I sincerely hope Joe Lieberman is successful today.

It's amazing and sad that some are willing to sacrifice a honorable, decent
and honest man, simply to make a political statement.

Eisboch

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
I sincerely hope Joe Lieberman is successful today.

It's amazing and sad that some are willing to sacrifice a honorable,
decent and honest man, simply to make a political statement.

Eisboch

Lieberman might have avoided the primary today had he merely been
"hawkish" on the war and otherwise been non-supportive of Bush and Bush's
conduct of same.

I am watching MSNBC as I type and listened to an interview with somebody ...
didn't catch who .... who pointed out that Joe Lieberman is really the last
of the old school, Kennedy-type Democrats. His vision is greater than that
of simply the interests of his own party and is willing to work to influence
without slamming doors shut. We need more of people like him in politics.

Eisboch

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:32:19 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


Lieberman might have avoided the primary today had he merely been
"hawkish" on the war and otherwise been non-supportive of Bush and
Bush's conduct of same.

Suggesting he might run as an independent, if he looses, has also cost
him. It's telling the primary voters that their votes don't count, and
that he somehow deserves to be their Senator. If he is going to run as an
independent, he should have at least kept his mouth shut until after the
primary.

Eisboch wrote:

I am watching MSNBC as I type and listened to an interview with somebody ...
didn't catch who .... who pointed out that Joe Lieberman is really the last
of the old school, Kennedy-type Democrats. His vision is greater than that
of simply the interests of his own party and is willing to work to influence
without slamming doors shut. We need more of people like him in politics.

Eisboch

I agree.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:39:58 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
I sincerely hope Joe Lieberman is successful today.

It's amazing and sad that some are willing to sacrifice a honorable,
decent and honest man, simply to make a political statement.

Eisboch

Lieberman might have avoided the primary today had he merely been
"hawkish" on the war and otherwise been non-supportive of Bush and
Bush's
conduct of same.

I am watching MSNBC as I type and listened to an interview with somebody
...
didn't catch who .... who pointed out that Joe Lieberman is really the
last
of the old school, Kennedy-type Democrats. His vision is greater than
that
of simply the interests of his own party and is willing to work to
influence
without slamming doors shut. We need more of people like him in politics.

Damn straight...

Been listening to Zell maybe.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:07:29 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:56:10 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:32:19 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


Lieberman might have avoided the primary today had he merely been
"hawkish" on the war and otherwise been non-supportive of Bush and
Bush's conduct of same.
Suggesting he might run as an independent, if he looses, has also cost
him. It's telling the primary voters that their votes don't count,
and
that he somehow deserves to be their Senator. If he is going to run as
an
independent, he should have at least kept his mouth shut until after
the
primary.

It's amazing that Lieberman would EVER consider running as an
independant/spoiler if the Dems make it clear they don't want him.
Someone should remind him of how a similar decision by Ralph Nader
kept Lieberman himself out of the White House.

I wouldn't count Joe out of the Dem primary just yet.

If I were still a Connecticut resident, I'd have a hard time voting
against Joe in a Democratic primary. He's been a solid Democrat and he's
entitled to hold positions that don't adhere to the party line at any
given moment. That doesn't bother me nearly as much as his announced
plan to run as an Indy if he loses the primary. *That* would cause me to
vote for his opponent in the primary if I found his opponent acceptable.

That's the key right there.

Lamont isn't acceptable - in particular to me. He might be acceptable
to those gold coast leftie ton-of-money liberal moonbats, but he's not
anywhere near what I would consider acceptable.

According to my sources, Lamont was talked into this bid by Markos
Moulitsas Zuniga of the Daily Kos and some from MoveOn.org based
solely on Lieberman's support for the Iraq war - that's it - period.

Here's some commentary from those supporting Lamont - all direct
quotes.

"Ned Lamont and his supporters need to [g]et real busy. Ned needs to
beat Lieberman to a pulp in the debate and define what it means to be
an AMerican who is NOT beholden to the Israeli Lobby" (by "rim,"
posted on Huffington Post, July 6, 2006).

"Joe's on the Senate floor now and he's growing a beard. He has about
a weeks growth on his face. . . . I hope he dyes his beard Blood red.
It would be so appropriate" (by "ctkeith," posted on Daily Kos, July
11 and 12, 2005).

