Graphic Queen wrote:
Those who want to come to the USA, in violation of our immigration
laws, will continue to come, until and unless, we the American people,
defeat their morale. As long as they hold out the hopes and dreams, of
reaching the "land of milk and honey" or the "pot of gold at the end
of the rainbow", then we will continue to face them. They come for
opportunity, but face the reality of market saturation, hunger and
suffering. There are not enough jobs, or resources to support them at
this rate.

We must also defeat the morale of the illegals already here, and
motivate them to self-deport. We must cut off their supplies of water
and food. We must deter their enablers who assist them, and the
transporters who move them. We must stop the employers who provide
them employment.

Our governments have proved, in the past and present, that they can
make immigration laws, as long as the lumberjacks can fell trees and
the paper mills can make paper, but all the immigration laws written,
on the by-products of all the dead trees, don't mean anything without
enforcement. Our governments, from federal to local, have proven
dysfunctional, in the enforcement of immigration laws.

We must rise up and defend our Constitution against all enemies both
foreign and domestic.
We must carry the torch, and scythe, and enforce our immigration laws,
so as to end this quagmire.
We shall remember in November, and beyond, those traitors and tyrants,
who have betrayed our trust, and our sovereignty.

It is in our hands to remove the illegals from our nation, and to
defeat the efforts of those who will try to violate our immigration
laws.

We must rise and repel the invaders, at the borders, and evict those
aliens in our towns.

You the people of the United States of America, have the power of
citizenship and the duty and honor, under the US Constitution, and
within the Bill of rights, to protect this nation, now, or forever
allow it to be surrendered to the invading forces.

What say you my fellow patriots? rise and fight--or-- surrender?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
'It will always be like this'
As Bush tries to stop migrants, Mexicans vow to continue illegal trips
north

NOGALES, Mexico - Mexicans say it will take more than three layers of
fence and 6,000 National Guard troops to keep them out of the United
States.

As President Bush visited the stretch of Arizona desert Thursday that
serves as a cactus-studded freeway for thousands of undocumented
migrants, those preparing to make the perilous trip said they will
find a way around almost any obstacle.

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the
sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing,"
said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to
cross and deported.

Increased security will likely only serve to make smuggling fees more
expensive and drive immigrants deeper into debt, making them even more
desperate to make it north.

As a tired, bedraggled column of deportees filed across a Nogales
border bridge Thursday - just as Bush was giving a speech on border
security west of here - some migrants were already furiously dialing
cell phones to contact immigrant smugglers for their next attempt.

"Of course we'll cross again. We're just waiting for them to come and
pick us up," said Javier Torres, 22, of Cuiliacan, Sinaloa. Just 100
yards away, vans of the kind used by smugglers waited under an
underpass to pick up groups of deportees.

The deportees were greeted on the Mexican side by Martin Doriane, who
for the last four years has surveyed returning migrants for the
Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

Doraine says at least 95 percent of migrants caught and deported say
they'll try again, in part because they've sold everything they own in
Mexico to pay increasingly expensive and sophisticated smuggling
efforts to overcome tightened border security.

"They say, 'I had a roof and a frying pan in Mexico, but I sold both
to come north and went into debt, so what do I have to return to?"'
Doraine said.

Seeking 'a different life'
One of the deportees, Maria del Carmen Valadez, brought her
12-year-old son, Julio Cesar Castaneda, on the dangerous two-day trek
through the desert. The boy hungrily ate a taco Doriane gave him as
his mother acknowledged "it is a risk" to bring a child on such a
dangerous trip.

"I did it to give him a different life," said Valadez, of Fresnillo in
Zacatecas in northern Mexico. She said she'll probably try to cross
again, because in her hometown, "there's nothing but poverty."

That sense of desperation - and determination - is everywhere.

On Monday, a detained woman told agents she had left her 3-year-old
son dead in the desert.

The proposed 370 miles of triple-layer fencing, approved by the Senate
Wednesday, as well as Bush's plan to send National Guard troops to
play supporting roles in border enforcement, has raised tempers and
tensions here.

"Somebody is going to start shooting, and then there will be problems
between the two countries," predicted Santana, the Tijuana truck
driver.

Mexico airs concerns
Mexico's government has expressed concern about the wall and National
Guard proposals, saying they aren't the way to solve problems of
border security and illegal migration north.

"Most countries want to bring their people together and tear down
physical, commercial and cultural barriers," presidential spokesman
Ruben Aguilar said Thursday. "Anyone who proposes separating them is
out of line. Walls are a sign of distrust, and that will never be the
basis of a good friendship between two countries."

