On 25 Oct 2006 12:33:18 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


JohnH wrote:

How we do jump to conclusions!

I made no political statement of any kind.

However, if some liberal person decided to climb my frame for posting a
"rosey" report on the health of the economy and therefore promoting or
defending the current administration- he or she would have just as much
basis to call this a pro-Bush political post as you and JimH have to
say it was an anti-Bush political post.

Fact is, it wasn't a political post.

Now, one could turn it into a political post by noting that John Snow's
old futures trading firm
probably contributed 50-cent to last summer's run up in fuel prices by
buying up oil futures at a lot of crazy prices at the same time the
government was filling the strategic reserve. That same point would
continue with the observation that selling those same futures, at the
same time the government is releasing crude from the strategic reserve,
makes a 50-cent difference in the other direction- or a swing of about
a buck a gallon.

OR! To Be Entirely Fair!...............

One could turn it into a political post by noting that Bush's economic
policies have been so beneficial to the US that despite staggering
prices at the fuel pump, less-than-encouraging news on the Iraq and
Afghanistan foreign policy initiatives, rising interest rates,
stabilized or falling home prices, etc etc etc......people still have
enough throw away money to go out and buy a new boat.

So, it wasn't a political post. If it had been, you have no evidence,
(within that specific post), which side of the argument I would have
championed. (I'll concede that my politics are probably well enough
known that you could make a safe and educated guess).

So, my conservative friends, please consider that incidental remark
something less than the
"meat" of the post and rejoice that even a person with my particular
political perspective knows a robust economy (at least in this region)
when he sees one. If you want to give credit for that economy to the
currently sitting president and his congressional majority, that's OK
with me; heck, I once heard about a guy who fell into an outhouse and
found a Rolex. :-)

ps. I don't receive jimmh's posts.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 11:50:20 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

New boat sales:

The greatest change in unit volume was in the smallest boat category of
under 10 -feet.
3Q05 was 871 units, 3Q06 was 975 units

Thanks - interesting.

Is this nationwide?
--

I don't have figures that are as current or as reliable for the entire
country. The WA state numbers are based upon sales reported to the DMV
for boat registration purposes, and the data is collected by a
non-profit organization call Sea Grant. I have a strong faith that the
WA state numbers in this report are very accurate.

Even though we talk about a "national" economy, most of the time it's
more accurately a connected series of regional economies. Up here in
the NW we tend to be contrarian- we often do pretty well when a lot of
the rest of the country is cooling off, and we have been known to be on
our collective enomonic butts around here while everybody else is
cutting a phat hog.

An equally accurate national survey would probably find pockets like
ours where boat sales are holding up fairly well or even increasing in
most categories. There may some places still relying on the ever
dwindling industrially based and manufacturing economic model where
there is less reason for optimism and a bit more "caution" in play.

Few people will splurge for an expensive luxury, like a new boat, if
they feel apprehensive about future income and employment. The majority
of people I encounter every day are not very apprehensive.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...


It's interesting to note that these figures are for the 3rd quarter;
before the election season rollback of gas and diesel prices really
began.

He then said:


I made no political statement of any kind.

However, if some liberal person decided to climb my frame for posting a
"rosey" report on the health of the economy and therefore promoting or
defending the current administration- he or she would have just as much
basis to call this a pro-Bush political post as you and JimH have to
say it was an anti-Bush political post.

Now, one could turn it into a political post by noting that John Snow's
old futures trading firm
probably contributed 50-cent to last summer's run up in fuel prices by
buying up oil futures at a lot of crazy prices at the same time the
government was filling the strategic reserve. That same point would
continue with the observation that selling those same futures, at the
same time the government is releasing crude from the strategic reserve,
makes a 50-cent difference in the other direction- or a swing of about
a buck a gallon.

OR! To Be Entirely Fair!...............

One could turn it into a political post by noting that Bush's economic
policies have been so beneficial to the US that despite staggering
prices at the fuel pump, less-than-encouraging news on the Iraq and
Afghanistan foreign policy initiatives, rising interest rates,
stabilized or falling home prices, etc etc etc......people still have
enough throw away money to go out and buy a new boat.

If you want to give credit for that economy to the
currently sitting president and his congressional majority, that's OK
with me; heck, I once heard about a guy who fell into an outhouse and
found a Rolex. :-)


ROTF!! I believe you said you were once a used car salesman. Based on the
spin you just posted you must have made a fortune during that span of your
professional career.

Time to move on, but please try to practice what you preach Chuck. ;-)

And thanks for the good laugh!

JimH wrote:


ROTF!! I believe you said you were once a used car salesman. Based on the
spin you just posted you must have made a fortune during that span of your
professional career.

