On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:43:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's
spouse
works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot. Unless
you
want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any
idea
what it costs?

You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no education,
is
working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top of
it?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity?

Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals
into
the country?
John H


Ah....the recorded response.


There are many people in this country who just have no understanding of or
compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any. It's
always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion for
the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more.

You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are among
my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally.





I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job.
Totally different circumstances
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'Til next time,

John H

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On Wed, 03 May 2006 08:50:42 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's
spouse
works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot. Unless
you
want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any
idea
what it costs?

You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no education,
is
working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top of
it?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity?

Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals
into
the country?
John H

Ah....the recorded response.

There are many people in this country who just have no understanding of or
compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any. It's
always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion for
the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more.

You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are among
my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally.





I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.



It goes far beyond that for many resentful people in this country who
have no compassion for the plight of the working poor. My grandparents
came to this country with nothing except the clothes on their backs,
they worked many long hours at crummy jobs for crappy pay, and they had
children. In John's mind and in the mind of those who think like John,
my grandparents were stupid and he doesn't feel sorry for the suffering
they and millions of other poor immigrants endured and continue to endure.




Are you suggesting that your grandparents, just like mine, immigrated
legally, worked their tails off, made something of themselves, raised
families, and did it *without* a monthly check from the government?

Then you, like me, have every reason to be proud of them!
--
'Til next time,

John H

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On 3 May 2006 05:46:36 -0700, wrote:



Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity?

Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals into
the country?
John H


Ah....the recorded response.

I wonder how many "boycotter's" went back to work the next day only to
find their job had either been taken by somebody else, or had closed,
or they were just plain fired???

Hopefully a large percent.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:43:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's
spouse
works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot. Unless
you
want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any
idea
what it costs?

You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no
education,
is
working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top of
it?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity?

Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals
into
the country?
John H


Ah....the recorded response.


There are many people in this country who just have no understanding of
or
compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any. It's
always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion
for
the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more.

You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are
among
my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally.





I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job.
Totally different circumstances

John H

How about a less extreme example?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:17:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
oups.com...
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated
the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

Person A works a 40 hour week and makes 50k a year.
Person B works a 90 hour week and makes 25k a year.

Would you theorize that it's easier, or harder for person B to go to
college?
If person B is an illegal immigrant, then he shouldn't be whining. If
he is
a legal immigrant, then he should be whining about all the cheap
labor
coming over the border, not marching in the streets under a Mexican
flag.
If Person B is an illegal, he's here working because some sleazy
American employer found a way to exploit cheap labor. Person B's
basically badly paid slaves.
And how do you know this? They are making better wages than a lot of
people. Day laborers in Los Angeles get $10 / hour minimum. Tax free.

Tax free for you, too. You're breaking the law.

I've got to side with Bill on this one, Harry. You hire people who want
to work, which is in NO way connected with their immigration status,
which is nothing but a label. If you disagree, then you must also believe
that someone who's engaged to be married can **** anyone they want
because they don't have the married label yet.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that Bill is paying his casual labor
without withholding taxes from their pay or paying taxes on their behalf.
Illegal.

Which means nada in regards to this discussion. I needed laborers for a
clean up for a couple of hours. Only ones I can hire are day laborers from
in front of the lumber yard, or U-haul. Tried hiring though the state, no
one shows up. Maybe they claim the money and pay the taxes. They are
independent contractors, no witholding required. Same as hiring a guy with
a truck to haul trash away.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 03 May 2006 07:37:54 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:17:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
oups.com...
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated
the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

Person A works a 40 hour week and makes 50k a year.
Person B works a 90 hour week and makes 25k a year.

Would you theorize that it's easier, or harder for person B to go
to college?
If person B is an illegal immigrant, then he shouldn't be whining.
If he is
a legal immigrant, then he should be whining about all the cheap
labor
coming over the border, not marching in the streets under a Mexican
flag.
If Person B is an illegal, he's here working because some sleazy
American employer found a way to exploit cheap labor. Person B's
basically badly paid slaves.
And how do you know this? They are making better wages than a lot of
people. Day laborers in Los Angeles get $10 / hour minimum. Tax
free.
Tax free for you, too. You're breaking the law.
I've got to side with Bill on this one, Harry. You hire people who want
to work, which is in NO way connected with their immigration status,
which is nothing but a label. If you disagree, then you must also
believe that someone who's engaged to be married can **** anyone they
want because they don't have the married label yet.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that Bill is paying his casual
labor without withholding taxes from their pay or paying taxes on their
behalf. Illegal.

