What is the difference between a Deep Cycle battery and a Trolling
battery? I'm buying a Minn Kota Endura 30 electric trolling motor and
can't decide on the battery. Even the salesman gives an unsure answer
as to the difference between the two. Which one do I buy???

-KCB

"kcb559" wrote in message
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What is the difference between a Deep Cycle battery and a Trolling
battery? I'm buying a Minn Kota Endura 30 electric trolling motor and
can't decide on the battery. Even the salesman gives an unsure answer
as to the difference between the two. Which one do I buy???

They are one and the same.

Later,

Tom

A trolling battery is a deep cycle battery with built-in extra boat
dealer profit........like any part you put "boat" labels on.

Buy a deep cycle battery from a BATTERY store and save the extra
markup....

Put 4 golf cart 6V batteries in series (255AH for $69 at Batteries
Plus) and run it on 24V if it's rated for 24V. Works great if you can
leave the batteries in the boat permanently.

Great ballast to hold the bow down in the waves, too!....(c;



On 20 Aug 2003 00:50:01 -0700, (kcb559) wrote:

What is the difference between a Deep Cycle battery and a Trolling
battery? I'm buying a Minn Kota Endura 30 electric trolling motor and
can't decide on the battery. Even the salesman gives an unsure answer
as to the difference between the two. Which one do I buy???

-KCB


Larry W4CSC

Maybe we could get the power grid fixed if every politician
regulating the power companies wasn't on their payrolls.

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:47:21 +0000, Larry W4CSC wrote:

A trolling battery is a deep cycle battery with built-in extra boat
dealer profit........like any part you put "boat" labels on.


Correct!

Buy a deep cycle battery from a BATTERY store and save the extra
markup....


Good idea! I get my batteries from Polar Batteries here in Vanc. They get
Trojans and put their own label on, they're cheaper than Canadian Tire.

Put 4 golf cart 6V batteries in series (255AH for $69 at Batteries
Plus) and run it on 24V if it's rated for 24V. Works great if you can
leave the batteries in the boat permanently.


Whoa! He's talking about a Minn Kota 30, here! First, it's 12V. And
second, it takes maybe 30A at full load. I use a Group 22NF battery ($49.95
at Canadian Tire) and it runs pretty much all afternoon.

I'd say a Group 24 deep cycle would be fine.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Near Cove" Walker Bay 8 c/w M-C 30 Endura

On 20 Aug 2003 00:50:01 -0700, (kcb559) wrote:

What is the difference between a Deep Cycle battery and a Trolling
battery? I'm buying a Minn Kota Endura 30 electric trolling motor and
can't decide on the battery. Even the salesman gives an unsure answer
as to the difference between the two. Which one do I buy???

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:09:40 +0000, BinaryBillTheSailo wrote:

On 20 Aug 2003 00:50:01 -0700, (kcb559) wrote:

What is the difference between a Deep Cycle battery and a Trolling
battery? I'm buying a Minn Kota Endura 30 electric trolling motor and
can't decide on the battery. Even the salesman gives an unsure answer
as to the difference between the two. Which one do I buy???

-KCB

The difference you want to look at is between a trolling and a starting battery.
There are some batteries that even claim to be both. What you want is a deep
cycle battery that is specifically designed for trolling. Otherwise your motor
will run like a rabbit for about 30 minutes and then taper off quickly.


Actually, the motor will run identically between deepcyle/trolling and
starting. The difference is, the 4th or 5th time you run the battery down
to "dead", the starting battery won't come back up, but the deepcyle will.

The 22NF battery I use on my Endura 30 is a "starting" battery, and it
runs the motor fine. I just don't let it run down to more than maybe 50%.
I still expect it to not last that long, but it's on it's 3rd year now...
(It was a "Proof of Concept" purchase: I wanted the cheapest I could buy
in case it didn't work out.)

Lloyd

Lloyd

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On 20 Aug 2003 00:50:01 -0700, (kcb559) wrote:

What is the difference between a Deep Cycle battery and a Trolling
battery? I'm buying a Minn Kota Endura 30 electric trolling motor and
can't decide on the battery. Even the salesman gives an unsure answer
as to the difference between the two. Which one do I buy???

-KCB

The difference you want to look at is between a trolling and a starting
battery.
There are some batteries that even claim to be both. What you want is a
deep
cycle battery that is specifically designed for trolling. Otherwise your
motor
will run like a rabbit for about 30 minutes and then taper off quickly.

The original question was the difference between a deep cycle and
a trolling battery where there is no difference - a deep cycle battery
is a trolling battery.

The difference between a start battery and a deep cycle battery is
that the starting battery has thinner plates allowing for initial high
amp discharge, but have zero capacity for long term discharge.