Guilty as charged. As well as a new car salesperson, sales manager, GM,
and managing partner in a new car dealership. I was fairly good at the
trade, and "fortune" is a relative term. :-)




Time to move on, but please try to practice what you preach Chuck. ;-)

And thanks for the good laugh!

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
I guess it just goes to show that we boaters, (who pursue a pastime
that doesn't make any financial sense) will not be deterred when a
single element, such as the price of fuel, makes less sense than ever.

It's interesting to note that these figures are for the 3rd quarter;
before the election season rollback of gas and diesel prices really
began.

Why the need to politicize this Chuck?

????????????

Is there some question about, or is it somehow a matter of "political
opinion", that fuel prices
are dropping and that an election is imminent?

It's a simple statement of fact that 3rd quarter boat sales were strong
despite the fact that for most of the 3rd quarter there was no relief
from high fuel prices in sight.

It's also a simple fact that for generations incumbent politicians from
both parties have "jawboned" to the best of their ability to frame the
economy in the best possible light
pior to a major election.

Why the need to pull one line out of context and ignore the rest of the
message?


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Get it?

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On 25 Oct 2006 12:33:18 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


JohnH wrote:

How we do jump to conclusions!

I made no political statement of any kind.

However, if some liberal person decided to climb my frame for posting a
"rosey" report on the health of the economy and therefore promoting or
defending the current administration- he or she would have just as much
basis to call this a pro-Bush political post as you and JimH have to
say it was an anti-Bush political post.

Fact is, it wasn't a political post.

You are correct! It was not a political post. It was a boating post with a
little political jibe unnecessarily thrown in.

Actually he was wrong. Referring to his conservative friends. At least
Bassy is not conservative. And not sure about the friendship part either.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 11:50:20 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

New boat sales:

The greatest change in unit volume was in the smallest boat category of
under 10 -feet.
3Q05 was 871 units, 3Q06 was 975 units

Thanks - interesting.

Is this nationwide?
--

I don't have figures that are as current or as reliable for the entire
country. The WA state numbers are based upon sales reported to the DMV
for boat registration purposes, and the data is collected by a
non-profit organization call Sea Grant. I have a strong faith that the
WA state numbers in this report are very accurate.

Even though we talk about a "national" economy, most of the time it's
more accurately a connected series of regional economies. Up here in
the NW we tend to be contrarian- we often do pretty well when a lot of
the rest of the country is cooling off, and we have been known to be on
our collective enomonic butts around here while everybody else is
cutting a phat hog.

An equally accurate national survey would probably find pockets like
ours where boat sales are holding up fairly well or even increasing in
most categories. There may some places still relying on the ever
dwindling industrially based and manufacturing economic model where
there is less reason for optimism and a bit more "caution" in play.

Few people will splurge for an expensive luxury, like a new boat, if
they feel apprehensive about future income and employment. The majority
of people I encounter every day are not very apprehensive.


Seeing the change in under 10'. Do they report kayak sales to the DMV?
That is one of the few catagories of boat under 10' where there would be
large numbers of sales.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:46:56 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

Seeing the change in under 10'. Do they report kayak sales to the DMV?
That is one of the few catagories of boat under 10' where there would be
large numbers of sales.

I was guessing inflatables with an outboard. Most states do not
require registration for unpowered craft.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:46:56 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

Seeing the change in under 10'. Do they report kayak sales to the DMV?
That is one of the few catagories of boat under 10' where there would be
large numbers of sales.

I was guessing inflatables with an outboard. Most states do not
require registration for unpowered craft.

And that is the case in Washington. If you don't hang a motor on it,
you can have a 60-foot rowboat and pay no registration fees.

PWC's are included in the "under 10-foot" category, but I have no
evidence that PWC sales are up. A lot of people say, "Been there, done
that," and the glitz is now off the fad.

JimH wrote:


DO NOT VOTE FOR ANY DEMOCRATS.

"This Basic Boating Safety Course gives only the minimum requirements for
safety equipment and general information. To obtain a greater knowledge of
boating skills and seamanship we encourage you to attend more in-depth
boating courses."

For more information go to:http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/boating/
================================================== ======

Get it?

Omigosh, JimH! Are you suggesting that my casual observation that fuel
prices have been declining as the election approaches is some sort of
statement advising people not to vote for any Republicans?

How in the world did you arrive at that interpretation? After all,
aren't the Republicans overseeing this current, miraculous, nosedive in
fuel prices? I would think the average American would be grateful to
the Republicans for reducing the price of gas. Right?

You're barking up the wrong tree on this one.