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![]() NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:03:12 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message groups.com... JR North wrote: They should shoot that rear shot at the bottom of the page with about a 2 foot following sea. JR If a following sea broke across the swimstep there could be some flooding of the cockpit, but not as much as you might expect. ( There is a huge, recessed deck drain just outside the companionway door). The sunpad and locker substitutes for a traditional transom, and the passages to port and starboard are partially protected with what would be, in effect, "reduced flow" transom doors. If the following sea wasn't breaking, the boat would just ride up and over the top like any other and the increased pressure and effect on steering would all be taking place below the waterline. Tha said, the most natual fit for this boat would be somewhat sheltered waters. I don't think it was really intended to slop around in 30-kt winds and 5-foot chop. A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because the cockpit will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find where you mention that in your review though. ;-) Do you never tire of it? John, it is truly a shame that your *contribution* to the NG has sunk to Kevin's level. Hey, Jim, I love it how you are such a little ****ing cry baby!!!! Care to wager that I'm not Kevin? Grow up. If you're not Kevin, then why do you reply to all messages in which Jim refers to Kevin? Are you friends with Kevin? Because he directly refers to MY POSTS. Damn, are you people really that stupid? When you reply directly to a certain person, then you are replying TO THAT PERSON. Friends, not really. I do know him. In this case, Jim was responding to John's post. So why did you reply to Jim's message that referred to Kevin? It's called an implication, which I'm sure is way over your head. |
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![]() "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:03:12 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message groups.com... JR North wrote: They should shoot that rear shot at the bottom of the page with about a 2 foot following sea. JR If a following sea broke across the swimstep there could be some flooding of the cockpit, but not as much as you might expect. ( There is a huge, recessed deck drain just outside the companionway door). The sunpad and locker substitutes for a traditional transom, and the passages to port and starboard are partially protected with what would be, in effect, "reduced flow" transom doors. If the following sea wasn't breaking, the boat would just ride up and over the top like any other and the increased pressure and effect on steering would all be taking place below the waterline. Tha said, the most natual fit for this boat would be somewhat sheltered waters. I don't think it was really intended to slop around in 30-kt winds and 5-foot chop. A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because the cockpit will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find where you mention that in your review though. ;-) Do you never tire of it? John, it is truly a shame that your *contribution* to the NG has sunk to Kevin's level. Hey, Jim, I love it how you are such a little ****ing cry baby!!!! Care to wager that I'm not Kevin? Grow up. If you're not Kevin, then why do you reply to all messages in which Jim refers to Kevin? Are you friends with Kevin? Because he directly refers to MY POSTS. Damn, are you people really that stupid? When you reply directly to a certain person, then you are replying TO THAT PERSON. Friends, not really. I do know him. In this case, Jim was responding to John's post. So why did you reply to Jim's message that referred to Kevin? It's called an implication, which I'm sure is way over your head. He intended to respond to Kevin, but responded to John instead? So how does that pertain to you? |
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![]() "NOYB" wrote in message .net... "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:03:12 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message groups.com... JR North wrote: They should shoot that rear shot at the bottom of the page with about a 2 foot following sea. JR If a following sea broke across the swimstep there could be some flooding of the cockpit, but not as much as you might expect. ( There is a huge, recessed deck drain just outside the companionway door). The sunpad and locker substitutes for a traditional transom, and the passages to port and starboard are partially protected with what would be, in effect, "reduced flow" transom doors. If the following sea wasn't breaking, the boat would just ride up and over the top like any other and the increased pressure and effect on steering would all be taking place below the waterline. Tha said, the most natual fit for this boat would be somewhat sheltered waters. I don't think it was really intended to slop around in 30-kt winds and 5-foot chop. A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because the cockpit will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find where you mention that in your review though. ;-) Do you never tire of it? John, it is truly a shame that your *contribution* to the NG has sunk to Kevin's level. Hey, Jim, I love it how you are such a little ****ing cry baby!!!! Care to wager that I'm not Kevin? Grow up. If you're not Kevin, then why do you reply to all messages in which Jim refers to Kevin? Are you friends with Kevin? Because he directly refers to MY POSTS. Damn, are you people really that stupid? When you reply directly to a certain person, then you are replying TO THAT PERSON. Friends, not really. I do know him. In this case, Jim was responding to John's post. So why did you reply to Jim's message that referred to Kevin? It's called an implication, which I'm sure is way over your head. He intended to respond to Kevin, but responded to John instead? So how does that pertain to you? Kevin keeps on showing us why he is and always will be *our* Kevin. You gotta love it. |
