acquaintance's experience would have been at just a few hundred RPM slower, where his fuel consumption might have been substantially less. If he's wearing out a diesel in 1000 hours, he's got the wrong engines for his application or he's pushing them way too hard, IMO. Relevant aside: I was just aboard a new Silverton with Yanmars, and learned that the factory *recommends* that the engines be cruised at within 200 RPM of WOT and *recommends* that they run totally wide open for up to 30% of total operating time. Interesting recommendations, to say the least. The manual for my Volvos (TAMP-63P -370hp) says the same thing, in fact they give you a placard to install by the throttles that says "Recommended cruise RPM = WOT minus 200 RPM. Doesn't say anything about running WOT specifically, but general knowledge among diesel owners is to crank 'em up for a mile or two when returning after cruising for an extended period of time. The theory on engine life and fuel consumption makes a lot of sense. As I mentioned, the person with the 600 hp Yanmars does a lot of fishing and it includes many hours of high speed, (30+ knots) running to get well offshore (NE Canyons). His boat was manufactured by: http://www.eastbayboatworks.com/ RCE |
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wrote in message oups.com... RCE wrote: wrote in message ps.com... I think (simply my opinion) that a modern diesel boat engine's lifespan is inversely proportional to it's horsepower. I know a guy that's been through 3 engine rebuilds or replacements of both Yanmar 600 hp engines on his boat in 6 years. He did a lot of fishing trips and never got much over 1000 hours on any of them. RCE I screwed up. His engines are *not* Yanmar. They are Manns. RCE |
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