"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in
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Douglas Frederick
128 Village Dr
Gatlinburg, Tn

Your turn.



You must be lonely. Why else would you CROSSPOST your name and address
to ....
.... FIVE FRIGGIN' NEWSGROUPS!?

Eisboch

Maybe because I've just never been worries about low life stalkers like
you?

I've posted my name, address and phone number (not -1- call) on the
internet for ten years.

It's only the paranoid and Dungeons&Dragons types like you that are
terrified.

On the other newsgroup I frequent, where humans also actually see natural
light, I've met over 90 members in 11 states (coast to coast) to scuba
dive.


So, it's necessary for you to crosspost to five newsgroups?

Eisboch

"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:43:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Most of the 10,000,000 just want that anyway.

Its actually closer to 30,000,000 and they now make up between 20 and
25% of our prison and jail populations.

Seems they do want to just get some bucks..and kill some people, and
rape some folks, and....

Gunner

So, they're just like everyone else.

Are those your desires? Not mine.

Gunner

Clarification: A given percentage of any population will share certain
characteristics. Certain dolts want to believe that illegal immigrants are
made up of a higher percentage of *****VIOLENT CRIMINALS*****. These dolts
have no information to back this up. But, in this way, this sample
population is the same as any other.

On the other hand..certain other dolts think that those criminals who
have violated our laws by simply being here..and who use the border as
a get out of jail free card..are equally as violent as the US
population. Which is not true.

Tell you what..how about providing cites to your claim that illegals
are as violent as citizens. Say..per hundred thousand?

Ill be waiting for your cites. With my own, both from the DOJ, the FBI
and the Border Patrol , not to mention LA and San Diego Counties.

Whenever you are ready..prove your claim.

Gunner

Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

Actually, I did look it up, Gunner.

According to the DOJ's 2003 stats, there were 2084097 people in federal,
state, and local detention
The GAO says 304168 were illegals

That's 14.6% considerably less than your 20-25%.

As far as arrests;
The GAO lists 21% of illegal alien offences were immigration related.

Violent crimes (assault, robbery, sex offence, homicide and kidnapping)
accounted for 11.5% of their offences. Roughly the same as the FBI's overall
national rate for the same period.
(note the GAO's numbers include prostitution with sex offenses and do not
separate out the different classes of assault like the FBI stats do)

In fact, if your 30,000,000 illegal population figure are correct, That
works out to 290 violent crimes per 100000. Considerably less than the 476
national average.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/03cius.htm
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05646r.pdf
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html

Paul K. Dickman

"Paul K. Dickman" wrote in message
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"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:43:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Most of the 10,000,000 just want that anyway.

Its actually closer to 30,000,000 and they now make up between 20 and
25% of our prison and jail populations.

Seems they do want to just get some bucks..and kill some people, and
rape some folks, and....

Gunner

So, they're just like everyone else.

Are those your desires? Not mine.

Gunner

Clarification: A given percentage of any population will share certain
characteristics. Certain dolts want to believe that illegal immigrants
are
made up of a higher percentage of *****VIOLENT CRIMINALS*****. These
dolts
have no information to back this up. But, in this way, this sample
population is the same as any other.

On the other hand..certain other dolts think that those criminals who
have violated our laws by simply being here..and who use the border as
a get out of jail free card..are equally as violent as the US
population. Which is not true.

Tell you what..how about providing cites to your claim that illegals
are as violent as citizens. Say..per hundred thousand?

Ill be waiting for your cites. With my own, both from the DOJ, the FBI
and the Border Patrol , not to mention LA and San Diego Counties.

Whenever you are ready..prove your claim.

Gunner

Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

Actually, I did look it up, Gunner.

According to the DOJ's 2003 stats, there were 2084097 people in federal,
state, and local detention
The GAO says 304168 were illegals

That's 14.6% considerably less than your 20-25%.

As far as arrests;
The GAO lists 21% of illegal alien offences were immigration related.

Violent crimes (assault, robbery, sex offence, homicide and kidnapping)
accounted for 11.5% of their offences. Roughly the same as the FBI's
overall national rate for the same period.
(note the GAO's numbers include prostitution with sex offenses and do not
separate out the different classes of assault like the FBI stats do)

In fact, if your 30,000,000 illegal population figure are correct, That
works out to 290 violent crimes per 100000. Considerably less than the 476
national average.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/03cius.htm
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05646r.pdf
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html

Paul K. Dickman

Please refrain from bringing facts to this discussion, Paul. It causes
chaos.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in
message ...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote
in message ...

Douglas Frederick
128 Village Dr
Gatlinburg, Tn

Your turn.