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![]() NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:03:12 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message groups.com... JR North wrote: They should shoot that rear shot at the bottom of the page with about a 2 foot following sea. JR If a following sea broke across the swimstep there could be some flooding of the cockpit, but not as much as you might expect.. ( There is a huge, recessed deck drain just outside the companionway door). The sunpad and locker substitutes for a traditional transom, and the passages to port and starboard are partially protected with what would be, in effect, "reduced flow" transom doors. If the following sea wasn't breaking, the boat would just ride up and over the top like any other and the increased pressure and effect on steering would all be taking place below the waterline. Tha said, the most natual fit for this boat would be somewhat sheltered waters. I don't think it was really intended to slop around in 30-kt winds and 5-foot chop. A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because the cockpit will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find where you mention that in your review though. ;-) Do you never tire of it? John, it is truly a shame that your *contribution* to the NG has sunk to Kevin's level. Hey, Jim, I love it how you are such a little ****ing cry baby!!!! Care to wager that I'm not Kevin? Grow up. If you're not Kevin, then why do you reply to all messages in which Jim refers to Kevin? Are you friends with Kevin? Because he directly refers to MY POSTS. Damn, are you people really that stupid? When you reply directly to a certain person, then you are replying TO THAT PERSON. Friends, not really. I do know him. In this case, Jim was responding to John's post. So why did you reply to Jim's message that referred to Kevin? It's called an implication, which I'm sure is way over your head. He intended to respond to Kevin, but responded to John instead? So how does that pertain to you? Hehe!! I KNEW it was way over your head!!!!!! im·pli·ca·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mpl-kshn) n. The act of implicating or the condition of being implicated. The act of implying or the condition of being implied. Something that is implied, especially: An indirect indication; a suggestion. An implied meaning; implicit significance. Root word: im·ply ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-pl) tr.v. im·plied, im·ply·ing, im·plies To involve by logical necessity; entail: Life implies growth and death. To express or indicate indirectly: His tone implied disapproval. See Synonyms at suggest. See Usage Note at infer. Obsolete. To entangle. (see the second meaning.) Now would you think that it was IMPLIED that he was meaning ME, after idiotically calling me Kevin at least a few thousand times???? Furthermore, do you only reply to posts that are 100% directed at YOU? If so, what are you doing in this thread? An inference. See Usage Note at infer. |
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![]() JimH wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message .net... "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:03:12 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message groups.com... JR North wrote: They should shoot that rear shot at the bottom of the page with about a 2 foot following sea. JR If a following sea broke across the swimstep there could be some flooding of the cockpit, but not as much as you might expect. ( There is a huge, recessed deck drain just outside the companionway door). The sunpad and locker substitutes for a traditional transom, and the passages to port and starboard are partially protected with what would be, in effect, "reduced flow" transom doors. If the following sea wasn't breaking, the boat would just ride up and over the top like any other and the increased pressure and effect on steering would all be taking place below the waterline. Tha said, the most natual fit for this boat would be somewhat sheltered waters. I don't think it was really intended to slop around in 30-kt winds and 5-foot chop. A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because the cockpit will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find where you mention that in your review though. ;-) Do you never tire of it? John, it is truly a shame that your *contribution* to the NG has sunk to Kevin's level. Hey, Jim, I love it how you are such a little ****ing cry baby!!!! Care to wager that I'm not Kevin? Grow up. If you're not Kevin, then why do you reply to all messages in which Jim refers to Kevin? Are you friends with Kevin? Because he directly refers to MY POSTS. Damn, are you people really that stupid? When you reply directly to a certain person, then you are replying TO THAT PERSON. Friends, not really. I do know him. In this case, Jim was responding to John's post. So why did you reply to Jim's message that referred to Kevin? It's called an implication, which I'm sure is way over your head. He intended to respond to Kevin, but responded to John instead? So how does that pertain to you? Kevin keeps on showing us why he is and always will be *our* Kevin. You gotta love it. See?? Jim is so ****ing stupid that HE doesn't understand the implication right at the exact time that he's still doing it!!!! Care to make a wager that I'm not Kevin, Jim? Put up or shut up. Come on, act like a man for ONCE... |
