On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:57:36 GMT, "Calif Bill"
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:57:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:55:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:18:14 GMT, Gene Kearns

wrote:

On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:09:33 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

http://www.break.com/movies/suffrage.html

I couldn't believe it.

I know that this is probably preaching to the choir... since I know
your wife is a teacher, but education is now defined as the ability
to
pass a standardized test. It has nothing to do with ability to
reason
or accrued knowledge.

A recent newspaper article found that, locally, of 350 applicants,
only 23 of 350 applicants with a high school diploma had adequate
skills in reading, writing, and math to begin entry level college
classes.... but having a high school diploma, we know they can pass
that test! Right?

I am feeling particularly mean today and really don't want to get
started on that one. :)

Last night, my son said his physics teacher mentioned that the speed
of
light had been measured using mirrors on mountaintops, or some such
thing.
I
vaguely recalled reading the details many years ago, so I asked him
about
the method. He said he and 2 other kids asked the teacher the same
question.
The teacher said it wasn't important at the moment.

Bitch slap time.

Did you bother to call the teacher to find out why? Sounds like you're
rushing to judgement here.

Parent slap time!

Thanks for the tip, John. I left a message at lunch time.


Also, keep in mind that teachers are very time constrained. They must
cover
a given amount of material to satisfy the teaching objectives given
them.
If there were enough time to go off on any and all tangents, I'd spend a
lot of time talking about motorcycles. The kids would love it.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

He could have mentioned a reason and ask them to remind him later to
explain
it. Teacher slap time.


There are all kinds of 'could haves'. It's interesting to see the one's
that automatically put the teacher at fault.

It's important to pass the attitude that 'all teachers are bad' on to
children, especially if you've not walked a block in their shoes.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

A lot of teachers can not teach. My Step father was one of those. Phi Beta
Kappa graduate, junior college prof, and was worthless as a teacher. I used
to teach digital signal processing and DSP use for Texas Instruments. They
put a lot of money and time in to making me a certified (TI certified)
instructor. OF course our students were motivated and they asked questions.
Part of being a good teacher is handling the question when the time is not
appropriate.


Apparently, the teacher in question did a good job then. The one asking the
question had his interest peaked, and he's now finding the answer.

Kudos to the teacher!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

"JohnH" wrote in message
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Also, keep in mind that teachers are very time constrained. They must
cover
a given amount of material to satisfy the teaching objectives given
them.
If there were enough time to go off on any and all tangents, I'd spend a
lot of time talking about motorcycles. The kids would love it.

Actually, that was his reason, although I don't really buy it. You've
heard
the term "teaching to the test", I'm sure. This teacher's running out of
time. Too bad, because the kids asked a good question which was directly
related to what was being taught. Fortunately, my son is becoming obsessed
with physics. He found, and dusted off my copy of "The Dancing Wu Li
Masters". He promised to explain the mirror experiment to me by dinnertime
tomorrow.


Sounds like the teacher is doing a great job. She provided enough info to
get your kid interested enough to look it up himself.

Yes, she's running out of time. Final exams are coming, and maybe the
SAT's, or state Standards of Learning tests. It would not be fair to the
kids to make them responsible for material that wasn't covered in the
classroom because the teacher went off on too many tangents.

My 10th & 12th grade bio teacher handled "excess" questions nicely.
Sometimes, so many kids wanted more info, she'd quickly jot the questions on
the blackboard, and then, by show of hands, see who wanted to return after
school. There were days she'd have almost 50 kids (two classes) coming back.
Great teacher.

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On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:57:36 GMT, "Calif Bill"
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On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 06:29:53 GMT, "CalifBill"
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:57:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:55:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:18:14 GMT, Gene Kearns

wrote:

On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:09:33 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

http://www.break.com/movies/suffrage.html

I couldn't believe it.

I know that this is probably preaching to the choir... since I
know
your wife is a teacher, but education is now defined as the
ability
to
pass a standardized test. It has nothing to do with ability to
reason
or accrued knowledge.