The Senate measure includes provisions that would give some
undocumented immigrants a path toward citizenship and allow more
people to work temporarily in the United States.

But Santana said he saw no advances in the sweeping reform package.

"There will always be more people wanting to come," he said. "It will
always be like this."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12860863/
--

Constitution of Mexico:

FOREIGNERS may NOT, in any manner, involve themselves in the political affairs of the COUNTRY!

The supreme kisser of hispanic butts, President Bush, and most of the
US Senate should be on trial for treason. They have failed to protect
our southern border and have pushed for legislation that would increase
the flooding of America by third-world aliens. A problem is that the
old "Silent Majority" is mostly a collection of lard-assed, feminized,
PC'd, White males. Worthless.

Arch

http://www.newnation.com/index2.html New Nation News

Wrong group, unless they're coming by boat.

wrote:

On 17 Jul 2006 17:49:04 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Wrong group, unless they're coming by boat.
That's the Haitians and Cubans

And after all the immigrants coming to the US in order to play bridge as
"Americans" (Benito Garozzo from Italy, Zia Mahmood from Pakistan,
Michael Rosenberg from Scotland, ...) tend to be
world-championship-level players, typically of middle-upper or
upper-class extraction, and therefore the kind of "immigrants" to whom
red carpets tend to be laid for (not sure about those who come here to
write books, or to practice metalworking as a craft, but I suspect the
situation might be similar). *Un*welcome immigrants are only those who
come in to do *useful, indispensable, low-pay* work, such as
house-cleaning -- they *are*, after all, lower-class! (Immigrants like
me, come here for hightech work, fall in a gray zone -- yes, our work IS
precious to the US economy, which would suggest we should be unwelcome,
but OTOH we're pretty well-paid and most often middle-class... so, we're
not quite as loathed by the average redneck as the most useful and
lowest-paid ones, but neither are we as welcome as bridgeplayers &c!-).


Alex

Alex Martelli wrote:
wrote:

On 17 Jul 2006 17:49:04 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Wrong group, unless they're coming by boat.
That's the Haitians and Cubans

And after all the immigrants coming to the US in order to play bridge as
"Americans" (Benito Garozzo from Italy, Zia Mahmood from Pakistan,
Michael Rosenberg from Scotland, ...) tend to be
world-championship-level players, typically of middle-upper or
upper-class extraction, and therefore the kind of "immigrants" to whom
red carpets tend to be laid for (not sure about those who come here to
write books, or to practice metalworking as a craft, but I suspect the
situation might be similar). *Un*welcome immigrants are only those who
come in to do *useful, indispensable, low-pay* work, such as
house-cleaning -- they *are*, after all, lower-class! (Immigrants like
me, come here for hightech work, fall in a gray zone -- yes, our work IS
precious to the US economy, which would suggest we should be unwelcome,
but OTOH we're pretty well-paid and most often middle-class... so, we're
not quite as loathed by the average redneck as the most useful and
lowest-paid ones, but neither are we as welcome as bridgeplayers &c!-).


Alex

We must stop them!

I think some swede just won the LMpairs good grief
What next Canadians playing for the USA
Good grief if you let some Italian guy named Garozzo, who ever that is,
in our country marrying our rich american women,what next?
Do we really want all these "people" playing, making money and sleeping
with our rich American female sponsors...this must Stop!

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:13:52 -0700, (Alex Martelli) wrote:

wrote:

On 17 Jul 2006 17:49:04 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Wrong group, unless they're coming by boat.
That's the Haitians and Cubans

And after all the immigrants coming to the US in order to play bridge as
"Americans" (Benito Garozzo from Italy, Zia Mahmood from Pakistan,
Michael Rosenberg from Scotland, ...) tend to be
world-championship-level players, typically of middle-upper or
upper-class extraction, and therefore the kind of "immigrants" to whom
red carpets tend to be laid for (not sure about those who come here to
write books, or to practice metalworking as a craft, but I suspect the
situation might be similar). *Un*welcome immigrants are only those who
come in to do *useful, indispensable, low-pay* work, such as
house-cleaning -- they *are*, after all, lower-class! (Immigrants like
me, come here for hightech work, fall in a gray zone -- yes, our work IS
precious to the US economy, which would suggest we should be unwelcome,
but OTOH we're pretty well-paid and most often middle-class... so, we're
not quite as loathed by the average redneck as the most useful and
lowest-paid ones, but neither are we as welcome as bridgeplayers &c!-).