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![]() "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message .net... "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:03:12 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message groups.com... JR North wrote: They should shoot that rear shot at the bottom of the page with about a 2 foot following sea. JR If a following sea broke across the swimstep there could be some flooding of the cockpit, but not as much as you might expect. ( There is a huge, recessed deck drain just outside the companionway door). The sunpad and locker substitutes for a traditional transom, and the passages to port and starboard are partially protected with what would be, in effect, "reduced flow" transom doors. If the following sea wasn't breaking, the boat would just ride up and over the top like any other and the increased pressure and effect on steering would all be taking place below the waterline. Tha said, the most natual fit for this boat would be somewhat sheltered waters. I don't think it was really intended to slop around in 30-kt winds and 5-foot chop. A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because the cockpit will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find where you mention that in your review though. ;-) Do you never tire of it? John, it is truly a shame that your *contribution* to the NG has sunk to Kevin's level. Hey, Jim, I love it how you are such a little ****ing cry baby!!!! Care to wager that I'm not Kevin? Grow up. If you're not Kevin, then why do you reply to all messages in which Jim refers to Kevin? Are you friends with Kevin? Because he directly refers to MY POSTS. Damn, are you people really that stupid? When you reply directly to a certain person, then you are replying TO THAT PERSON. Friends, not really. I do know him. In this case, Jim was responding to John's post. So why did you reply to Jim's message that referred to Kevin? It's called an implication, which I'm sure is way over your head. He intended to respond to Kevin, but responded to John instead? So how does that pertain to you? Kevin keeps on showing us why he is and always will be *our* Kevin. You gotta love it. See?? Jim is so ****ing stupid that HE doesn't understand the implication right at the exact time that he's still doing it!!!! Care to make a wager that I'm not Kevin, Jim? Put up or shut up. Come on, act like a man for ONCE... He didn't call you Kevin. He was responding to my post. Do you have a gay crush on Kevin? |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:09:25 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com
wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message . .. "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because the cockpit will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find where you mention that in your review though. ;-) One has nothing to do with the other. Bluewater boaters routinely see water on deck. That's why scuppers are built into bulwarks. This boat is relatively shallow draft, moderate freeboard, and fairly light displacement. Nobody would recommend this boat for offshore use under "small craft warning" weather conditions, certainly including the manufacturer. Wouldn't matter if it had a transom 4 feet high. A following sea would not routinely flood the cockpit. Anybody who would panic if a strong following sea broke across the swim platform and momentarily put a half inch of water into the cockpit would be well advised to choose a heading that doesn't expose the stern directly to a following sea. (I could probably dig up a link to an entire series of racing sailboats built with no transom at all........) No one said anything about open bluewater or offshore use Chuck. You said the boat was built only for calm sheltered water as the boat will take on water in rough or following seas. A shame a 32 footer is not built to take on some moderately rough conditions. And that was my point because in your review you never said anything about these deficiencies. ;-) The post by Chuck Gould was an well written article for a boating magazine. As we have discussed many many times these "info-articles" are not reviews and don't pretend to be critical boating reviews. If he chooses to post the advertisements here then he should be willing to accept criticism on them. And a review of a boat without bringing out it's flaws is nothing more than an advertisement. ;-) The points I brought up are valid and the result of a poorly engineered boat. I cannot imagine a 32 footer not capable of taking on open water and 5 foot seas. The points you mentioned are ones that worthy of any boating discussion, the fact that you prefered to make it a discussion on his review is a waste of bandwidth. To anyone reading your posts it appears that you are begging for