I agree with you 100%. Politicians have set a new low bar.


Wayne.B wrote:
I agree but I also but don't think its entirely fair to blame only the
politicians. After all "we the people" are supposed to have some
involvement in this also, and not just on election day.

Hear hear

.... If we
continue to accept some of this nonsense as politics as usual, without
also voting with our opinions and dollars, this polarization will
continue and it will undermine the democratic process.


Yep.... part of the reason why polarization & mud-slinging
has worked so well is that elections have hinged upon voter
apathy: when only small numbers of people bother to vote, a
targeted group of excitable whackos have disproportionate
influence.

*If* this election yesterday is the start of a new trend,
especially with more young people voting, then we *will* see
a big change in politics. About time, too!

DSK

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 07:52:19 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..

That's the key - can they actually do something with nothing. Can
they keep the economic momentum moving in a positive direction, can
they actually come up with a good plan to get us out of the mess in
Iraq and I think even more importantly, can they actually emulate the
Republicans and toe the party line without inter-party squabbling they
are famous for.

More importantly than that is this - can they do it without reducing
the economic power of the middle class by staying away from taxes and
more entitlement programs.

It will be an interesting couple of years.

How many think that we will be sinking into a deep recession by this time
next year?
Unfortunately, I do.

I don't think deep, but certainly a recession is looming. Natural
economic cycle and all that.

And I'll even give you the harbinger - Google.

Google will collapse of it's own weight, will be involved in an
advertising scandal, make some kind of stupid purchase with all that
cash and start it all. Hubris rules the day at Google and we all know
what happens when that becomes the corporate culture.

On the plus side, given that trucks aren't selling well, I figure if
I wait another three or four days, the truck dealership will get
desperate enough to give me what I want for my pickup. :)

Heh, heh, heh...

Why would they give you more for a truck when trucks are not selling well?

"DSK" wrote in message
...
I agree with you 100%. Politicians have set a new low bar.


Wayne.B wrote:
I agree but I also but don't think its entirely fair to blame only the
politicians. After all "we the people" are supposed to have some
involvement in this also, and not just on election day.

Hear hear

.... If we
continue to accept some of this nonsense as politics as usual, without
also voting with our opinions and dollars, this polarization will
continue and it will undermine the democratic process.


Yep.... part of the reason why polarization & mud-slinging has worked so
well is that elections have hinged upon voter apathy: when only small
numbers of people bother to vote, a targeted group of excitable whackos
have disproportionate influence.

*If* this election yesterday is the start of a new trend, especially with
more young people voting, then we *will* see a big change in politics.
About time, too!

DSK


I think both sides should look at the Pombo race. A very secure looking
seat, that got lost. People also vote their heart as well as the pocket
book, and if the Congress-elects do not pay attention to the message, they
will be tossed next cycle. At least we hope they will be tossed next cycle.
The electorate, says move to the middle.

In article . com,
says...

Bert Robbins wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
That's the key - can they actually do something with nothing. Can
they keep the economic momentum moving in a positive direction, can
they actually come up with a good plan to get us out of the mess in
Iraq and I think even more importantly, can they actually emulate the
Republicans and toe the party line without inter-party squabbling they
are famous for.

More importantly than that is this - can they do it without reducing
the economic power of the middle class by staying away from taxes and
more entitlement programs.

It will be an interesting couple of years.



How many think that we will be sinking into a deep recession by this time
next year?
Unfortunately, I do.

The recession has already started.

Then it's the republican's fault!!

BK, you haven't been paying attention. It's Clinton's fault. You have
to go back two terms to find the blame.

That's how Rs justify Clinton's success. Going back two terms puts you
in Reagan territory, savior of all mankind, but especially rich bankers
who robbed the American public blind.

jps

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

That's the key - can they actually do something with nothing.

After you've driven off a cliff the options are limited.

-rick-

jps wrote:
In article . com,
says...

Bert Robbins wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
That's the key - can they actually do something with nothing. Can
they keep the economic momentum moving in a positive direction, can
they actually come up with a good plan to get us out of the mess in
Iraq and I think even more importantly, can they actually emulate the
Republicans and toe the party line without inter-party squabbling they
are famous for.

More importantly than that is this - can they do it without reducing
the economic power of the middle class by staying away from taxes and
more entitlement programs.

It will be an interesting couple of years.



How many think that we will be sinking into a deep recession by this time
next year?
Unfortunately, I do.

The recession has already started.