Alex

Are you here legally or illegally?

Gunner


The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

wrote:
Graphic Queen wrote:
Those who want to come to the USA, in violation of our immigration
laws, will continue to come, until and unless, we the American people,
defeat their morale. As long as they hold out the hopes and dreams, of
reaching the "land of milk and honey" or the "pot of gold at the end
of the rainbow", then we will continue to face them. They come for
opportunity, but face the reality of market saturation, hunger and
suffering. There are not enough jobs, or resources to support them at
this rate.

We must also defeat the morale of the illegals already here, and
motivate them to self-deport. We must cut off their supplies of water
and food. We must deter their enablers who assist them, and the
transporters who move them. We must stop the employers who provide
them employment.

Our governments have proved, in the past and present, that they can
make immigration laws, as long as the lumberjacks can fell trees and
the paper mills can make paper, but all the immigration laws written,
on the by-products of all the dead trees, don't mean anything without
enforcement. Our governments, from federal to local, have proven
dysfunctional, in the enforcement of immigration laws.

We must rise up and defend our Constitution against all enemies both
foreign and domestic.
We must carry the torch, and scythe, and enforce our immigration laws,
so as to end this quagmire.
We shall remember in November, and beyond, those traitors and tyrants,
who have betrayed our trust, and our sovereignty.

It is in our hands to remove the illegals from our nation, and to
defeat the efforts of those who will try to violate our immigration
laws.

We must rise and repel the invaders, at the borders, and evict those
aliens in our towns.

You the people of the United States of America, have the power of
citizenship and the duty and honor, under the US Constitution, and
within the Bill of rights, to protect this nation, now, or forever
allow it to be surrendered to the invading forces.

What say you my fellow patriots? rise and fight--or-- surrender?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
'It will always be like this'
As Bush tries to stop migrants, Mexicans vow to continue illegal trips
north

NOGALES, Mexico - Mexicans say it will take more than three layers of
fence and 6,000 National Guard troops to keep them out of the United
States.

As President Bush visited the stretch of Arizona desert Thursday that
serves as a cactus-studded freeway for thousands of undocumented
migrants, those preparing to make the perilous trip said they will
find a way around almost any obstacle.

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the
sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing,"
said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to
cross and deported.

Increased security will likely only serve to make smuggling fees more
expensive and drive immigrants deeper into debt, making them even more
desperate to make it north.

As a tired, bedraggled column of deportees filed across a Nogales
border bridge Thursday - just as Bush was giving a speech on border
security west of here - some migrants were already furiously dialing
cell phones to contact immigrant smugglers for their next attempt.

"Of course we'll cross again. We're just waiting for them to come and
pick us up," said Javier Torres, 22, of Cuiliacan, Sinaloa. Just 100
yards away, vans of the kind used by smugglers waited under an
underpass to pick up groups of deportees.

The deportees were greeted on the Mexican side by Martin Doriane, who
for the last four years has surveyed returning migrants for the
Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

Doraine says at least 95 percent of migrants caught and deported say
they'll try again, in part because they've sold everything they own in
Mexico to pay increasingly expensive and sophisticated smuggling
efforts to overcome tightened border security.

"They say, 'I had a roof and a frying pan in Mexico, but I sold both
to come north and went into debt, so what do I have to return to?"'
Doraine said.

Seeking 'a different life'
One of the deportees, Maria del Carmen Valadez, brought her
12-year-old son, Julio Cesar Castaneda, on the dangerous two-day trek
through the desert. The boy hungrily ate a taco Doriane gave him as
his mother acknowledged "it is a risk" to bring a child on such a
dangerous trip.

"I did it to give him a different life," said Valadez, of Fresnillo in
Zacatecas in northern Mexico. She said she'll probably try to cross
again, because in her hometown, "there's nothing but poverty."

That sense of desperation - and determination - is everywhere.

On Monday, a detained woman told agents she had left her 3-year-old
son dead in the desert.

The proposed 370 miles of triple-layer fencing, approved by the Senate
Wednesday, as well as Bush's plan to send National Guard troops to
play supporting roles in border enforcement, has raised tempers and
tensions here.

"Somebody is going to start shooting, and then there will be problems
between the two countries," predicted Santana, the Tijuana truck
driver.

Mexico airs concerns
Mexico's government has expressed concern about the wall and National
Guard proposals, saying they aren't the way to solve problems of
border security and illegal migration north.