another fight with Chuck. If Chuck tells you "win" can you let this one go. I am not begging for a fight. He asked for a discussion and I took him up on it. If the weaknesses of a boat design cannot be discussed like adults without getting personal or thinking a party is trying to start a fight then that is a problem you will have to work out for yourself. BTW: Like others, I believe Chuck's info-mercials are well written. ;-) 32' and not a blue water boat is not a design defect. There are lots of large boats that are not designed for the North Atlantic in winter, or the North Pacific all year. They are designed for regional boating. I agree and never said otherwise. But 32 feet and not able to take 5 foot swells or 2 foot following seas without flooding the cockpit is a design defect. ;-) Again, reading comprehension... 'Not able to take' and 'not intended for' are two different things. Can you not see the difference, or do you feel you must put words in Chuck's mouth to support whatever you're attempting to say? -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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![]() NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message .net... "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... JimH wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:03:12 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message groups.com... JR North wrote: They should shoot that rear shot at the bottom of the page with about a 2 foot following sea. JR If a following sea broke across the swimstep there could be some flooding of the cockpit, but not as much as you might expect. ( There is a huge, recessed deck drain just outside the companionway door). The sunpad and locker substitutes for a traditional transom, and the passages to port and starboard are partially protected with what would be, in effect, "reduced flow" transom doors. If the following sea wasn't breaking, the boat would just ride up and over the top like any other and the increased pressure and effect on steering would all be taking place below the waterline. Tha said, the most natual fit for this boat would be somewhat sheltered waters. I don't think it was really intended to slop around in 30-kt winds and 5-foot chop. A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because the cockpit will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find where you mention that in your review though. ;-) Do you never tire of it? John, it is truly a shame that your *contribution* to the NG has sunk to Kevin's level. Hey, Jim, I love it how you are such a little ****ing cry baby!!!! Care to wager that I'm not Kevin? Grow up. If you're not Kevin, then why do you reply to all messages in which Jim refers to Kevin? Are you friends with Kevin? Because he directly refers to MY POSTS. Damn, are you people really that stupid? When you reply directly to a certain person, then you are replying TO THAT PERSON. Friends, not really. I do know him. In this case, Jim was responding to John's post. So why did you reply to Jim's message that referred to Kevin? It's called an implication, which I'm sure is way over your head. He intended to respond to Kevin, but responded to John instead? So how does that pertain to you? Kevin keeps on showing us why he is and always will be *our* Kevin. You gotta love it. See?? Jim is so ****ing stupid that HE doesn't understand the implication right at the exact time that he's still doing it!!!! Care to make a wager that I'm not Kevin, Jim? Put up or shut up. Come on, act like a man for ONCE... He didn't call you Kevin. He was responding to my post. Do you have a gay crush on Kevin? Pavlov would have had a field day with Kevin. ;-) |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:15:34 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:33:21 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:38:55 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message news:cs2dnVYiYpQhQnTZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast .com... JimH wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because the cockpit will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find where you mention that in your review though. ;-) One has nothing to do with the other. Bluewater boaters routinely see water on deck. That's why scuppers are built into bulwarks. This boat is relatively shallow draft, moderate freeboard, and fairly light displacement. Nobody would recommend this boat for offshore use under "small craft warning" weather conditions, certainly including the manufacturer. Wouldn't matter if it had a transom 4 feet high. A following sea would not routinely flood the cockpit. Anybody who would panic if a strong following sea broke across the swim platform and momentarily put a half inch of water into the cockpit would be well advised to choose a heading that doesn't expose the stern directly to a following sea. (I could probably dig up a link to an entire series of racing sailboats built with no transom at all........) No one said anything about open bluewater or offshore use Chuck. You said the boat was built only for calm sheltered water as the boat will take on water in rough or following seas. A shame a 32 footer is not built to take on some moderately rough conditions. And that was my point because in your review you never said anything about these deficiencies. ;-) The post by Chuck Gould was an well written article for a boating magazine. As we have discussed many many