Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:39:06 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I have a distant relative ... Aunt, I think, who married a cattle raiser.
The have a small farm in northwest Florida. His specialty is raising cattle
that are fed all organic feed, no chemicals, etc. I visited them on my way
to Florida last fall and they grilled up one of the steaks from a recent
slaughter.

It was horrible tasting. He was beaming with pride and kept asking me, "Did
you ever have a steak that tasted like that?"

I answered honestly ... no I never had.

Yuk

Did you notice that the organic grass fed cattle all taste like grass?

I'm serious. :)

My preference is corn fed beef watered with bourbon or Merlot.

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Bored today huh? :)



Well, it's been pouring rain and blowing like crazy. Been out a couple of
times to tighten up the lines on my and a few other boats. Nylon lines
stretch quite a bit, I've found.
We lost power a couple of times. I went down in the cabin to take a snooze,
but every time I got comfortable a blast of wind would hit and I could see
through one of the cabin portholes that the boat beside me moving *very*
quickly in my direction and I'd jump back up to check everything again.

Wind and rain have subsided now. The forecast calls for the winds to pick
up again from the west on Sunday, but I think the worst is over.

Eisboch

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:16:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:
When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.

My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.
When you were 2?
What's so odd about that? My son caused no problems in restaurants at
that age. He yacked a lot, but he was rarely loud. No tantrums, no crying
and screaming. But, his nap vs fun schedule was easy to work around. We
knew when he normally got tired & cranky, and tried to avoid taking him
out at those times. Some parents are too dumb to spot the pattern.
Maybe you just did not notice it. When I am in an upscale restaurant for
a later evening meal that is costing me in the range of a $100 I do not
want someone's child inflicted on me. I paid for babysitters when they
were young and there are appropriate places to take you child to for
dinner, but not at 9 pm and the Carnelian room.
If the kid's sounds are no louder than that of the adults, what is the
issue? You don't want to see babies?

I'll admit it straight up - I don't like babies.

One of the major disagreements we had concerning adoption was babies
or older children.

I won. :)

And, being totally frank, I am not a very patient man and I don't have
the instincts to determine exactly what or why a baby does what it
does. I admit it, I understand it and I avoid it. It's part of who I
am.

On the other hand, older children were much easier to deal with, talk
to, discipline and be consistent with.

It's all a matter of perspective.

I hope you gave them some cigars.

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On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I enjoy
the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has nothing to
do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the burning tobacco
creates and the health hazards transmitted by second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking," either on
their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's the smart thing
to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very close
together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the smoke was
basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the enjoyment of food,
so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could either put it out, or go to
the bar, since they were done eating anyway. The guy just said "No". My dad
asked him again, politely. Again "No". My dad got up, snatched the cigar out
of the guy's hand, dunked it into his water glass, said "Thanks very much",
and sat down. Cigar boy left.



Sure he did.

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Bored today huh? :)



Well, it's been pouring rain and blowing like crazy. Been out a couple of
times to tighten up the lines on my and a few other boats. Nylon lines
stretch quite a bit, I've found.
We lost power a couple of times. I went down in the cabin to take a
snooze, but every time I got comfortable a blast of wind would hit and I
could see through one of the cabin portholes that the boat beside me
moving *very* quickly in my direction and I'd jump back up to check
everything again.

Wind and rain have subsided now. The forecast calls for the winds to pick
up again from the west on Sunday, but I think the worst is over.

Eisboch


I go twice a year to get checked and have the little buggers removed. Dr.
Dang says most of the damage was done in my early years.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot
more
people than cigars do.
Tom,
As a former smoker I always thought smoking was an enjoyable, filthy,
unhealthy habit. I understood non smokers who did not want to smell
or inhale 2nd hand smoke. Since the mid 80's I only smoked outside
and tried to make sure it was not blowing towards non smokers.

Even if 2nd hand smoke was not proven to unhealthy, the smell alone is
offensive to non cigar smokers, even cigarette smokers.


Even if smoking is deadly, it is a free choice item. I can and do
enjoy it being banned from the workplace and bars and dining
establishments here in California. But this is supposed to be a free
country. If you want to smoke in your house, or car, you should be
able to. Ballot measure this election to put a $2.60 tax per pack of
ciggies. F'n do gooders. They say it will cut smoking, and 80% will
go to hospitals for payment of healthcare costs. It is still some
fanatic group enforcing their mores on another group. Short Wave is a
health care basket case from what I understand, but it is his choice to
smoke. I used to race cars, also can be unhealthy, but it is still an
action of free (well expensive) choice.


Here (NY), when the tax jumped in a big way, the two major manufacturers
apparently had enough room in their margins to whack the price. They're
still about five bucks a pack. Predictions were around seven. Never
happened.


