On 1 Sep 2006 18:31:58 -0700, "
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Impressive. Where is this? It looks as if it has been used a lot and
I wonder about the economics of this vs a lock system.

I was wondering about the lock alternative also. I'm guessing that
either the terain precluded a lock for some reason ot that the height
of the dam would have necessitated a cascade of locks which might have
had the effect of limiting boat length. The only other possibility
that I can think of is that making the river navigable was an after
thought.

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JimH wrote:
""UglyDan®©T"" wrote in message
...
(JimH)wrote
This is how the Russians do it:
http://ueba.net/hosted pages/Moving-a-Boat-20060813
A nice bit of engineering. ;-)


Thats pretty cool!
I don't know if its still there, but 40 yrs ago they had something
similar to this tho on a much smaller scale at the Dam that flowed from
Lake Drummond into the feeder canal off the Dismal Swamp in Va.
It was a small wood cradle on a railway using an old reversible 3/4"
drill for power. UD





You have to wonder what the "toll charge" is for this service. It looks
like 30-32 containers on the barge. Perhaps this method of carrying them
past the dam is cheaper than unloading the barge, trucking those containers
to the other side, then reloading them onto another barge.

Impressive. Where is this? It looks as if it has been used a lot and
I wonder about the economics of this vs a lock system.

Amazing. This is Yenisei river, in the middle of Siberia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Yenisei_basin_7.png).
The dam is for the Krasnoyarsk hydro powerplant, over 100 meters high
(about half the Hoover dam), surrounded by granite cliffs,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasnoy..._Power_Station.

I guess building and operating locks there would be much more expensive.
One company operates the entire river (the fleet AND the lift). Looks
like the barges were specifically made to fit the lift.

As far as I can tell from their website, the charge is approximately
$30-50 per metric ton per 1000 (that's THOUSAND) miles, lift included.
There are major mining and timber businesses there, but no other major
means of transportation.
Few more photos at their site,
http://www.e-river.ru/gallery/view.php?id=1413&p=2

From the same Siberian site (photo contest):

http://www.e-river.ru/gallery/viewfo...286&group=2244

(text translates as "entry forbidden")



In article ,
Huss Mohrens wrote:

In article . com,
" wrote:

JimH wrote:
""UglyDan®©T"" wrote in message
...
(JimH)wrote
This is how the Russians do it:
http://ueba.net/hosted pages/Moving-a-Boat-20060813
A nice bit of engineering. ;-)


Thats pretty cool!
I don't know if its still there, but 40 yrs ago they had something
similar to this tho on a much smaller scale at the Dam that flowed from
Lake Drummond into the feeder canal off the Dismal Swamp in Va.
It was a small wood cradle on a railway using an old reversible 3/4"
drill for power. UD





You have to wonder what the "toll charge" is for this service. It looks
like 30-32 containers on the barge. Perhaps this method of carrying them
past the dam is cheaper than unloading the barge, trucking those
containers
to the other side, then reloading them onto another barge.

Impressive. Where is this? It looks as if it has been used a lot and
I wonder about the economics of this vs a lock system.

Amazing. This is Yenisei river, in the middle of Siberia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Yenisei_basin_7.png).
The dam is for the Krasnoyarsk hydro powerplant, over 100 meters high
(about half the Hoover dam), surrounded by granite cliffs,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasnoy..._Power_Station.

I guess building and operating locks there would be much more expensive.
One company operates the entire river (the fleet AND the lift). Looks
like the barges were specifically made to fit the lift.

As far as I can tell from their website, the charge is approximately
$30-50 per metric ton per 1000 (that's THOUSAND) miles, lift included.
There are major mining and timber businesses there, but no other major
means of transportation.
Few more photos at their site,
http://www.e-river.ru/gallery/view.php?id=1413&p=2

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 02:51:08 -0400, Huss Mohrens wrote:

In article . com,
" wrote:

JimH wrote:
""UglyDan®©T"" wrote in message
...
(JimH)wrote
This is how the Russians do it:
http://ueba.net/hosted pages/Moving-a-Boat-20060813
A nice bit of engineering. ;-)


Thats pretty cool!
I don't know if its still there, but 40 yrs ago they had something
similar to this tho on a much smaller scale at the Dam that flowed from
Lake Drummond into the feeder canal off the Dismal Swamp in Va.
It was a small wood cradle on a railway using an old reversible 3/4"
drill for power. UD





You have to wonder what the "toll charge" is for this service. It looks
like 30-32 containers on the barge. Perhaps this method of carrying them
past the dam is cheaper than unloading the barge, trucking those containers
to the other side, then reloading them onto another barge.

Impressive. Where is this? It looks as if it has been used a lot and
I wonder about the economics of this vs a lock system.

Amazing. This is Yenisei river, in the middle of Siberia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Yenisei_basin_7.png).
The dam is for the Krasnoyarsk hydro powerplant, over 100 meters high
(about half the Hoover dam), surrounded by granite cliffs,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasnoy..._Power_Station.

I guess building and operating locks there would be much more expensive.
One company operates the entire river (the fleet AND the lift). Looks
like the barges were specifically made to fit the lift.

As far as I can tell from their website, the charge is approximately
$30-50 per metric ton per 1000 (that's THOUSAND) miles, lift included.
There are major mining and timber businesses there, but no other major
means of transportation.
Few more photos at their site,
http://www.e-river.ru/gallery/view.php?id=1413&p=2

Thanks Huss!

Your research is appreciated!
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"Huss Mohrens" wrote in message
...
From the same Siberian site (photo contest):

http://www.e-river.ru/gallery/viewfo...286&group=2244

(text translates as "entry forbidden")




Good one! ;-)

Here's a few other novel ways to do it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_elevator

The Falkirk Wheel looks amazing.

Another site listed the reason for using such a railroad type of conveyance
as a means to avoid letting a type of lamprey migrate from one body of water
to another:

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/big_chute_ontario.htm

-Bill Kearney

On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:44:55 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
wrote:

Here's a few other novel ways to do it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_elevator

The Falkirk Wheel looks amazing.

Another site listed the reason for using such a railroad type of conveyance
as a means to avoid letting a type of lamprey migrate from one body of water
to another:

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/big_chute_ontario.htm

-Bill Kearney

Very interesting. Thanks, Bill!
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***** Hope your day is great! *****
******************************************

John