On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:58:31 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 05:58:49 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote:


I expect the abuse from the simpletons & they never disappoint:-)
however John H chipped me for the Krause lie?? It's really sad that John
has rolled over to this low life lying union bully, so just to remind
him who he's kissing up to & how sad & desperately lonely he must be to
allow it. I guess also it's time to wonder why bullying is a problem in
the armed forces & school systems??? when the teachers don't even have
the backbone to stand up for themselves??? Anyone can appease bullies
then deceive themselves into thinking they have a friend John, but
you've gotten into bed with the worst enemy known to all endeavours, a
lying union thug. I better post some of the lies Krause has told this NG
about you personally, I stress as always Krause is lying & any of us who
know & respect John H in this NG will confirm this is just more of the
Krause lies;


I 'chipped' you for the personal attack. The subject of the attack was
unimportant. It could have been anyone. The personal attack detracted from
your post, just as this comment and all the Harry posts detract from this
post. Trust me, I don't need reminders of the personal attacks made by
Harry, et al, in the group. They *all* deserve the same amount of
attention.
--
John H

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It's too bad you are married, Herring. You and Karen Smith would make
the ideal couple in so many ways.

Did something in my response upset you, Harry, or are you just shooting
from the hip on this one?
--
John H

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Karen,

I am looking at a 2004 Alumacraft 17.5 foot boat with a 115 Evinrude Ficht
motor. This boat and motor has about 200 hours on it.
Should I really be worried?
Didn't most of these motors that were bad "blow up" within a few hours when
new? Also I seem to remember reading in this N/G that if they got past the
first few hours of operation without breaking you probably had a good
engine.
What percentage of failures did the manufacturers have?
Weren't the bigger motors, i.e..; 200 hp and above really the majority of
the problems.



OBTW 3 weeks fishing starts today!!!!!!!!!!! No more inspecting new
cars for 3 weeks!!!!
Nothing but wind, water, good friends, fishing, and a little beer ;-)

Fredo






"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
The E-Tec range of OB engines are now getting sold in numbers into
various markets & their ads are a total pain. So some anti-ads are in
order.

In our opinion E-Tec have the potential to be an even bigger
consumer disaster than the first time when they were called Ficht &
marketed in the main by the same dealers/riggers who were then placarded
OMC.

The reasons for holding my opinions of what we say are E-Tecs design &
other problems are many, too many for one short NG post, they fall into
numerous categories any one of which, on it's own, is reason enough to
stay well away from them.

(i) The basic concept of running internal combustion engines with lean
mixtures at power, as opposed to overrun (doesn't happen in boats:-)),idle
or high speed very light throttle cruise (again doesn't happen in boats).

(ii) The Direct Fuel Injection (DFI)into the combustion chamber (DFI)

(iii) The fuel injector nozzle.

(iv) The fuel injector

(v) The oiling system

(vi) The ignition system.

(vii) The engine displacements.

(viii) The latest version changes.

(ix) The "potential" for union labour to be used to build them.

(x) The "potential" way the manufacture is funded

(xi) The dealers/suppliers involved & the way/amounts they get paid

(xii) The marketing claims

(xiii) The warranty.

(xiv) Common sense.

I'll make a series of posts dealing with each category & if
needs be sub category. Needless to say, similarly I tried to warn you
through this NG about our "opinions" that Ficht would fail, "before" it
had become the disaster it did.

I was viciously & personally attached in this NG by those mostly with a
vested interest in selling/supporting known defective Ficht engines to
consumers. The dealers of course, the union thugs who had the undeclared
invested interest in the funding of OMC & a gaggle of sad simpletons who,
despite ample warnings in this NG, had fallen into buying one & could only
try to deny the obvious to save some value to their boats & pride to there
ego. Alas all sunk along with OMC when it fetched up on Ficht reef. Save
one true fool who went the next step & just kept claiming he had bought
another one every time the subject came up, which would make him the most
stupid person ever into rec.boats, a seriously sad thing given some of the
simpletons we've had & still have here over the years:-) It's very
possible he's just making it up about
buying more of them because if he had, I doubt his brain stem would even
support cardiac functions & remember a heart continues to beat even
outside the body.

Before we go onto series 2 I better thank all those who responded to
series 1, thanks. I note there were no technical objections raised that
warrant my attention & I thank Del for his usual attention to detail on
running engines lean while at power.

SNIP

"FREDO" wrote in message
.. .


Karen,

I am looking at a 2004 Alumacraft 17.5 foot boat with a 115 Evinrude Ficht
motor. This boat and motor has about 200 hours on it.
Should I really be worried?
Didn't most of these motors that were bad "blow up" within a few hours
when new? Also I seem to remember reading in this N/G that if they got
past the first few hours of operation without breaking you probably had a
good engine.
What percentage of failures did the manufacturers have?
Weren't the bigger motors, i.e..; 200 hp and above really the majority of
the problems.



