Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

Also I'd recommend a set of neoprene boots... I can't imagine the Mississippi
being all that clean... (probably cleaner than the Chicago though).

No...it's probably NOT very clean

Plus muddy as hell

So you think neoprene boots better than open toe
sandals like Chaco or Teva for such muddy conditions?

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: Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

:Also I'd recommend a set of neoprene boots... I can't imagine the Mississippi
:being all that clean... (probably cleaner than the Chicago though).

: No...it's probably NOT very clean

: Plus muddy as hell

: So you think neoprene boots better than open toe
: sandals like Chaco or Teva for such muddy conditions?

I don't go in rivers around here without them... neoprene boots and gloves
(gloves vary on how truely messy it is and if you think your going to be
poking around)... the last thing you want to do is scrape a hand or toe on
something, cut it and let that water in...

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Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:

I don't go in rivers around here without them... neoprene boots and gloves
(gloves vary on how truely messy it is and if you think your going to be
poking around)... the last thing you want to do is scrape a hand or toe on
something, cut it and let that water in...

Ooooo... yes you are right

Didn't think abt dirty river water getting into cuts on
foot..... i.e. using open sandals that is

"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
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I wear Converse Chuck Taylor's All Stars in my whitewater
canoe, but
I'm a decided minority on the river in that respect.



Richard,

I always wore converse all-stars in the 70s. They really gripped
wet rocks and were still good for portages. When the last pair
finally wore out and it was time to replace them, the soles were
not the same material, it was much harder, and were decidedly
slippier on wet rocks. I haven't looked for them since the early
80s, so are the soles somewhat 'softer' again?




snip...

Rick wrote:
"Oci-One Kanubi" wrote in message
ups.com...

snip...


I wear Converse Chuck Taylor's All Stars in my whitewater
canoe, but
I'm a decided minority on the river in that respect.



Richard,

I always wore converse all-stars in the 70s. They really gripped
wet rocks and were still good for portages. When the last pair
finally wore out and it was time to replace them, the soles were
not the same material, it was much harder, and were decidedly
slippier on wet rocks. I haven't looked for them since the early
80s, so are the soles somewhat 'softer' again?

I cannot really compare. But the current soles are a little more
slippery than I would like. I wear them for the firm sole, since I
paddle kneeling with my toes pointed straight down: the sole (attached
to the high tops lashed around the ankle) supports the weight of the
foot and lower leg, rather than the toes.

I always have two pairs on hand; a pair that fits, and an outsized pair
that fits over wool socks and the built-in latex foots of my drysuit.
When I was paddling 100 days/year I had to replace both pairs annually,
because of the unfortunate tendency of wet canvas to rot! These days I
am boating only 50 or 60 days per year, and so they last a liddle
longer.


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Ok..let me pose this question to the group

I don't have a knife...any kind of knife

What exact brand/model of knife should I buy for
general use in kayak on river? To cut myself lose in a
tangle (emergency)..... to cut food...etc

Oci-One Kanubi wrote:

I cannot really compare. But the current soles are a little more
slippery than I would like. I wear them for the firm sole, since I
paddle kneeling with my toes pointed straight down: the sole (attached
to the high tops lashed around the ankle) supports the weight of the
foot and lower leg, rather than the toes.

The 5.10 stealth rubber soles are better than old Converse soles
for traction on a wide variety of surfaces.

Felt is better on algae-covered rock, vibram is better on dry rock,
but I don't think anything beats stealth rubber for sand-covered surfaces,
both wet and dry. Avoid wearing them at home, because they scuff floors
with black skidmarks. They also wear out fast on pavement.

I'm not a gearhead, but I believe stealth rubber soles are available
on many products. I wear Chaco sandals with 5.10 (dot pattern) soles.

Any kind of cheap stainless folder with a built on clip will suffice, unless
you want to attach it your PFD, then look at Gerber, there are
others...google river knife...I'm too lazy


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Ok..let me pose this question to the group

I don't have a knife...any kind of knife

What exact brand/model of knife should I buy for
general use in kayak on river? To cut myself lose in a
tangle (emergency)..... to cut food...etc

wrote:
Ok..let me pose this question to the group

I don't have a knife...any kind of knife

What exact brand/model of knife should I buy for
general use in kayak on river? To cut myself lose in a
tangle (emergency)..... to cut food...etc

This tip Oci-One Kanubi taught me:

Whenever you use throwlines, make sure to carry paramedic's shears or a
sharp knife as well!

The advantage of using paramedic's shears: They are a lot cheaper than
"normal" rescue knives. They have small serrated "blades" which will go
through throwrope very easily, but which can also be used very close to
a victim's body without injuring them. Unlike folding knives, they are
easy to operate with one hand. In area's where normal knives are illegal
(that's the case around here), they offer a nice non-threathening and
legal option. I do have a folding knife as a backup, but it's only been
used in anger to slit the throat of a baquette (French stick bread) or
skin an orange.

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Wilko wrote:


Whenever you use throwlines, make sure to carry paramedic's shears or a
sharp knife as well!

Ok but where to buy such a thing?

I'm going to REI this weekend so will get the Gerber
shortly river knife as well