"basskisser" wrote in message
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I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?

Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.

SamJenson wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Remember what one of the experts that you were trying to dig up told
you? Here it is:

This is a rule of thumb with Cherokees, there are exceptions with some
vehicles.

And you call me a dummy? Why didn't you post the "experts" complete post?
Here's the full text-

"I did brakes and such for a long time professionally. I looked it up in my
Wagner book to confirm, just incase I'm getting foggy.1995 Jeep Cherokee
rear brake shoes, short shoe to the front, long shoe in the rear.This is a
rule of thumb with Cherokees, there are exceptions with some vehicles.Your
best bet is to do your vehicle correctly, and let the idiot foul his up.Keep
your rear brakes properly adjusted."

Funny, from this so-called expert, when in fact the Jeep was NEW when I
got it. Are you saying that the brakes were put in by the factory
incorrectly? Then how do you account for the fact that the parking
brake hardware is in fact hooked up correctly?

Lets look at some of the other responses from the experts-

"You are correct. The longer secondary shoe holds the parking brake
hardware."

Never said that the longer shoe DIDN'T hold the parking brake hardware.

"There is a clear diagram in the Haynes Manual that labels the shoes and
shows the shorter lining on the front or primary shoe.
I could take a digital photo of the page and email it to you if you would
like."

Okay. And (now THINK for a second) remember "there are exceptions."
These exeptions being different rear ends, etc.
I can also take a digital picture of the damned brakes on mine, which
makes me correct in any and all of my statements.

"The Haynes manual is a half decent book to have around, if only for things
like that and the torque specs. It is in the twenty dollar
range. Most auto parts stores sell them. If you had the book which shows
photos of the shoes as well as the diagram, that would fix his wagon.
Meanwhile I was bored so I got a couple blurry shots from the book and
posted them on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4. They are soo blurry there is
no way you could be accused of photoshopping them. LOL!"

"Short shoe to the front."

Not on mine, again since brand new!

"If you think about this for a long time, you might convince yourself that
there is a reason for it. I tried, but I just didn't get it. I did notice
that when people put them on backwards, the short shoe wears out way too
fast."

They aren't on "backwards. Came from the factory like that. THIS is
what you are losing sight of.

Have any proof that you're right and *everyone* else is wrong?

sure, again, I can take a picture. Now, do you REALLY want to wager
enough for me to take the hub off and take a picture of them? I'm
willing, but not for peanuts. Let me know.

SamJenson wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...


I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan

On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:34:37 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 08:30:36 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
What I think is so funny is JimH was all upset when JohnH made a few
comments about Race for Renee, but look at the number of comments JimH
has made concerning the "Scandal behind the Race for Renee".

I think he might want to forward this to the NYT or the Washington Post
for a more detailed follow up concerning Reneegate.


Do you have some ulterior motive for sustaining this?

Harry, did JimH have some ulterior motive for *starting* this? As you know,
you were the only person whose donation I offered to triple, yet JimH has
implied otherwise. Is there some reason you've not corrected him?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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I've posted this before, and I'll post it again. I skip a lot of posts
here these days. My interest is sporadic. I do, though, see these damned
idiotic headers and I wonder why you just don't let this die. It
deserves to.

Uh, Harry? Where'd you go?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Hey Schnautzer, were you ever able to get 'over there' and check out the
pics?




On 14 May 2006 12:56:35 -0700, wrote:

Pardon me, bt, "where" is "over there" and how do you get, "there"???



JohnH wrote:
On 14 May 2006 06:42:13 -0700, "
wrote:


JohnH wrote:
In an earlier post, Jim, you stated, "John does have a history of reneging
on promises."

That accusation was a lie.

You've not shown one promise on which I've reneged, and your stupid
accusations/mathematical wizardry failed to account for the fact that, as
Don White said, many people made their donations *before* my offer
was put on the table.

You, in a cowardly fashion, decided to cut and run from the thread in which
you made the accusations. Was it because you realized you'd opened your
mouth once too often?

I see you're now puppy-dogging Harry around the group. I'm sure he'll
provide you some motherly support.
--
'Til next time,

John H

Why don't you guys take it to email?
"So and So is a Such and Such" threads are always bad medicine.

It's over. If you get a chance, check out the 'runners and donors' picture
over there, especially the top name in the fourth column from the left.

Thanks!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Dan Krueger wrote:
SamJenson wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...


I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan

I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.

basskisser wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

SamJenson wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
groups.com...



I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan


I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.

That's right. I'm keeping my 11 year old mini-van a few more years. I
don't worry as much that my son will ding it as I do with my new Ranger
pickup.

Don White wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

SamJenson wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
groups.com...



I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan


I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.

That's right. I'm keeping my 11 year old mini-van a few more years. I
don't worry as much that my son will ding it as I do with my new Ranger
pickup.

My Jeep is a go anywhere, do anything type of vehicle. I still like
driving it. I've kept in in good shape, runs like a clock, is very low
maintenence. I'll bet I'm a lot better off than a lot of people who
think they need to be seen in an expensive new-every-year car because
of their lack of manhood. Buying new vehicles and/or trading perfectly
good vehicles in are poor economical decisions.

basskisser wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

SamJenson wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
groups.com...



I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan


I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.


Me neither!

Stella

Black Dog wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

SamJenson wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
groups.com...



I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan


I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.


Me neither!

Stella

And I'm glad you don't!!!!