JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:35:08 -0400, Harry Krause
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On 10/27/2006 9:23 AM, Jeff Rigby wrote:

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Eisboch wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Now I ask you - why does the town of Putnam need one big corporate
supported coffee, muffin/pastry/donut shop per 766 people?

Seriously.

Over staffed police department?

Eisboch

My god you yankees eat a lot of donuts. Here in Tallahassee (roughly
200,000 people), we have only a single Krispy Kreme and the two Dunkin
Donuts places closed. I preferred Dunkin and will not eat Krispy
kreme.


http://tinyurl.com/v2a3z

I prefer Dunkin doughnut but I quit going there because their doughnuts
tasted like an ashtray. They have a coffe shop (people smoke) where
they
store their doughnuts (uncovered). They have since gone out of
business,
too late for the state law banning smoking in places that serve food to
have
an effect on my eating habits.


Fortunately in Maryland most restaurants have banned smoking. One diner
we visit up in Annapolis has a smoking section, but it literally is
behind glass doors that seal tightly.

We have a nice Italian restaurant in our area that used to allow smokers
in one section, but the owner listened to complaints, shut down the
smoking section and then re-decorated it to get rid of the stench.

There's nothing worse than trying to enjoy a meal and encountering the
stench created by smokers and their filthy habit.

Talk about tyranny of the minority.

~~ sheesh ~~

Oddly, I feel the same way about loud, obnoxious drunks in
restaurants. I think we ought to ban the sales of alcohol in all
restaurants.



I enjoy a glass or 2 of wine with my meal when eating out, as does my wife.
Sometime I have a couple of beers instead, depending on the meal. Your
attitude on this is "I don't drink and no one else should!" You are also
basing your opinion on the actions of a few yet imposing your restriction on
everyone.

And as you know, it will never happen.



Think of the lives that would save. It would help rid the world of
drinkers and their brain addling, liver killing, drunken driving
addiction.
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"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004



I hope you don't light up those stinky cigars inside restaurants or other
buildings. ;-)


Hell.. his wife won't even let him smoke those stinky cigars inside his
home.

"Don White" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:35:08 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


On 10/27/2006 9:23 AM, Jeff Rigby wrote:

" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
legroups.com...

Eisboch wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Now I ask you - why does the town of Putnam need one big corporate
supported coffee, muffin/pastry/donut shop per 766 people?

Seriously.

Over staffed police department?

Eisboch

My god you yankees eat a lot of donuts. Here in Tallahassee (roughly
200,000 people), we have only a single Krispy Kreme and the two
Dunkin
Donuts places closed. I preferred Dunkin and will not eat Krispy
kreme.


http://tinyurl.com/v2a3z

I prefer Dunkin doughnut but I quit going there because their doughnuts
tasted like an ashtray. They have a coffe shop (people smoke) where
they
store their doughnuts (uncovered). They have since gone out of
business,
too late for the state law banning smoking in places that serve food to
have
an effect on my eating habits.


Fortunately in Maryland most restaurants have banned smoking. One diner
we visit up in Annapolis has a smoking section, but it literally is
behind glass doors that seal tightly.

We have a nice Italian restaurant in our area that used to allow smokers
in one section, but the owner listened to complaints, shut down the
smoking section and then re-decorated it to get rid of the stench.

There's nothing worse than trying to enjoy a meal and encountering the
stench created by smokers and their filthy habit.

Talk about tyranny of the minority.

~~ sheesh ~~

Oddly, I feel the same way about loud, obnoxious drunks in
restaurants. I think we ought to ban the sales of alcohol in all
restaurants.



I enjoy a glass or 2 of wine with my meal when eating out, as does my
wife. Sometime I have a couple of beers instead, depending on the meal.
Your attitude on this is "I don't drink and no one else should!" You
are also basing your opinion on the actions of a few yet imposing your
restriction on everyone.

And as you know, it will never happen.



Think of the lives that would save. It would help rid the world of
drinkers and their brain addling, liver killing, drunken driving
addiction.
--

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004



I hope you don't light up those stinky cigars inside restaurants or other
buildings. ;-)
Hell.. his wife won't even let him smoke those stinky cigars inside his
home.

She is obviously a very smart lady.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:44:07 -0400, DSK wrote:

Oddly, I feel the same way about loud, obnoxious drunks in
restaurants.

Or loud obnoxious drunks anywhere. IMHO people who get
obnoxiously drunk should be pushed face down in a ditch,
shot, and left there as an example to others.

Probably wouldn't take long to solve this societal problem.

BOOYA!!!

Let's do it!!!
--

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I enjoy the
dividends.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I enjoy the
dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.
--
I'll bet you're wrong.

By the way, you can't partition off just cigars, unless you do the same
with alcohol, like compare cigar related deaths to, say, gin related
deaths.

http://tiki.oneworld.net/pollution/smoking.html

says that 434,000 people die each year from smoking in the U.S and
60,000 die each year from second hand smoke.

Then this site puts alcohol deaths at 100,000:

http://www.bookmark-manager.com/permalink-41

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I enjoy
the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has nothing to
do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the burning tobacco
creates and the health hazards transmitted by second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking," either on
their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's the smart thing
to do.

Now, if we could only get parents to control their crying little brats
while they're in restaurants.

Amen to that!

When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a babysitter.
It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not subject the folks
in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I enjoy the
dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.
Tom,
As a former smoker I always thought smoking was an enjoyable, filthy,
unhealthy habit. I understood non smokers who did not want to smell or
inhale 2nd hand smoke. Since the mid 80's I only smoked outside and
tried to make sure it was not blowing towards non smokers.

Even if 2nd hand smoke was not proven to unhealthy, the smell alone is
offensive to non cigar smokers, even cigarette smokers.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I enjoy
the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has nothing to
do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the burning tobacco
creates and the health hazards transmitted by second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking," either on
their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's the smart thing
to do.

My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very close
together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the smoke was
basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the enjoyment of food,
so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could either put it out, or go to
the bar, since they were done eating anyway. The guy just said "No". My dad
asked him again, politely. Again "No". My dad got up, snatched the cigar out
of the guy's hand, dunked it into his water glass, said "Thanks very much",
and sat down. Cigar boy left.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


Tom,
As a former smoker I always thought smoking was an enjoyable, filthy,
unhealthy habit. I understood non smokers who did not want to smell or
inhale 2nd hand smoke. Since the mid 80's I only smoked outside and tried
to make sure it was not blowing towards non smokers.

Even if 2nd hand smoke was not proven to unhealthy, the smell alone is
offensive to non cigar smokers, even cigarette smokers.


old soldiers never die; they just fade away

Eisboch

Harry Krause wrote:
On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has nothing
to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the burning
tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by second-hand smoke.

I agree with the stench.

The second-hand smoke issue is still up for debate.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking," either
on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's the smart
thing to do.

Smart is subjective. What is objective is that you patrons can taste the
food rather than the lingering smoke.

Now, if we could only get parents to control their crying little brats
while they're in restaurants.

I enjoy crying little brats in restaurants as long as they are not mine.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.
Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.

The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has nothing
to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the burning
tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking," either
on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's the smart
thing to do.

Now, if we could only get parents to control their crying little brats
while they're in restaurants.

Amen to that!

When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.


My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.

We just talked to my son and kept him busy with food. He'd already learned
that food which came from us was tasty, so I guess it didn't matter where we
were. The equation was always true: table + food + parents = yum. The only
borderline episode I recall was when he gave some lady that hilarious
toothless smile that babies do, and she couldn't take it any more. She
started laughing and gagging and almost blew coffee out of her nose. That
was her fault. She shouldn't have looked. :-)