You better go check out the rules on the circumstances under which taxes
must be withheld, along with Social Security, etc.

Are you suggesting I've got to do all that for the kid down the block
when
he mows my grass?


Nope.

Same situation.

On Wed, 03 May 2006 16:53:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:43:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's
spouse
works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot. Unless
you
want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any
idea
what it costs?

You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no
education,
is
working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top of
it?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity?

Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals
into
the country?
John H


Ah....the recorded response.


There are many people in this country who just have no understanding of
or
compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any. It's
always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion
for
the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more.

You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are
among
my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally.





I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job.
Totally different circumstances

John H

How about a less extreme example?


Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no
education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job, the
one he held while making the babies?

Seven or eight years ago there were many 'specials' on the news showing
folks who'd had a good job, lost it during the recession, and were about to
lose their $400,000 home. I sure sympathized with them. That's a hell of a
blow. But, it's not the group of people I'm discussing. And, you haven't
seen any of those 'specials' in a long time.

It's my contention that illegal immigrants hurt the poor of this country by
reducing the number of available jobs *and* keeping the wages deflated.

If an individual will mow your grass for $8 and hour, are you (or Harry)
going to say, "Oh no, that's not enough, I'm going to give you $15 an
hour!"
--
'Til next time,

John H

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Bassy,
I like both dentist and chiropractors, in my opinion they do more to solve
medical problems than most Dr.'s. The medical profession is no longer
working to solve health issues, they are working to the insurance rules so
they can get paid.


"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
NOYB,
Fess up, you know you hit the gas every night after work.

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
A handful of boats arent representative of a nation of
people.


It's nothing more than an indicator. But when paired with
all
of
the
other indicators, its lends credibility to the notion that
our
economy
is
firing on all cylinders.




For the wealthy. That's it. By this time next year, you'll be
bartering
dental services for boat gasoline.

I'm already doing that. One crown no longer equals a tank of
of
gas.
Now
it takes one crown, plus one build-up beneath the crown, plus a
two-surface
anterior resin. If it's a posterior tooth, $25 goes into my
pocket.
Of
course, I could always take an extra radiograph to cover bait
costs
too.
;-)

Ah, the used car saleman of the medical field.


*New* car salesmen. All of our crowns are new...and the full
mouth
rehabilitations cost more than *used* cars.

You just aren't quite swift enough to get it, are you?

Au contraire. I "get it" just fine. But your statement was neither
witty
nor accurate...and deserved a stupid post in response.

http://tinyurl.com/qxsvl


I agree with #1, 2, and 4. The rest don't apply to me.

Ergo, the used car salesman of the medical world. Dentists are worse
than Chiropractors when it comes to making you come back to fleece you
some more.

On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:07:26 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:17:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
oups.com...
If there is a will there is a way. It depends on how motivated
the
person is to succeed in life.

Excuses are easy.

Person A works a 40 hour week and makes 50k a year.
Person B works a 90 hour week and makes 25k a year.

Would you theorize that it's easier, or harder for person B to go to
college?
If person B is an illegal immigrant, then he shouldn't be whining. If
he is
a legal immigrant, then he should be whining about all the cheap
labor
coming over the border, not marching in the streets under a Mexican
flag.
If Person B is an illegal, he's here working because some sleazy
American employer found a way to exploit cheap labor. Person B's
basically badly paid slaves.
And how do you know this? They are making better wages than a lot of
people. Day laborers in Los Angeles get $10 / hour minimum. Tax free.

Tax free for you, too. You're breaking the law.

I've got to side with Bill on this one, Harry. You hire people who want
to work, which is in NO way connected with their immigration status,
which is nothing but a label. If you disagree, then you must also believe
that someone who's engaged to be married can **** anyone they want
because they don't have the married label yet.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that Bill is paying his casual labor
without withholding taxes from their pay or paying taxes on their behalf.
Illegal.

Which means nada in regards to this discussion. I needed laborers for a
clean up for a couple of hours. Only ones I can hire are day laborers from
in front of the lumber yard, or U-haul. Tried hiring though the state, no
one shows up. Maybe they claim the money and pay the taxes. They are
independent contractors, no witholding required. Same as hiring a guy with
a truck to haul trash away.


Glad you clarified that for Harry. I wonder if he realizes, now, that
you're not a 'lawbreaker' for doing that.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids
when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position
afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on
illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year
job.
Totally different circumstances

John H

How about a less extreme example?


Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no
education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job,
the
one he held while making the babies?

There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no
business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose.