Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:07:21 GMT, Dan
wrote:


basskisser wrote:


Dan wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:



On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:49:51 GMT, Dan
wrote:




Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:




On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:25:50 GMT, Dan
wrote:





I need to get a new tow vehicle that I can also use for the daily
commute and I've narrowed it down to two but that could always change.

'07 BMW X5 4.8 (limited info out right now)

or

'07 MB GL450

Any thoughts? I have an '04 X5 4.4 right now. I've never had a
Mercedes but I am impressed with what I see in the GL.

Jumpin' Tree Frogs...

And I'm bitchin about the price of a 2006 F-250 diesel!! :)

There isn't that much of a difference!


I suppose if you consider $20,000 dollar difference minor. :)

What's that GL450 run nowadays.

A Ford F-250 base model is nearly $51,000 depending on the


specific model.

Bull****!!!!!

Kevin has come to play. Obsessed???

I just "built" a fully loaded F-250 on ford.com and the MSRP came to
$54,065. It was almost $51K before options. To help you with the math,
that is only $1610.00 less than the Mercedes Benz GL450 base model. Now
start spinning my post...


I'm not going to spin, but I've got to believe that there is some kind
of problem here.

The F-250 4X4 I just dealer priced, XLT, tow package, plow package,
extra cab, eight foot bed, liner, auto trans, fabric interior came to
$34,745 before trade on my truck. They have a diesel for $37,950,
same package. We're still arguing over what my truck is worth.

That's a fact and I can scan both truck's spec sheets.

Now I don't know where you got $54,065, but that ain't anywhere near
$34,745 or $37,950 and from what I can gather, we priced similar
trucks.

http://www.ford.com is the source. I also have a customer who spent
that kind of money on an F-250. It's the H-D edition plus options.
We're not comparing vehicles here since they obviously are not
competitors for the same market. The "challenge", if you want to call
it that, was that a F250 could (or couldn't) run into the $50K range.
Kevin managed to hit about 15 keys and hit send without checking it out.

Before the resident hot head jumps in and delicately edits my post, I
clearly said "A Ford F-250 base model is nearly $51,000 depending on the
specific model."

Dan

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:58:02 GMT, Dan
wrote:


I just "built" a fully loaded F-250 on ford.com and the MSRP came to
$54,065. It was almost $51K before options. To help you with the math,
that is only $1610.00 less than the Mercedes Benz GL450 base model. Now
start spinning my post...




The F-250 4X4 I just dealer priced, XLT, tow package, plow package,
extra cab, eight foot bed, liner, auto trans, fabric interior came to
$34,745 before trade on my truck. They have a diesel for $37,950,
same package. We're still arguing over what my truck is worth.


http://www.ford.com is the source. I also have a customer who spent
that kind of money on an F-250. It's the H-D edition plus options.
We're not comparing vehicles here since they obviously are not
competitors for the same market. The "challenge", if you want to call
it that, was that a F250 could (or couldn't) run into the $50K range.
Kevin managed to hit about 15 keys and hit send without checking it out.


No problem - just trying to figure it out that's all. :)


My son and I both bought '05 Ford pickups last summer. His is a F-250 V10
gas XLT Crew Cab, nicely equipped with several options including Tow
Command. It's MSRP was right around 34K.

Mine is a F-350 diesel "Harley Edition" Crew Cab that is loaded up with
every option known to man ... all leather, front and rear buckets, 20" rims,
Tow Command, moonroof, heated seats, etc. plus the custom Harley interior
treatment and exterior paint. It's MSRP was just over 52K, but I paid
considerably less for it. I wasn't looking for a Harley edition but needed
the F-350's tow rating and it just happened to be the only truck available
in my area that was rated to tow a 15,500lb fifth-wheel trailer that I could
get quickly and without placing a factory order. Funny thing is that
regardless of the F-350's increased GVW, payload and towing capacity, the
only difference between it and a F-250 is the rear spring ratings and, of
course, the diesel.

So, everyone's correct.

BTW .... Shortwave .... I don't know if you are considering the gas V10.
It's a nice engine but my son's only complaint is the poor mileage ...
towing or not towing. He's lucky to get 10 mpg around town. Still, he
loves the truck and wouldn't even think of getting rid of it.

Eisboch

CalifBill wrote:

A Ford F-250 base model is nearly $51,000 depending on the
specific model.

Bull****!!!!!


May be close to that list price. My 2004 Silverado HD LT 4x4 Diesel was
list about $47k.

Did you just possibly happen to read "base model"??? Do you ever get
tired of being wrong?
Here is an example, MSRP is $34k can be had for $30k, do you consider
THAT close to $51k?:

http://autos.yahoo.com/ford_truck_f_...t _styleside/

The King Ranch version is only $40k directly from Ford's website:
http://tinyurl.com/yyjm23

Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:

Dan wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:49:51 GMT, Dan
wrote:



Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:



On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:25:50 GMT, Dan
wrote:




I need to get a new tow vehicle that I can also use for the daily
commute and I've narrowed it down to two but that could always change.

'07 BMW X5 4.8 (limited info out right now)

or

'07 MB GL450

Any thoughts? I have an '04 X5 4.4 right now. I've never had a
Mercedes but I am impressed with what I see in the GL.

Jumpin' Tree Frogs...

And I'm bitchin about the price of a 2006 F-250 diesel!! :)

There isn't that much of a difference!


I suppose if you consider $20,000 dollar difference minor. :)

What's that GL450 run nowadays.

A Ford F-250 base model is nearly $51,000 depending on the

specific model.


Bull****!!!!!


Kevin has come to play. Obsessed???

I just "built" a fully loaded F-250 on ford.com and the MSRP came to
$54,065. It was almost $51K before options. To help you with the math,
that is only $1610.00 less than the Mercedes Benz GL450 base model. Now
start spinning my post...

I take it you were too stupid to see that the original poster said
"BASE MODEL"? On the build your own website, you can get the base model
for way under $30k. I don't have to spin your post seeing how you're
not bright enough to read. So, now you are obsessed with Kevin? Good,
you might leave me alone. You're getting like the pesky little gnat
just staying barely out of reach to get slapped down.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 03:28:38 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..


On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:58:02 GMT, Dan
wrote:


I just "built" a fully loaded F-250 on ford.com and the MSRP came to
$54,065. It was almost $51K before options. To help you with the math,
that is only $1610.00 less than the Mercedes Benz GL450 base model. Now
start spinning my post...



The F-250 4X4 I just dealer priced, XLT, tow package, plow package,
extra cab, eight foot bed, liner, auto trans, fabric interior came to
$34,745 before trade on my truck. They have a diesel for $37,950,
same package. We're still arguing over what my truck is worth.


http://www.ford.com is the source. I also have a customer who spent
that kind of money on an F-250. It's the H-D edition plus options.
We're not comparing vehicles here since they obviously are not
competitors for the same market. The "challenge", if you want to call
it that, was that a F250 could (or couldn't) run into the $50K range.
Kevin managed to hit about 15 keys and hit send without checking it out.


No problem - just trying to figure it out that's all. :)


My son and I both bought '05 Ford pickups last summer. His is a F-250 V10
gas XLT Crew Cab, nicely equipped with several options including Tow
Command. It's MSRP was right around 34K.

Mine is a F-350 diesel "Harley Edition" Crew Cab that is loaded up with
every option known to man ... all leather, front and rear buckets, 20" rims,
Tow Command, moonroof, heated seats, etc. plus the custom Harley interior
treatment and exterior paint. It's MSRP was just over 52K, but I paid
considerably less for it. I wasn't looking for a Harley edition but needed
the F-350's tow rating and it just happened to be the only truck available
in my area that was rated to tow a 15,500lb fifth-wheel trailer that I could
get quickly and without placing a factory order. Funny thing is that
regardless of the F-350's increased GVW, payload and towing capacity, the
only difference between it and a F-250 is the rear spring ratings and, of
course, the diesel.

So, everyone's correct.

BTW .... Shortwave .... I don't know if you are considering the gas V10.
It's a nice engine but my son's only complaint is the poor mileage ...
towing or not towing. He's lucky to get 10 mpg around town. Still, he
loves the truck and wouldn't even think of getting rid of it.


There are some construction guys here in town that have the V-10 and
they complain about the gas mileage all the time.

I'm staying away from the V-10.


Whats interesting in this thread is that while the Ford Price has taken
over as the lead issues. If the above is true There is no way to compair
a truck that can tow 15,000 lbs and one that tows 7500lbs ie Mercedes
Benz GL450. Or as the site says - Optional 7,500-pound towing capacity.

These are two totaly different markets here.

Capt Jack R.
Glad to be out of the towing business :-)

basskisser wrote:

CalifBill wrote:


A Ford F-250 base model is nearly $51,000 depending on the

specific model.

Bull****!!!!!


May be close to that list price. My 2004 Silverado HD LT 4x4 Diesel was
list about $47k.


Did you just possibly happen to read "base model"??? Do you ever get
tired of being wrong?
Here is an example, MSRP is $34k can be had for $30k, do you consider
THAT close to $51k?:

http://autos.yahoo.com/ford_truck_f_...t _styleside/

The King Ranch version is only $40k directly from Ford's website:
http://tinyurl.com/yyjm23


Who are you trying to reply to, Kevin? If it's CalifBill, your response
has nothing to do with his statement. If it's me, you are STILL wrong
and need to go to ford.com where you will find a base F250 for just
short of $51K. When you are done, admit that you are a liar or you
aren't a man. Where did *that* come from???

basskisser wrote:

Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:


Dan wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:



On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:49:51 GMT, Dan
wrote:




Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:




On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:25:50 GMT, Dan
wrote:





I need to get a new tow vehicle that I can also use for the daily
commute and I've narrowed it down to two but that could always change.

'07 BMW X5 4.8 (limited info out right now)

or

'07 MB GL450

Any thoughts? I have an '04 X5 4.4 right now. I've never had a
Mercedes but I am impressed with what I see in the GL.

Jumpin' Tree Frogs...

And I'm bitchin about the price of a 2006 F-250 diesel!! :)

There isn't that much of a difference!


I suppose if you consider $20,000 dollar difference minor. :)

What's that GL450 run nowadays.

A Ford F-250 base model is nearly $51,000 depending on the


specific model.


Bull****!!!!!


Kevin has come to play. Obsessed???

I just "built" a fully loaded F-250 on ford.com and the MSRP came to
$54,065. It was almost $51K before options. To help you with the math,
that is only $1610.00 less than the Mercedes Benz GL450 base model. Now
start spinning my post...


I take it you were too stupid to see that the original poster said
"BASE MODEL"? On the build your own website, you can get the base model
for way under $30k. I don't have to spin your post seeing how you're
not bright enough to read. So, now you are obsessed with Kevin? Good,
you might leave me alone. You're getting like the pesky little gnat
just staying barely out of reach to get slapped down.


Nice spin, but the original poster wasn't specific about anything but
the fact that it was a Ford F250. Of the several available I have no
idea which one he is considering. You seem to find it difficult to read
that I clearly said "depending on the specific model". Give up, moron,
you are WRONG.

Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:

CalifBill wrote:


A Ford F-250 base model is nearly $51,000 depending on the

specific model.

Bull****!!!!!


May be close to that list price. My 2004 Silverado HD LT 4x4 Diesel was
list about $47k.


Did you just possibly happen to read "base model"??? Do you ever get
tired of being wrong?
Here is an example, MSRP is $34k can be had for $30k, do you consider
THAT close to $51k?:

http://autos.yahoo.com/ford_truck_f_...t _styleside/

The King Ranch version is only $40k directly from Ford's website:
http://tinyurl.com/yyjm23


Who are you trying to reply to, Kevin? If it's CalifBill, your response
has nothing to do with his statement. If it's me, you are STILL wrong
and need to go to ford.com where you will find a base F250 for just
short of $51K. When you are done, admit that you are a liar or you
aren't a man. Where did *that* come from???

I'm not Kevin. And it's because you are a known liar. For instance, you
said that you've seen me both on CNN and in the AJC. Liar. Now, here is
a base 2007 for less than the $30k I stated:

http://tinyurl.com/y8zvpt

This is Ford's website, notice in the right hand corner that the first
two are less than 30k for a 2007, and the King Ranch addition is only
40k, as I've stated:

http://tinyurl.com/yk36a8

Here in Smyrna, GA, notice the MSRP is 27k to 53k. If you are any kind
of buyer, you never pay MSRP.

http://tinyurl.com/ycaogh

Another built from Ford's website for 23k:

http://tinyurl.com/yen57u

Autobytel four of them in different trim options from $20k to $26k

http://tinyurl.com/yj2mgk

From Edmund's website, showing MSRP for 2006 models at $22k to $38k:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/ford...rge/index.html

From Edmund's showing invoice price of a tad over $20k:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/ford...21/prices.html

So, I've shown you that a base model Ford F-250 2006 OR 2007 model is
nowhere near $51k.

You should be feeling pretty stupid by now....

Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:

Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:


Dan wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:



On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:49:51 GMT, Dan
wrote:




Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:




On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:25:50 GMT, Dan
wrote:





I need to get a new tow vehicle that I can also use for the daily
commute and I've narrowed it down to two but that could always change.

'07 BMW X5 4.8 (limited info out right now)

or

'07 MB GL450

Any thoughts? I have an '04 X5 4.4 right now. I've never had a
Mercedes but I am impressed with what I see in the GL.

Jumpin' Tree Frogs...

And I'm bitchin about the price of a 2006 F-250 diesel!! :)

There isn't that much of a difference!


I suppose if you consider $20,000 dollar difference minor. :)

What's that GL450 run nowadays.

A Ford F-250 base model is nearly $51,000 depending on the


specific model.


Bull****!!!!!


Kevin has come to play. Obsessed???

I just "built" a fully loaded F-250 on ford.com and the MSRP came to
$54,065. It was almost $51K before options. To help you with the math,
that is only $1610.00 less than the Mercedes Benz GL450 base model. Now
start spinning my post...


I take it you were too stupid to see that the original poster said
"BASE MODEL"? On the build your own website, you can get the base model
for way under $30k. I don't have to spin your post seeing how you're
not bright enough to read. So, now you are obsessed with Kevin? Good,
you might leave me alone. You're getting like the pesky little gnat
just staying barely out of reach to get slapped down.


Nice spin, but the original poster wasn't specific about anything but
the fact that it was a Ford F250. Of the several available I have no
idea which one he is considering. You seem to find it difficult to read
that I clearly said "depending on the specific model". Give up, moron,
you are WRONG.

YOU said: "A Ford F-250 base model is nearly $51,000 depending on the
specific model.". BASE MODEL........ those are YOUR words. Depending on
the specific model is fine. But, you are only $30k off of the BASE
MODEL.....

Once again, your childish name calling shows you have no credibility.
Now, go to all of the websites I've given you for new 2006 and 2007
Fords where the MSRP is $30k less than you've stated above. Tell the
group what you see!!!

basskisser wrote:

Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:


CalifBill wrote:



A Ford F-250 base model is nearly $51,000 depending on the


specific model.

Bull****!!!!!


May be close to that list price. My 2004 Silverado HD LT 4x4 Diesel was
list about $47k.


Did you just possibly happen to read "base model"??? Do you ever get
tired of being wrong?
Here is an example, MSRP is $34k can be had for $30k, do you consider
THAT close to $51k?:

http://autos.yahoo.com/ford_truck_f_...t _styleside/

The King Ranch version is only $40k directly from Ford's website:
http://tinyurl.com/yyjm23


Who are you trying to reply to, Kevin? If it's CalifBill, your response
has nothing to do with his statement. If it's me, you are STILL wrong
and need to go to ford.com where you will find a base F250 for just
short of $51K. When you are done, admit that you are a liar or you
aren't a man. Where did *that* come from???


I'm not Kevin. And it's because you are a known liar. For instance, you
said that you've seen me both on CNN and in the AJC. Liar. Now, here is
a base 2007 for less than the $30k I stated:

http://tinyurl.com/y8zvpt

This is Ford's website, notice in the right hand corner that the first
two are less than 30k for a 2007, and the King Ranch addition is only
40k, as I've stated:

http://tinyurl.com/yk36a8

Here in Smyrna, GA, notice the MSRP is 27k to 53k. If you are any kind
of buyer, you never pay MSRP.

http://tinyurl.com/ycaogh

Another built from Ford's website for 23k:

http://tinyurl.com/yen57u

Autobytel four of them in different trim options from $20k to $26k

http://tinyurl.com/yj2mgk

From Edmund's website, showing MSRP for 2006 models at $22k to $38k:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/ford...rge/index.html

From Edmund's showing invoice price of a tad over $20k:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/ford...21/prices.html

So, I've shown you that a base model Ford F-250 2006 OR 2007 model is
nowhere near $51k.

You should be feeling pretty stupid by now....


I didn't click on a single link - I have better things to do.

You really should learn to read. All of your obsessive work is nothing
but a waste of time. The point, once again, was that a Ford F-250 base
model can run just short of $51K. You chose to spend half a day at work
looking for cheaper models of the F-250 that cost less. Good for you.
You are still wrong - or a liar as you would say.