Then it's the republican's fault!!

BK, you haven't been paying attention. It's Clinton's fault. You have
to go back two terms to find the blame.

Ooops, I forgot!! Everything is Clinton's fault. I wonder how they'll
blame the fall of Rummy and the Bush administration on him.......

That's how Rs justify Clinton's success. Going back two terms puts you
in Reagan territory, savior of all mankind, but especially rich bankers
who robbed the American public blind.

What gets me is that the Republicans CLAIM to cut taxes. They don't.
They just shuffle money around to make it LOOK like they do. Take for
instance in GA. Up until Gov. Perdue took office, a Republican, we had
one of the best lottery for education purposes going. The HOPE
scholarship. Keep a B average in high school, you get first years
tuition and books paid to any in-state school. Keep a B average in
college, it continues. Worked VERY well.
When Perdue got into office, he almost INSTANTLY started putting his
slimey hands on the HOPE grants, and made new much more strict rules
and payment restrictions on it, using the money for other things.

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

jps wrote:
In article . com,
says...

Bert Robbins wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
That's the key - can they actually do something with nothing. Can
they keep the economic momentum moving in a positive direction,
can
they actually come up with a good plan to get us out of the mess
in
Iraq and I think even more importantly, can they actually emulate
the
Republicans and toe the party line without inter-party squabbling
they
are famous for.

More importantly than that is this - can they do it without
reducing
the economic power of the middle class by staying away from taxes
and
more entitlement programs.

It will be an interesting couple of years.



How many think that we will be sinking into a deep recession by
this time
next year?
Unfortunately, I do.

The recession has already started.

Then it's the republican's fault!!

BK, you haven't been paying attention. It's Clinton's fault. You have
to go back two terms to find the blame.

Ooops, I forgot!! Everything is Clinton's fault. I wonder how they'll
blame the fall of Rummy and the Bush administration on him.......

That's how Rs justify Clinton's success. Going back two terms puts you
in Reagan territory, savior of all mankind, but especially rich bankers
who robbed the American public blind.

What gets me is that the Republicans CLAIM to cut taxes. They don't.
They just shuffle money around to make it LOOK like they do. Take for
instance in GA. Up until Gov. Perdue took office, a Republican, we had
one of the best lottery for education purposes going. The HOPE
scholarship. Keep a B average in high school, you get first years
tuition and books paid to any in-state school. Keep a B average in
college, it continues. Worked VERY well.
When Perdue got into office, he almost INSTANTLY started putting his
slimey hands on the HOPE grants, and made new much more strict rules
and payment restrictions on it, using the money for other things.

Is the lottery a tax? You started out by mentioning taxes.

ACP wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

jps wrote:
In article . com,
says...

Bert Robbins wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
That's the key - can they actually do something with nothing. Can
they keep the economic momentum moving in a positive direction,
can
they actually come up with a good plan to get us out of the mess
in
Iraq and I think even more importantly, can they actually emulate
the
Republicans and toe the party line without inter-party squabbling
they
are famous for.

More importantly than that is this - can they do it without
reducing
the economic power of the middle class by staying away from taxes
and
more entitlement programs.

It will be an interesting couple of years.



How many think that we will be sinking into a deep recession by
this time
next year?
Unfortunately, I do.

The recession has already started.

Then it's the republican's fault!!

BK, you haven't been paying attention. It's Clinton's fault. You have
to go back two terms to find the blame.

Ooops, I forgot!! Everything is Clinton's fault. I wonder how they'll
blame the fall of Rummy and the Bush administration on him.......

That's how Rs justify Clinton's success. Going back two terms puts you
in Reagan territory, savior of all mankind, but especially rich bankers
who robbed the American public blind.

What gets me is that the Republicans CLAIM to cut taxes. They don't.
They just shuffle money around to make it LOOK like they do. Take for
instance in GA. Up until Gov. Perdue took office, a Republican, we had
one of the best lottery for education purposes going. The HOPE
scholarship. Keep a B average in high school, you get first years
tuition and books paid to any in-state school. Keep a B average in
college, it continues. Worked VERY well.
When Perdue got into office, he almost INSTANTLY started putting his
slimey hands on the HOPE grants, and made new much more strict rules
and payment restrictions on it, using the money for other things.

Is the lottery a tax? You started out by mentioning taxes.