times these "info-articles" are not reviews and don't pretend to be critical boating reviews. If he chooses to post the advertisements here then he should be willing to accept criticism on them. And a review of a boat without bringing out it's flaws is nothing more than an advertisement. ;-) The points I brought up are valid and the result of a poorly engineered boat. I cannot imagine a 32 footer not capable of taking on open water and 5 foot seas. Did I miss something? Where did Chuck say the boat couldn't take 5 foot seas? Hell, my 21'er can take 5 foot seas. Yes John you missed something. You misread, then misquote, than argue against your misquotes as though they were stated by the OP. No I didn't. Here is exactly what Chuck wrote: "Tha said, the most natual fit for this boat would be somewhatsheltered waters. I don't think it was really intended to slop around in 30-kt winds and 5-foot chop. You would want to be off the water if you owned this boat- as well as most other boats, when something nasty like that kicks up." Read it twice......make that three times so you fully understand. OK? Anne Arundel County Schools are also facing a reading comprehension problem. Now what is that saying about people in glass houses? ;-) Read closely. "Not intended for..." and "not capable of" are two different things. My pickup is 'not intended for' carrying a 3/4 ton load. It most certainly is *capable* of doing so. Mince the words all you want John. He said you want to be off the water with this boat if there are 5 footers. To me that mean it is not capable of handling it. If it were, why get off? Got it now? Reading comprehension is a big problem in Prince George's County Schools also, especially at the 4th grade level. Perhaps you need to take some refreshers on your days off. Jim, *you* are the one who is mincing Chuck's words to fit your argument. It's dishonest. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:23:27 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:33:21 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:38:55 -0400, " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because the cockpit will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find where you mention that in your review though. ;-) One has nothing to do with the other. Bluewater boaters routinely see water on deck. That's why scuppers are built into bulwarks. This boat is relatively shallow draft, moderate freeboard, and fairly light displacement. Nobody would recommend this boat for offshore use under "small craft warning" weather conditions, certainly including the manufacturer. Wouldn't matter if it had a transom 4 feet high. A following sea would not routinely flood the cockpit. Anybody who would panic if a strong following sea broke across the swim platform and momentarily put a half inch of water into the cockpit would be well advised to choose a heading that doesn't expose the stern directly to a following sea. (I could probably dig up a link to an entire series of racing sailboats built with no transom at all........) No one said anything about open bluewater or offshore use Chuck. You said the boat was built only for calm sheltered water as the boat will take on water in rough or following seas. A shame a 32 footer is not built to take on some moderately rough conditions. And that was my point because in your review you never said anything about these deficiencies. ;-) The post by Chuck Gould was an well written article for a boating magazine. As we have discussed many many times these "info-articles" are not reviews and don't pretend to be critical boating reviews. If he chooses to post the advertisements here then he should be willing to accept criticism on them. And a review of a boat without bringing out it's flaws is nothing more than an advertisement. ;-) The points I brought up are valid and the result of a poorly engineered boat. I cannot imagine a 32 footer not capable of taking on open water and 5 foot seas. Did I miss something? Where did Chuck say the boat couldn't take 5 foot seas? Hell, my 21'er can take 5 foot seas. Yes John you missed something. You misread, then misquote, than argue against your misquotes as though they were stated by the OP. No I didn't. Here is exactly what Chuck wrote: "Tha said, the most natual fit for this boat would be somewhatsheltered waters. I don't think it was really intended to slop around in 30-kt winds and 5-foot chop. You would want to be off the water if you owned this boat- as well as most other boats, when something nasty like that kicks up." Read it twice......make that three times so you fully understand. OK? Anne Arundel County Schools are also facing a reading comprehension problem. Now what is that saying about people in glass houses? ;-) Read closely. "Not intended for..." and "not capable of" are two different things. My pickup is 'not intended for' carrying a 3/4 ton load. It most certainly is *capable* of doing so. Reading comprehension is a big problem in Prince George's County Schools also, especially at the 4th grade level. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John What's with these screwball school system references? Many Maryland counties are having big problems achieving their desired improvement levels. Perhaps you missed the news a couple weeks ago. -- ****************************************** ***** Hope your day is great! ***** ****************************************** John |
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