On "Lieberman vs. Murtha": "as everybody knows, jews ONLY care about
the welfare of other jews; thanks ever so much for reminding everyone
of this most salient fact, so that we might better ignore all that
jewish propaganda [by Lieberman] about participating in the civil
rights movement of the 60s and so on" (by "tomjones," posted on Daily
Kos, Dec. 7, 2005).

"Good men, Daniel Webster and Faust would attest, sell their souls to
the Devil. Is selling your soul to a god any worse? Leiberman cannot
escape the religious bond he represents. Hell, his wife's name is
Haggadah or Muffeletta or Diaspora or something you eat at Passover"
(by "gerrylong," posted on the Huffington Post, July 8, 2006).

And then there was the Jane Hamisher incident in which she posted a
picture of Joe in black face. Lamont claimed he didn't know Hamisher
at first and when some bloggers posted pictures of him taking to
Hamisher and hugging her at a commercial shoot Hamisher was making for
him, he said she wasn't part of his "staff".

No thanks Mr. Lamont - I'll take a pass on you. If your primary
backers are these kind of folk, forget it.

If Joe does lose, I'll support his Independant Bid in the same fashion
as I've supported him through 30 years of politics.

He's the only Democrat I've ever sent money to and the only one who
I've consistently supported by my direct vote.

GO JOE!!


I had a strong feeling that there was more to this behind the scenes than
what appears in the "normal" news media. Lieberman has too much class to
even respond to such dirty politics and his statement to run as an
independent if he loses is as far as he would go.

It's not often I feel so positive about a Democrat, particularly from
another state, but I think he is one of the few honest people in federal
government and we need to keep him, Democrat, Republican or Independent.

Eisboch

Calif Bill wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:39:58 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
I sincerely hope Joe Lieberman is successful today.

It's amazing and sad that some are willing to sacrifice a honorable,
decent and honest man, simply to make a political statement.

Eisboch

Lieberman might have avoided the primary today had he merely been
"hawkish" on the war and otherwise been non-supportive of Bush and
Bush's
conduct of same.

I am watching MSNBC as I type and listened to an interview with somebody
...
didn't catch who .... who pointed out that Joe Lieberman is really the
last
of the old school, Kennedy-type Democrats. His vision is greater than
that
of simply the interests of his own party and is willing to work to
influence
without slamming doors shut. We need more of people like him in politics.

Damn straight...

Been listening to Zell maybe.
Zell's losing his mind, he goes off on rants so easily these days, I'd
take anything he said with a grain of salt.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Lamont isn't acceptable - in particular to me.

As a rightie and a Bush-Cheney supporter, why do you think
your comments on Democrats have any relevance, other than to
let Democrats know when they are gaining ground?

DSK

Eisboch wrote:
It's not often I feel so positive about a Democrat, particularly from
another state, but I think he is one of the few honest people in federal
government and we need to keep him, Democrat, Republican or Independent.


Then why didn't you vote for him for Vice President?

I think it's kind of funny that the Rove-bots are shrieking
about keeping Joe Lieberman in place, and even claiming that
a primary challenge to him is proof the Democratic Party is
anti-Semitic. Now they rightwingnuts have got some of you
folks who ought to have better sense chiming in.

Personally, I'd prefer to see Lieberman stay... but then I
am actually a registered Democrat even if it's not my state.

Regards
Doug King

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
I much prefer to call myself a moderate rather than a "rightie".


The problem with that claim is that the position you espouse
on many of the 'Big Issues' are pretty far right. AFAIK you
have relatively few moderate or centrist views, and if you
have ever once taken a liberal stand, I didn't notice it.





Because I prefer courteous and vigorous debate than mindless robotism
currently in vogue in the left wing of the Democrat Party.


BZZZT giveaway- the term is 'Democratic Party.' Only the
Repugnicrat borgs and Rove-bots use the term 'Democrat
Party.' This is what is called a 'tell' in poker, kind of
like the way you revealed your position when trying to claim
the high ground in the evolution debate.

It's not curteous to enter a debate under false pretenses.
Vigorous, maybe, but you can't expect anybody but fools to
stand up & salute when you enter flying false colors.

DSK