Nope, never said it was. For the reading comprehension impaired, read
more than one sentence at a time. I said, the Republicans claim to cut
taxes. They don't they just shuffle money around to make it look like
they do. In the case above, some taxes were cut. Then the money from
HOPE was used in place of those taxes, weakening what the HOPE grant
was for. So, the GA Govt. wasn't spending less because of the tax cuts,
they were just stealing the money from the HOPE grant. SO, what will
happen to the people who were supposed to get the HOPE grant and can't?
Why, the GA govt. will give them different grants and loans. Where will
this money come from? Taxes. It's really pretty simple, I'm surprised
you don't understand it.

"ACP" wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

jps wrote:
In article . com,
says...

Bert Robbins wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
That's the key - can they actually do something with nothing.
Can
they keep the economic momentum moving in a positive direction,
can
they actually come up with a good plan to get us out of the mess
in
Iraq and I think even more importantly, can they actually emulate
the
Republicans and toe the party line without inter-party squabbling
they
are famous for.

More importantly than that is this - can they do it without
reducing
the economic power of the middle class by staying away from taxes
and
more entitlement programs.

It will be an interesting couple of years.



How many think that we will be sinking into a deep recession by
this time
next year?
Unfortunately, I do.

The recession has already started.

Then it's the republican's fault!!

BK, you haven't been paying attention. It's Clinton's fault. You have
to go back two terms to find the blame.

Ooops, I forgot!! Everything is Clinton's fault. I wonder how they'll
blame the fall of Rummy and the Bush administration on him.......

That's how Rs justify Clinton's success. Going back two terms puts you
in Reagan territory, savior of all mankind, but especially rich bankers
who robbed the American public blind.

What gets me is that the Republicans CLAIM to cut taxes. They don't.
They just shuffle money around to make it LOOK like they do. Take for
instance in GA. Up until Gov. Perdue took office, a Republican, we had
one of the best lottery for education purposes going. The HOPE
scholarship. Keep a B average in high school, you get first years
tuition and books paid to any in-state school. Keep a B average in
college, it continues. Worked VERY well.
When Perdue got into office, he almost INSTANTLY started putting his
slimey hands on the HOPE grants, and made new much more strict rules
and payment restrictions on it, using the money for other things.

Is the lottery a tax? You started out by mentioning taxes.


LOL!

And the larger paychecks we saw because of less taxes being taken out were
just figments of our imagination according to him also. The paychecks may
have LOOKED larger but they really weren't. ;-)

That's *our* Bassy for you.

JimH wrote:
"ACP" wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

jps wrote:
In article . com,
says...

Bert Robbins wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
That's the key - can they actually do something with nothing.
Can
they keep the economic momentum moving in a positive direction,
can
they actually come up with a good plan to get us out of the mess
in
Iraq and I think even more importantly, can they actually emulate
the
Republicans and toe the party line without inter-party squabbling
they
are famous for.

More importantly than that is this - can they do it without
reducing
the economic power of the middle class by staying away from taxes
and
more entitlement programs.

It will be an interesting couple of years.



How many think that we will be sinking into a deep recession by
this time
next year?
Unfortunately, I do.

The recession has already started.

Then it's the republican's fault!!

BK, you haven't been paying attention. It's Clinton's fault. You have
to go back two terms to find the blame.

Ooops, I forgot!! Everything is Clinton's fault. I wonder how they'll
blame the fall of Rummy and the Bush administration on him.......

That's how Rs justify Clinton's success. Going back two terms puts you
in Reagan territory, savior of all mankind, but especially rich bankers
who robbed the American public blind.

What gets me is that the Republicans CLAIM to cut taxes. They don't.
They just shuffle money around to make it LOOK like they do. Take for
instance in GA. Up until Gov. Perdue took office, a Republican, we had
one of the best lottery for education purposes going. The HOPE
scholarship. Keep a B average in high school, you get first years
tuition and books paid to any in-state school. Keep a B average in
college, it continues. Worked VERY well.
When Perdue got into office, he almost INSTANTLY started putting his
slimey hands on the HOPE grants, and made new much more strict rules
and payment restrictions on it, using the money for other things.

Is the lottery a tax? You started out by mentioning taxes.


LOL!

And the larger paychecks we saw because of less taxes being taken out were
just figments of our imagination according to him also. The paychecks may
have LOOKED larger but they really weren't. ;-)

That's *our* Bassy for you.

What an idiot. If you got a bigger paycheck because of tax cuts, but
spent more because of the the inflation that it caused, that's somehow
a good thing? What a dolt.