A recent newspaper article found that, locally, of 350 applicants,
only 23 of 350 applicants with a high school diploma had adequate
skills in reading, writing, and math to begin entry level college
classes.... but having a high school diploma, we know they can
pass
that test! Right?

I am feeling particularly mean today and really don't want to get
started on that one. :)

Last night, my son said his physics teacher mentioned that the speed
of
light had been measured using mirrors on mountaintops, or some such
thing.
I
vaguely recalled reading the details many years ago, so I asked him
about
the method. He said he and 2 other kids asked the teacher the same
question.
The teacher said it wasn't important at the moment.

Bitch slap time.

Did you bother to call the teacher to find out why? Sounds like
you're
rushing to judgement here.

Parent slap time!

Thanks for the tip, John. I left a message at lunch time.


Also, keep in mind that teachers are very time constrained. They must
cover
a given amount of material to satisfy the teaching objectives given
them.
If there were enough time to go off on any and all tangents, I'd spend
a
lot of time talking about motorcycles. The kids would love it.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

He could have mentioned a reason and ask them to remind him later to
explain
it. Teacher slap time.


There are all kinds of 'could haves'. It's interesting to see the one's
that automatically put the teacher at fault.

It's important to pass the attitude that 'all teachers are bad' on to
children, especially if you've not walked a block in their shoes.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

A lot of teachers can not teach. My Step father was one of those. Phi
Beta
Kappa graduate, junior college prof, and was worthless as a teacher. I
used
to teach digital signal processing and DSP use for Texas Instruments.
They
put a lot of money and time in to making me a certified (TI certified)
instructor. OF course our students were motivated and they asked
questions.
Part of being a good teacher is handling the question when the time is not
appropriate.


Apparently, the teacher in question did a good job then. The one asking
the
question had his interest peaked, and he's now finding the answer.

Kudos to the teacher!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

No, the teacher blew off the kid. The kid had a question, the treacher did
not address it to answer later, or have him ask the question later. The
student was sharp enough to know to ask a question was not the teacher
instigating an non-motivated student to think.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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No, the teacher blew off the kid. The kid had a question, the treacher
did not address it to answer later, or have him ask the question later.
The student was sharp enough to know to ask a question was not the teacher
instigating an non-motivated student to think.


I'm gonna take the credit for getting this particular student (my son) to
think. In this house, there's no room for lazy minds (for the most part).
He's been raised to question EVERYTHING, and walk through walls and
over/around people to get answers. He's the terminator of learning, and he
knows it's a cool way to be.

On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:12:44 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:57:36 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 06:29:53 GMT, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:57:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:55:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:18:14 GMT, Gene Kearns

wrote:

On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:09:33 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

http://www.break.com/movies/suffrage.html

I couldn't believe it.

I know that this is probably preaching to the choir... since I
know
your wife is a teacher, but education is now defined as the
ability
to
pass a standardized test. It has nothing to do with ability to
reason
or accrued knowledge.

A recent newspaper article found that, locally, of 350 applicants,
only 23 of 350 applicants with a high school diploma had adequate
skills in reading, writing, and math to begin entry level college
classes.... but having a high school diploma, we know they can
pass
that test! Right?

I am feeling particularly mean today and really don't want to get
started on that one. :)

Last night, my son said his physics teacher mentioned that the speed
of
light had been measured using mirrors on mountaintops, or some such
thing.
I
vaguely recalled reading the details many years ago, so I asked him
about
the method. He said he and 2 other kids asked the teacher the same
question.
The teacher said it wasn't important at the moment.

Bitch slap time.

Did you bother to call the teacher to find out why? Sounds like
you're
rushing to judgement here.

Parent slap time!

Thanks for the tip, John. I left a message at lunch time.