Well, FREDO, you must be very new here to post that kind of message to
Karen.

First of all, do a search on her posts and see what kind of attitude she
has.

Second, before accepting any answer from her, ask for her experiences and
training and any credentials in the subject of FICHT, Evinrude DI, or E-TEC
engines. She will not give you any as she spouts the same "spruik", as she
calls it, since 1999.

Ficht was first introduced in mid 1996. Back in 1999, the then president of
OMC stated in a news conference, that 20% of the 1998 150-175 FICHT engines
with a 25" shaft, had major problems. Karen loves to quote that quote, but
does so out of context. The factory sent out teams of mechanics to repair
and upgrade all the owners of the '98 and '99 150&175 motors. The FICHT was
re-designed and improved in 2000 and was even more improved by Bombardier
when they took over in 2002 and was produced up to a few months ago.

Just think, if the FICHT and E-TEC's didn't work and blow up all the time,
as Karen contends, then why is Evinrude the 3rd best selling brand in the
US? Wouldn't you think that no one would by them if they blew up and didn't
work after all these years.

Right now if you want a dealer to order an E-TEC, especially the mid-range
models, you will have to wait about a month as the demand is higher than
expected and the company is running full output on several assembly lines to
keep up.

From a service manager's point of view (I have nothing to do with sales) the
motors are working well and we have fewer complaints and warranty claims
than we do with Yamaha which we also service. I am the guy who has to talk
to a mad customer if something breaks down and ruins their weekend on the
water, so I know which motors have problems and ones that don't.

Back to your original question, as with any used product, have the motor
checked out by a trained professional and ask for the computer report that
will tell you the total hours and the percent of use at each rpm range,
along with any stored "faults" that the computer may have detected. Good
luck.

Bill Grannis
service manager

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:10:12 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:58:31 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 05:58:49 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote:


I expect the abuse from the simpletons & they never disappoint:-)
however John H chipped me for the Krause lie?? It's really sad that John
has rolled over to this low life lying union bully, so just to remind
him who he's kissing up to & how sad & desperately lonely he must be to
allow it. I guess also it's time to wonder why bullying is a problem in
the armed forces & school systems??? when the teachers don't even have
the backbone to stand up for themselves??? Anyone can appease bullies
then deceive themselves into thinking they have a friend John, but
you've gotten into bed with the worst enemy known to all endeavours, a
lying union thug. I better post some of the lies Krause has told this NG
about you personally, I stress as always Krause is lying & any of us who
know & respect John H in this NG will confirm this is just more of the
Krause lies;

I 'chipped' you for the personal attack. The subject of the attack was
unimportant. It could have been anyone. The personal attack detracted from
your post, just as this comment and all the Harry posts detract from this
post. Trust me, I don't need reminders of the personal attacks made by
Harry, et al, in the group. They *all* deserve the same amount of
attention.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

It's too bad you are married, Herring. You and Karen Smith would make
the ideal couple in so many ways.

Did something in my response upset you, Harry, or are you just shooting
from the hip on this one?
--
John H

I just think it would be a match made in heaven.

One would hope you would outgrow your nonsense.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 06:44:56 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Jack Goff wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:58:31 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


It's too bad you are married, Herring. You and Karen Smith would make
the ideal couple in so many ways.

As you and Ann Coulter seem "just right".


Doubtful. I don't have much use for bleached, skinny, hyper, racist,
teatless blondes.

It's not about looks, Harry. You two have the same disposition. Your
personalities just "fit". :-)

FREDO wrote:
Karen,

I am looking at a 2004 Alumacraft 17.5 foot boat with a 115 Evinrude Ficht
motor. This boat and motor has about 200 hours on it.
Should I really be worried?
Didn't most of these motors that were bad "blow up" within a few hours when
new? Also I seem to remember reading in this N/G that if they got past the
first few hours of operation without breaking you probably had a good
engine.
What percentage of failures did the manufacturers have?
Weren't the bigger motors, i.e..; 200 hp and above really the majority of
the problems.



OBTW 3 weeks fishing starts today!!!!!!!!!!! No more inspecting new
cars for 3 weeks!!!!
Nothing but wind, water, good friends, fishing, and a little beer ;-)

Fredo






"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
The E-Tec range of OB engines are now getting sold in numbers into
various markets & their ads are a total pain. So some anti-ads are in
order.

In our opinion E-Tec have the potential to be an even bigger
consumer disaster than the first time when they were called Ficht &
marketed in the main by the same dealers/riggers who were then placarded
OMC.

The reasons for holding my opinions of what we say are E-Tecs design &
other problems are many, too many for one short NG post, they fall into
numerous categories any one of which, on it's own, is reason enough to
stay well away from them.

(i) The basic concept of running internal combustion engines with lean
mixtures at power, as opposed to overrun (doesn't happen in boats:-)),idle
or high speed very light throttle cruise (again doesn't happen in boats).