"Most countries want to bring their people together and tear down
physical, commercial and cultural barriers," presidential spokesman
Ruben Aguilar said Thursday. "Anyone who proposes separating them is
out of line. Walls are a sign of distrust, and that will never be the
basis of a good friendship between two countries."

The Senate measure includes provisions that would give some
undocumented immigrants a path toward citizenship and allow more
people to work temporarily in the United States.

But Santana said he saw no advances in the sweeping reform package.

"There will always be more people wanting to come," he said. "It will
always be like this."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12860863/
--

Constitution of Mexico:

FOREIGNERS may NOT, in any manner, involve themselves in the political affairs of the COUNTRY!

The supreme kisser of hispanic butts, President Bush, and most of the
US Senate should be on trial for treason. They have failed to protect
our southern border and have pushed for legislation that would increase
the flooding of America by third-world aliens. A problem is that the
old "Silent Majority" is mostly a collection of lard-assed, feminized,
PC'd, White males. Worthless.

Arch

http://www.newnation.com/index2.html New Nation News

The basic failure is an economic one. Mobility of labor is a vital part
of the EU. Indeed my claim is that you cannot have a free economy
without freedom of all the ingedients - Capital, Labor, Goods and
Services. NAFTA should be rechistened NAFF TA as it it really only
giving the basic freedoms of the WTO.

EU experience shows that mass migrations cease when wage and salary
levels are within 50% of the level between the various countries. The
fact that vthis is not the case with the USA and Mexico is a grave
indictment of the way the Western Hemisphere is run. Bush is trying -
very inadaquately in my view, to run a proper hemisphere. You could say
Bush is very trying!

Calderon has promised to free up movement of Capital. This I believe is
a vital step, in fact if labor is cheap US firms should be investing in
Mexico and making vast profits. OK making vast profits some might
consider immoral, but this is the only way to even things up.
Eventaually there will be no point as Mexican real wages rise. Also if
you settle in Mexico you will find that property and services are very
much cheaper than they are in the US. Learn some Spanish and you will
find that services cost you less. This may, as I have said, be a
temporary state of affairs.

I always thought the US was a free country run on free enterprise
principles. I was wrong.

wrote:
...
The basic failure is an economic one. Mobility of labor is a vital part
of the EU. Indeed my claim is that you cannot have a free economy
without freedom of all the ingedients - Capital, Labor, Goods and

Tell that to the French -- their huge scare about "the threat of Polish
plumber" crippled the Services Directive, and still today a Polish
plumber cannot freely go practice his trade in France (or, I believe,
Italy or Germany) without serious hassles making this or that "illegal".

The only plus of the EU, here, is that having these immigration hassles
as a state-level decision enables sensible states (Ireland, the UK,
Sweden, ...) to have much saner immigration policies, while, in the US,
even states which might LOVE to let good workers in (I suspect
California, Texas or Florida might, for example) must still kowtow on
immigration issues to heartland rednecks (OTOH, the fragmentation hurts
the EU on currency issues, for example: having theoretically free
movement of capital is hampered by that capital needing to be all the
time converted -- at a price each time -- among euros, pounds, kroner,
.... having just 1 single currency, the dollar, helps the US!).


Alex

Alotta Fagina wrote:
You wrote:

heartland rednecks

Says the dago wop guinea meatball.

Hey!! That's my cousin you are talking about (and yours as well) ;-))

Hey, why don't we just create an INS Illegal Immigration Foreign
Legion, subordinate to the US Army? That way, when the beaners cross
over we can swear them in and then send them immediately over to Iraq
outside the Green Zone. That would easily fill in the extra 130,000
troops we need there and US Army recruiters could stop patrolling
Wal-Mart parking lots for Negros and Mexican-Americans (aka Cannon
Fodder).

I think if we opened a few Taco Bells in Iraq and added a "Burrito with
pinto beans and Spanish rice" MRE the INS Foreign Legion would do just
fine.

And if the beaners lose Juan over in Iraq, not to worry... they can
have Carlos, Miguel, Arturo... ad infinitum! Mexicans tend to be
breeders so I can see your average illegal immigrant family taking 3
tours to have any effect on them!

The downside, of course, would be the INS troops selling their M-4s and
other US equipment to send money back to Mexico!!! But the US Army
would have the cleanest latrines in the world and best KP service!!!

Rob

"Alotta Fagina" wrote in message
...
You wrote:

heartland rednecks

Says the dago wop guinea meatball.

What a coincidence, those are my good points too!
--
Andrew Chaplin
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