But is not right for the government to decide to control some behaviors
via taxation while favoring others. Where the hell is the freedom of
choice? Some extremist group (like PETA?) gets the majority of congress
people bought and passes a $50 a fish caught tax. You still happy with
that? You are in the grocery business, Carbs are bad for you, so a tax
of $0.03 an ounce is placed on carbs. You going to cut your prices. And
why should the private company have to cut prices to offset a tax?


I didn't say I was happy with the tax idea. I simply said that in some
cases, it may have no final effect on the price.


$2.60 a pack tax. No affect on price?

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy
the
dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent
lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot
more
people than cigars do.
--
I'll bet you're wrong.

By the way, you can't partition off just cigars, unless you do the
same
with alcohol, like compare cigar related deaths to, say, gin related
deaths.

http://tiki.oneworld.net/pollution/smoking.html

says that 434,000 people die each year from smoking in the U.S and
60,000 die each year from second hand smoke.

Then this site puts alcohol deaths at 100,000:

http://www.bookmark-manager.com/permalink-41


And I think they are full of it, to claim 60k deaths from second hand
smoke.
If that was true, you would have a heck of a lot more than 434k dead
from
direct injection. I one of those numbers that activitists can throw
out
and
feel good, and hard to prove otherwise.

No those figures are pretty accurate. They don't just dream them up, as
you think. Statistics is an interesting field, and if you think that
they just come up with numbers off the top of their head, you are sadly
mistaken.


There is so much controversy on 2nd hand illnesses. My buddy smoked, he
is
healthy but his wife got breast cancer. Is that a 2nd hand effect?

Could be.


Could be or may not be. But that is the problem with the statistics.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.


Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.

Tom,
As a former smoker I always thought smoking was an enjoyable, filthy,
unhealthy habit. I understood non smokers who did not want to smell or
inhale 2nd hand smoke. Since the mid 80's I only smoked outside and
tried to make sure it was not blowing towards non smokers.

Even if 2nd hand smoke was not proven to unhealthy, the smell alone is
offensive to non cigar smokers, even cigarette smokers.

The thing I could never understand are those cigar clubs.
Can you imagine being in a room with a couple dozen people smoking all
different brands of stinky cigars? I'd probably puke on their shoes.

Were you forced to enter and smell the ....?

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On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has nothing
to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the burning
tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking," either on
their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's the smart thing
to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very close
together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the smoke was
basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the enjoyment of
food, so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could either put it out, or
go to the bar, since they were done eating anyway. The guy just said
"No". My dad asked him again, politely. Again "No". My dad got up,
snatched the cigar out of the guy's hand, dunked it into his water glass,
said "Thanks very much", and sat down. Cigar boy left.

Sure he did.

You were there? Theresa's Restaurant, Glen Cove NY. Probably 1967-ish.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot
more
people than cigars do.
Tom,
As a former smoker I always thought smoking was an enjoyable, filthy,
unhealthy habit. I understood non smokers who did not want to smell
or inhale 2nd hand smoke. Since the mid 80's I only smoked outside
and tried to make sure it was not blowing towards non smokers.

Even if 2nd hand smoke was not proven to unhealthy, the smell alone
is offensive to non cigar smokers, even cigarette smokers.


Even if smoking is deadly, it is a free choice item. I can and do
enjoy it being banned from the workplace and bars and dining
establishments here in California. But this is supposed to be a free
country. If you want to smoke in your house, or car, you should be
able to. Ballot measure this election to put a $2.60 tax per pack of
ciggies. F'n do gooders. They say it will cut smoking, and 80% will
go to hospitals for payment of healthcare costs. It is still some
fanatic group enforcing their mores on another group. Short Wave is a
health care basket case from what I understand, but it is his choice
to smoke. I used to race cars, also can be unhealthy, but it is still
an action of free (well expensive) choice.


Here (NY), when the tax jumped in a big way, the two major
manufacturers apparently had enough room in their margins to whack the
price. They're still about five bucks a pack. Predictions were around
seven. Never happened.


But is not right for the government to decide to control some behaviors
via taxation while favoring others. Where the hell is the freedom of
choice? Some extremist group (like PETA?) gets the majority of congress
people bought and passes a $50 a fish caught tax. You still happy with
that? You are in the grocery business, Carbs are bad for you, so a tax
of $0.03 an ounce is placed on carbs. You going to cut your prices. And
why should the private company have to cut prices to offset a tax?


I didn't say I was happy with the tax idea. I simply said that in some
cases, it may have no final effect on the price.


$2.60 a pack tax. No affect on price?


Before the ***LATEST*** tax increase, they were $4.25-ish. After, they were
in the sixes. That lasted a month or two, at which point, they settled down
to $4.85-$5.25. Since the govmint didn't decrease their meddling, it's clear
that the big drop came from manufacturers. I know a C-store owner. He's
described the pricing to me.