On 8 Mar 2006 12:38:27 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


JohnH wrote:

While watching the northern lights in a stiff wind from the west, I am left
leaning.
--

This is rec.boats. Take that leaning crap to alt.politics. Here is is
"listing".

If I'm sailing north, and the wind is from the starboard, then I'm leaning
left.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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JohnH wrote:
If I'm sailing north, and the wind is from the starboard, then I'm leaning
left.

Not really, most sailboat seating is fore and aft rather
than athwartship. So you face the side, not the front. You'd
be leaning frontwards if you were sitting on the high side
(as most smart people do)!

DSK

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:01:18 -0500, DSK wrote:

JohnH wrote:
If I'm sailing north, and the wind is from the starboard, then I'm leaning
left.

Not really, most sailboat seating is fore and aft rather
than athwartship. So you face the side, not the front. You'd
be leaning frontwards if you were sitting on the high side
(as most smart people do)!

DSK

No way would I be sitting. I'd be standing, manning the helm, trying to get
the wind gauge on my enemy.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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If I'm sailing north, and the wind is from the starboard, then I'm leaning
left.


basskisser wrote:
list3
n.
An inclination to one side, as of a ship; a tilt.


Sailboats heel, motorboats list.

Actually, that's still not 100% correct. As I understand it,
"heeling" is what any boat does when it leans from wind
pressure or some other temporary force. 'Listing' is leaning
to one side due to uneven loading, flooding, or perhaps a
big dent in the hull.

DSK

DSK wrote:
If I'm sailing north, and the wind is from the starboard, then I'm leaning
left.


basskisser wrote:
list3
n.
An inclination to one side, as of a ship; a tilt.


Sailboats heel, motorboats list.

Actually, that's still not 100% correct. As I understand it,
"heeling" is what any boat does when it leans from wind
pressure or some other temporary force. 'Listing' is leaning
to one side due to uneven loading, flooding, or perhaps a
big dent in the hull.

DSK

list3 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lst)
n.
An inclination to one side, as of a ship; a tilt.

basskisser wrote:
list3 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lst)
n.
An inclination to one side, as of a ship; a tilt.


dumbass (P) Pronunciation Key (dumm-ass)
n. a stupid person; one who repeats incorrect information

On 9 Mar 2006 04:50:53 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


JohnH wrote:
On 8 Mar 2006 12:38:27 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


JohnH wrote:

While watching the northern lights in a stiff wind from the west, I am left
leaning.
--

This is rec.boats. Take that leaning crap to alt.politics. Here is is
"listing".

If I'm sailing north, and the wind is from the starboard, then I'm leaning
left.
--
'Til next time,

John H

list3
n.
An inclination to one side, as of a ship; a tilt.

lean, 1 a : to incline, deviate, or bend from a vertical position

The ship may be listing or heeling, but I'm leaning.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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DSK wrote:
basskisser wrote:
list3 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lst)
n.
An inclination to one side, as of a ship; a tilt.


dumbass (P) Pronunciation Key (dumm-ass)
n. a stupid person; one who repeats incorrect information

Your childish name calling does nothing positive for your credibility.
Please show how you've garnered more knowledge about the English
language than the scholars who work on various dictionaries.
The above first one was from dictionary.com

This is from Merriam Webster:
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
: a deviation from the vertical : TILT; also : the extent of such a
deviation

This from Cambridge Dictionary online:
list (LEAN) Show phonetics
verb [i]
(of a ship) to lean to one side, particularly as a result of damage:
The tanker is listing badly and liable to sink at any moment.

From Microsoft Encarta:
list [ list ]


transitive and intransitive verb (past and past participle list·ed,
present participle list·ing, 3rd person present singular lists)

Definitions:

lean to one side: to lean to one side, or make a ship lean to one side




noun

Definitions:

sideways tilt: an inclination to one side, especially one developed by
a ship


[Mid-17th century. Origin ?]

so I guess that you are saying that of all the scholars and others who
have used this term since the 1600's are wrong, and you are the only
person in the universe that is right!??????