Also, keep in mind that teachers are very time constrained. They must
cover
a given amount of material to satisfy the teaching objectives given
them.
If there were enough time to go off on any and all tangents, I'd spend
a
lot of time talking about motorcycles. The kids would love it.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

He could have mentioned a reason and ask them to remind him later to
explain
it. Teacher slap time.


There are all kinds of 'could haves'. It's interesting to see the one's
that automatically put the teacher at fault.

It's important to pass the attitude that 'all teachers are bad' on to
children, especially if you've not walked a block in their shoes.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

A lot of teachers can not teach. My Step father was one of those. Phi
Beta
Kappa graduate, junior college prof, and was worthless as a teacher. I
used
to teach digital signal processing and DSP use for Texas Instruments.
They
put a lot of money and time in to making me a certified (TI certified)
instructor. OF course our students were motivated and they asked
questions.
Part of being a good teacher is handling the question when the time is not
appropriate.


Apparently, the teacher in question did a good job then. The one asking
the
question had his interest peaked, and he's now finding the answer.

Kudos to the teacher!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

No, the teacher blew off the kid. The kid had a question, the treacher did
not address it to answer later, or have him ask the question later. The
student was sharp enough to know to ask a question was not the teacher
instigating an non-motivated student to think.


My apologies. I didn't know you were there.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:12:44 GMT, "Calif Bill"
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:57:36 GMT, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 06:29:53 GMT, "CalifBill"

wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:57:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:55:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news:kk9d329v39ll87cije520289k1tr6p7d56@ 4ax.com...
On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:18:14 GMT, Gene Kearns

wrote:

On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 14:09:33 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

http://www.break.com/movies/suffrage.html

I couldn't believe it.

I know that this is probably preaching to the choir... since I
know
your wife is a teacher, but education is now defined as the
ability
to
pass a standardized test. It has nothing to do with ability to
reason
or accrued knowledge.

A recent newspaper article found that, locally, of 350
applicants,
only 23 of 350 applicants with a high school diploma had
adequate
skills in reading, writing, and math to begin entry level
college
classes.... but having a high school diploma, we know they can
pass
that test! Right?

I am feeling particularly mean today and really don't want to
get
started on that one. :)

Last night, my son said his physics teacher mentioned that the
speed
of
light had been measured using mirrors on mountaintops, or some
such
thing.
I
vaguely recalled reading the details many years ago, so I asked
him
about
the method. He said he and 2 other kids asked the teacher the same
question.
The teacher said it wasn't important at the moment.

Bitch slap time.

Did you bother to call the teacher to find out why? Sounds like
you're
rushing to judgement here.

Parent slap time!

Thanks for the tip, John. I left a message at lunch time.


Also, keep in mind that teachers are very time constrained. They
must
cover
a given amount of material to satisfy the teaching objectives given
them.
If there were enough time to go off on any and all tangents, I'd
spend
a
lot of time talking about motorcycles. The kids would love it.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

He could have mentioned a reason and ask them to remind him later to
explain
it. Teacher slap time.


There are all kinds of 'could haves'. It's interesting to see the
one's
that automatically put the teacher at fault.

It's important to pass the attitude that 'all teachers are bad' on to
children, especially if you've not walked a block in their shoes.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

A lot of teachers can not teach. My Step father was one of those. Phi
Beta
Kappa graduate, junior college prof, and was worthless as a teacher. I
used
to teach digital signal processing and DSP use for Texas Instruments.
They
put a lot of money and time in to making me a certified (TI certified)
instructor. OF course our students were motivated and they asked
questions.
Part of being a good teacher is handling the question when the time is
not
appropriate.


Apparently, the teacher in question did a good job then. The one asking
the
question had his interest peaked, and he's now finding the answer.

Kudos to the teacher!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

No, the teacher blew off the kid. The kid had a question, the treacher
did
not address it to answer later, or have him ask the question later. The
student was sharp enough to know to ask a question was not the teacher
instigating an non-motivated student to think.


My apologies. I didn't know you were there.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

I was. Sitting next to you in the back row.