You must be lonely. Why else would you CROSSPOST your name and address
to ....
.... FIVE FRIGGIN' NEWSGROUPS!?

Eisboch

Maybe because I've just never been worries about low life stalkers like
you?

I've posted my name, address and phone number (not -1- call) on the
internet for ten years.

It's only the paranoid and Dungeons&Dragons types like you that are
terrified.

On the other newsgroup I frequent, where humans also actually see
natural light, I've met over 90 members in 11 states (coast to coast) to
scuba dive.


So, it's necessary for you to crosspost to five newsgroups?

That's where the thread is, Dude.

Why bother cutting the other four?

"Paul K. Dickman" wrote in message
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"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:43:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Most of the 10,000,000 just want that anyway.

Its actually closer to 30,000,000 and they now make up between 20 and
25% of our prison and jail populations.

Seems they do want to just get some bucks..and kill some people, and
rape some folks, and....

Gunner

So, they're just like everyone else.

Are those your desires? Not mine.

Gunner

Clarification: A given percentage of any population will share certain
characteristics. Certain dolts want to believe that illegal immigrants
are
made up of a higher percentage of *****VIOLENT CRIMINALS*****. These
dolts
have no information to back this up. But, in this way, this sample
population is the same as any other.

On the other hand..certain other dolts think that those criminals who
have violated our laws by simply being here..and who use the border as
a get out of jail free card..are equally as violent as the US
population. Which is not true.

Tell you what..how about providing cites to your claim that illegals
are as violent as citizens. Say..per hundred thousand?

Ill be waiting for your cites. With my own, both from the DOJ, the FBI
and the Border Patrol , not to mention LA and San Diego Counties.

Whenever you are ready..prove your claim.

Gunner

Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

Actually, I did look it up, Gunner.

According to the DOJ's 2003 stats, there were 2084097 people in federal,
state, and local detention
The GAO says 304168 were illegals

That's 14.6% considerably less than your 20-25%.

As far as arrests;
The GAO lists 21% of illegal alien offences were immigration related.

Violent crimes (assault, robbery, sex offence, homicide and kidnapping)
accounted for 11.5% of their offences. Roughly the same as the FBI's
overall national rate for the same period.
(note the GAO's numbers include prostitution with sex offenses and do not
separate out the different classes of assault like the FBI stats do)

In fact, if your 30,000,000 illegal population figure are correct, That
works out to 290 violent crimes per 100000. Considerably less than the 476
national average.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/03cius.htm
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05646r.pdf
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html

Paul K. Dickman

cough

:-)

Gunner wrote:

Of course its wrong. The subject is illegal aliens. The fact that
some are brown is not germane

Do you really think there would be nearly as much an outrage against
illegals if they were all English-speaking Canadians?

The fact is that color, culture, and language are germane to the
immigration issue because not everybody is as enlightened and liberal
as you are.

Paul K. Dickman wrote:

In fact, if your 30,000,000 illegal population figure are correct, That
works out to 290 violent crimes per 100000. Considerably less than the 476
national average.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/03cius.htm
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05646r.pdf
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html

The statistics I've seen support what you've stated, and even for crime
overall (violent and nonviolent), illegals seem to commit them at half
the average rate. Actually they may be even better than that, once you
consider that they're more likely to live in high-crime areas.

Doesn't it occur to him that illegals have a very strong economic
incentive to stay out of trouble? The typical illegal from Mexico
just wants to work here for ten years and then go back to Mexico and
live in a nice house staffed by a maid and nanny. Maybe 5% of them
already have maids back home.

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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So, it's necessary for you to crosspost to five newsgroups?


That's where the thread is, Dude.

Why bother cutting the other four?


Dude? DUDE?

Eisboch

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

Im still waiting for those cites to prove the claims of the pro
illegals.

Tell ya what Homey, why don't YOU prove YOUR assertion FIRST and we'll
go from there?

I asked first. Double dog dare you.."homeboy"

No you didn't. You made your claim, one of us said "Cite?"

Y'know.

Wahts really funny about this whole thread is that "Tedor.." , just
like "Fred",started this thread with the usual cross-posting, and did
you notice that "Tedor.." , like "Fred" hasn't
been in here to comment on the thread that "Tedor.." himself started.

Sort of like the behavior pattern of those who start some rukus, then
back out like saying "well, don't blame me..."

Or a crap slinger with the process of something like: "Hey! lets you
and him fight!"

Sure enough, it looks like "Tedor.." , just like "Fred", got the
results he was probably looking for....

A genuine free-for-all.

Adda-boy "Tedor..." !