On 9 Mar 2006 06:22:26 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


DSK wrote:
basskisser wrote:
list3 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lst)
n.
An inclination to one side, as of a ship; a tilt.


dumbass (P) Pronunciation Key (dumm-ass)
n. a stupid person; one who repeats incorrect information

Your childish name calling does nothing positive for your credibility.
Please show how you've garnered more knowledge about the English
language than the scholars who work on various dictionaries.
The above first one was from dictionary.com

This is from Merriam Webster:
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
: a deviation from the vertical : TILT; also : the extent of such a
deviation

This from Cambridge Dictionary online:
list (LEAN) Show phonetics
verb [i]
(of a ship) to lean to one side, particularly as a result of damage:
The tanker is listing badly and liable to sink at any moment.

From Microsoft Encarta:
list [ list ]


transitive and intransitive verb (past and past participle list·ed,
present participle list·ing, 3rd person present singular lists)

Definitions:

lean to one side: to lean to one side, or make a ship lean to one side




noun

Definitions:

sideways tilt: an inclination to one side, especially one developed by
a ship


[Mid-17th century. Origin ?]

so I guess that you are saying that of all the scholars and others who
have used this term since the 1600's are wrong, and you are the only
person in the universe that is right!??????

I believe he was contrasting the use of 'heel' with 'list'. Both could be
considered a 'lean' as far as a change from the vertical is concerned. In
my usage, 'heel' would be more appropriate as I was referring to a lean
caused by the wind, as opposed to the balance of the vessel itself.

Main Entry: 3heel
Function: verb
Etymology: alteration of Middle English heelden, from Old English hieldan;
akin to Old High German hald inclined, Lithuanian salis side, region
intransitive senses : to lean to one side : TIP; especially of a boat or
ship : to lean temporarily (as from the action of wind or waves) -- compare
LIST
transitive senses : to cause (a boat) to heel

This is most definitely 'semantics' at it's finest! I did not want to start
a flame war with my comment, and my apologies go out to all.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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On 9 Mar 2006 06:22:26 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


DSK wrote:
basskisser wrote:
list3 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lst)
n.
An inclination to one side, as of a ship; a tilt.


dumbass (P) Pronunciation Key (dumm-ass)
n. a stupid person; one who repeats incorrect information

Your childish name calling does nothing positive for your credibility.
Please show how you've garnered more knowledge about the English
language than the scholars who work on various dictionaries.
The above first one was from dictionary.com

This is from Merriam Webster:
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
: a deviation from the vertical : TILT; also : the extent of such a
deviation

This from Cambridge Dictionary online:
list (LEAN) Show phonetics
verb [i]
(of a ship) to lean to one side, particularly as a result of damage:
The tanker is listing badly and liable to sink at any moment.

From Microsoft Encarta:
list [ list ]


transitive and intransitive verb (past and past participle list·ed,
present participle list·ing, 3rd person present singular lists)

Definitions:

lean to one side: to lean to one side, or make a ship lean to one side




noun

Definitions:

sideways tilt: an inclination to one side, especially one developed by
a ship


[Mid-17th century. Origin ?]

so I guess that you are saying that of all the scholars and others who
have used this term since the 1600's are wrong, and you are the only
person in the universe that is right!??????

I believe he was contrasting the use of 'heel' with 'list'. Both could be
considered a 'lean' as far as a change from the vertical is concerned. In
my usage, 'heel' would be more appropriate as I was referring to a lean
caused by the wind, as opposed to the balance of the vessel itself.

Main Entry: 3heel
Function: verb
Etymology: alteration of Middle English heelden, from Old English hieldan;
akin to Old High German hald inclined, Lithuanian salis side, region
intransitive senses : to lean to one side : TIP; especially of a boat or
ship : to lean temporarily (as from the action of wind or waves) --
compare
LIST
transitive senses : to cause (a boat) to heel

This is most definitely 'semantics' at it's finest! I did not want to
start
a flame war with my comment, and my apologies go out to all.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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Another funny thread. Thanks.

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