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news:Iu9Wf.5335 Uh oh. If my yacht's single motor dies, I don't fall
out of the sky and die.
If I'm trying to deal with insanely nasty weather, maneuvering
around big waves, it **may** be a problem. But, if a plane's single
engine dies, so do the occupants, unless they're still on the
ground.

Your logic is flawed?


How is it flawed? Be sure to go back a few messages so you're clear on
what RCE responded to.

I'm sorry. I thought your statement was meant to stand on it's own.
What am I missing?
You can't depend on a boat without power to be able to be steered to a
soft landing on a sandy beach. On the other hand a powerless plane can
still be controlled in many cases.
Jim



We're talking about probability here, Jim. I see crippled boats towed
into the bay here all the time. I do not see ambulances waiting for the
occupants. You are right - if you're in hideous seas and you lose power,
you may be in deep ****. And, it *is* possible to land a crippled plane
safely, but the word "possible" is far from the word "likely".

Now you are being more reasonable.
Jim


I was reasonable right from the get-go. You were claiming that surviving a
plane crash was a common occurrence. It is not.

It probably is a common occurrence, but I never made that claim. And I did
not say anything about the survival rate of crashes. You said that if a
single engine plane loses power, the occupants die. That is an unreasonable
assumption.
Jim

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:Iu9Wf.5335 Uh oh. If my yacht's single motor dies, I don't
fall out of the sky and die.
If I'm trying to deal with insanely nasty weather, maneuvering
around big waves, it **may** be a problem. But, if a plane's single
engine dies, so do the occupants, unless they're still on the
ground.

Your logic is flawed?


How is it flawed? Be sure to go back a few messages so you're clear
on what RCE responded to.

I'm sorry. I thought your statement was meant to stand on it's own.
What am I missing?
You can't depend on a boat without power to be able to be steered to a
soft landing on a sandy beach. On the other hand a powerless plane can
still be controlled in many cases.
Jim



We're talking about probability here, Jim. I see crippled boats towed
into the bay here all the time. I do not see ambulances waiting for the
occupants. You are right - if you're in hideous seas and you lose
power, you may be in deep ****. And, it *is* possible to land a
crippled plane safely, but the word "possible" is far from the word
"likely".

Now you are being more reasonable.
Jim


I was reasonable right from the get-go. You were claiming that surviving
a plane crash was a common occurrence. It is not.

It probably is a common occurrence, but I never made that claim. And I did
not say anything about the survival rate of crashes. You said that if a
single engine plane loses power, the occupants die. That is an
unreasonable assumption.
Jim


I just e-mailed the NTSB, and asked to know how many single engine aircraft
fell out of the sky in this country during the past 10 years, and how many
of those incidents had survivors. I'll let you know if they respond.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news:Iu9Wf.5335 Uh oh. If my yacht's single motor dies, I don't fall
out of the sky and die.
If I'm trying to deal with insanely nasty weather, maneuvering around
big waves, it **may** be a problem. But, if a plane's single engine
dies, so do the occupants, unless they're still on the ground.

Your logic is flawed?


How is it flawed? Be sure to go back a few messages so you're clear on
what RCE responded to.

I'm sorry. I thought your statement was meant to stand on it's own. What
am I missing?
You can't depend on a boat without power to be able to be steered to a
soft landing on a sandy beach. On the other hand a powerless plane can
still be controlled in many cases.
Jim



We're talking about probability here, Jim. I see crippled boats towed into
the bay here all the time. I do not see ambulances waiting for the
occupants. You are right - if you're in hideous seas and you lose power,
you may be in deep ****. And, it *is* possible to land a crippled plane
safely, but the word "possible" is far from the word "likely".


Small private plane? Engine failure? More than possible, more like very
likely. Now, if a wing falls off, you're screwed.

RCE

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I was reasonable right from the get-go. You were claiming that surviving a
plane crash was a common occurrence. It is not.


Who said crash? I thought we were comparing the risks of loosing an engine
on a single engine boat and a single engine airplane.

Granted, on a nice day with calm to moderate seas, you aren't in immediate
danger in a boat. Rough it up a bit and the story changes.

This is getting too convoluted to continue anyway.

RCE

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I just e-mailed the NTSB, and asked to know how many single engine
aircraft fell out of the sky in this country during the past 10 years, and
how many of those incidents had survivors. I'll let you know if they
respond.


You are wasting your time. Engine failures. Engine failures. Engine
failures.


RCE

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I just e-mailed the NTSB, and asked to know how many single engine
aircraft fell out of the sky in this country during the past 10 years,
and how many of those incidents had survivors. I'll let you know if they
respond.


You are wasting your time. Engine failures. Engine failures. Engine
failures.


RCE



Wasting my time? How so?

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I just e-mailed the NTSB, and asked to know how many single engine
aircraft fell out of the sky in this country during the past 10 years,
and how many of those incidents had survivors. I'll let you know if
they respond.

You are wasting your time. Engine failures. Engine failures. Engine
failures.


RCE



Wasting my time? How so?

Methinks he is positing that a light plane engine failure does not often
end in a crash.

Correct.

RCE

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I just e-mailed the NTSB, and asked to know how many single engine
aircraft fell out of the sky in this country during the past 10 years,
and how many of those incidents had survivors. I'll let you know if
they respond.

You are wasting your time. Engine failures. Engine failures. Engine
failures.


RCE



Wasting my time? How so?

Methinks he is positing that a light plane engine failure does not often
end in a crash.

Maybe. I'll still be interested in seeing the stats I asked for.

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Methinks he is positing that a light plane engine failure does not often
end in a crash.

Maybe. I'll still be interested in seeing the stats I asked for.


Me too. I don't know, but I'd hazard a guess that there are far more fatal
boating accidents (for all causes) than small, private plane fatal accidents
(for all causes).

Boating may be a bigger in terms of participants though, so we'd have to
convert the numbers to percentages of registered boats and small aircraft.

RCE

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Methinks he is positing that a light plane engine failure does not often
end in a crash.

Maybe. I'll still be interested in seeing the stats I asked for.


Me too. I don't know, but I'd hazard a guess that there are far more
fatal boating accidents (for all causes) than small, private plane fatal
accidents (for all causes).

Boating may be a bigger in terms of participants though, so we'd have to
convert the numbers to percentages of registered boats and small aircraft.

RCE


Probably, but I'm still talking about percentage vs falling out of the sky.