(ii) The Direct Fuel Injection (DFI)into the combustion chamber (DFI)

(iii) The fuel injector nozzle.

(iv) The fuel injector

(v) The oiling system

(vi) The ignition system.

(vii) The engine displacements.

(viii) The latest version changes.

(ix) The "potential" for union labour to be used to build them.

(x) The "potential" way the manufacture is funded

(xi) The dealers/suppliers involved & the way/amounts they get paid

(xii) The marketing claims

(xiii) The warranty.

(xiv) Common sense.

I'll make a series of posts dealing with each category & if
needs be sub category. Needless to say, similarly I tried to warn you
through this NG about our "opinions" that Ficht would fail, "before" it
had become the disaster it did.

I was viciously & personally attached in this NG by those mostly with a
vested interest in selling/supporting known defective Ficht engines to
consumers. The dealers of course, the union thugs who had the undeclared
invested interest in the funding of OMC & a gaggle of sad simpletons who,
despite ample warnings in this NG, had fallen into buying one & could only
try to deny the obvious to save some value to their boats & pride to there
ego. Alas all sunk along with OMC when it fetched up on Ficht reef. Save
one true fool who went the next step & just kept claiming he had bought
another one every time the subject came up, which would make him the most
stupid person ever into rec.boats, a seriously sad thing given some of the
simpletons we've had & still have here over the years:-) It's very
possible he's just making it up about
buying more of them because if he had, I doubt his brain stem would even
support cardiac functions & remember a heart continues to beat even
outside the body.

Before we go onto series 2 I better thank all those who responded to
series 1, thanks. I note there were no technical objections raised that
warrant my attention & I thank Del for his usual attention to detail on
running engines lean while at power.

SNIP



Fredo,
Visit a mechanic who services but does not actually sell E-Tec and/or
Ficht and you will get a more knowledgeable answer concerning the real
world problems.

In rec.boats, we have not had any owners complain about E-Tec and Ficht
in many years. That in itself should give you an idea of the number of
problems there are in the real world.
--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

Jack Goff wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 06:44:56 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Jack Goff wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:58:31 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


It's too bad you are married, Herring. You and Karen Smith would make
the ideal couple in so many ways.
As you and Ann Coulter seem "just right".

Doubtful. I don't have much use for bleached, skinny, hyper, racist,
teatless blondes.

It's not about looks, Harry. You two have the same disposition. Your
personalities just "fit". :-)

Jack,
I don't read all of Harry's posts, but from what I have seen Harry has
gone out of his way to avoid most of the personal attacks that used to
be rampant in rec.boats.

Rec.boats is a better place whenever someone holds off making any
inflammatory personal attacks. I enjoy reading most of Harry's posts
today, because the majority are either boating related or friendly and
non inflammatory.

--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 08:47:15 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Jack Goff wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 06:44:56 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Jack Goff wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:58:31 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


It's too bad you are married, Herring. You and Karen Smith would make
the ideal couple in so many ways.
As you and Ann Coulter seem "just right".

Doubtful. I don't have much use for bleached, skinny, hyper, racist,
teatless blondes.

It's not about looks, Harry. You two have the same disposition. Your
personalities just "fit". :-)

Jack,
I don't read all of Harry's posts, but from what I have seen Harry has
gone out of his way to avoid most of the personal attacks that used to
be rampant in rec.boats.

Rec.boats is a better place whenever someone holds off making any
inflammatory personal attacks. I enjoy reading most of Harry's posts
today, because the majority are either boating related or friendly and
non inflammatory.

You must have missed Harry's post to me a couple hours ago.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 08:47:15 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Jack Goff wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 06:44:56 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Jack Goff wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:58:31 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


It's too bad you are married, Herring. You and Karen Smith would make
the ideal couple in so many ways.
As you and Ann Coulter seem "just right".

Doubtful. I don't have much use for bleached, skinny, hyper, racist,
teatless blondes.
It's not about looks, Harry. You two have the same disposition. Your
personalities just "fit". :-)
Jack,
I don't read all of Harry's posts, but from what I have seen Harry has
gone out of his way to avoid most of the personal attacks that used to
be rampant in rec.boats.

Rec.boats is a better place whenever someone holds off making any
inflammatory personal attacks. I enjoy reading most of Harry's posts
today, because the majority are either boating related or friendly and
non inflammatory.

You must have missed Harry's post to me a couple hours ago.
--
John H

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JohnH,
I saw it, but to be honest, I tend to ignore most of the threads between
you and Harry, because they are so predictable. From what I have seen
you and Harry both enjoy tweaking each other, and neither party can
assume all of the guilt or innocence.

--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:22:13 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

what is a drill bit and in

An object commonly referred to as a "drill" except by machinists..

what appurtenance is it used????

A drill chuck which is an appurtenance to a drill motor.