Deep cycle batteries are the opposite.

Here's a great discussion of batteries.

http://uuhome.de/william.darden/

Later,

Tom

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:47:42 +0000, BinaryBillThesailo wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:09:29 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:09:40 +0000, BinaryBillTheSailo wrote:

On 20 Aug 2003 00:50:01 -0700, (kcb559) wrote:

What is the difference between a Deep Cycle battery and a Trolling
battery? I'm buying a Minn Kota Endura 30 electric trolling motor and
can't decide on the battery. Even the salesman gives an unsure answer
as to the difference between the two. Which one do I buy???

-KCB

The difference you want to look at is between a trolling and a starting battery.
There are some batteries that even claim to be both. What you want is a deep
cycle battery that is specifically designed for trolling. Otherwise your motor
will run like a rabbit for about 30 minutes and then taper off quickly.


Actually, the motor will run identically between deepcyle/trolling and
starting.

Sorry Lloyd, but you are incorrect on that point.


Why? Does the deep cycle have different volts? Ohms law doesn't apply?

Lloyd

"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:47:42 +0000, BinaryBillThesailo wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:09:29 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:09:40 +0000, BinaryBillTheSailo wrote:

On 20 Aug 2003 00:50:01 -0700, (kcb559) wrote:

What is the difference between a Deep Cycle battery and a Trolling
battery? I'm buying a Minn Kota Endura 30 electric trolling motor and
can't decide on the battery. Even the salesman gives an unsure answer
as to the difference between the two. Which one do I buy???

-KCB

The difference you want to look at is between a trolling and a
starting battery.
There are some batteries that even claim to be both. What you want is
a deep
cycle battery that is specifically designed for trolling. Otherwise
your motor
will run like a rabbit for about 30 minutes and then taper off
quickly.


Actually, the motor will run identically between deepcyle/trolling and
starting.

Sorry Lloyd, but you are incorrect on that point.


Why? Does the deep cycle have different volts? Ohms law doesn't apply?

Lloyd



Same volts, just different time of availability. The Deep cycle has a
heavier, reinforced plate system. Allows more discharge and the ability to
recharge without the plates warping, and shorting together. The Starting
batt has more surface area, for high current flow for a short time.

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:33:24 +0000, BinaryBillTheSailo wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:19:15 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:47:42 +0000, BinaryBillThesailo wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:09:29 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:


Actually, the motor will run identically between deepcyle/trolling and
starting.

Sorry Lloyd, but you are incorrect on that point.


Why? Does the deep cycle have different volts? Ohms law doesn't apply?


Same volts, but a different power output curve. The starter battery is designed
to output maximum amps for a short period. The trolling motor will gladly use
whatever is available, and the starter battery will quickly lose output if you
run the electric motor at full speed. The trolling motor will run like a
jackrabbit for a short time, and then will lose it's enthusiasm.

A deep cycle trolling motor will output lower amperage over a longer period.
Think of the difference between a sprinter and a marathoner. That's why there
are many different types of batteries. Different uses require different
characteristics.

BB

There's a difference between how much current a battery CAN supply and how
much the load is drawing. A 30-lb Endura pulls 30A at 12.5 V (approx) full
load. It's Ohm's Law, not the battery characteristics, that determines the
current. A fully charged battery, starting or deep-cycle, provides this: 30A
is not excessive even for a deep-cycle. The discharge curves are slightly
different, so the voltage drops differently between the two, but not
enough to notice. As I said, the difference in this case is the ability to
"come back" from a deep discharge.

If we were talking about 200A, you'd be right.

I've been running the exact motor he's talking about with a small starting
battery and have not seen what you describe: it just slowly runs slower as
the battery dies, over the course of several hours.

Lloyd

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On 20 Aug 2003 00:50:01 -0700, (kcb559) wrote:

What is the difference between a Deep Cycle battery and a Trolling
battery? I'm buying a Minn Kota Endura 30 electric trolling motor and
can't decide on the battery. Even the salesman gives an unsure answer
as to the difference between the two. Which one do I buy???

-KCB

The difference you want to look at is between a trolling and a starting
battery.
There are some batteries that even claim to be both. What you want is a
deep
cycle battery that is specifically designed for trolling. Otherwise your
motor
will run like a rabbit for about 30 minutes and then taper off quickly.

The original question was the difference between a deep cycle and
a trolling battery where there is no difference - a deep cycle battery
is a trolling battery.

The difference between a start battery and a deep cycle battery is
that the starting battery has thinner plates allowing for initial high
amp discharge, but have zero capacity for long term discharge.

Deep cycle batteries are the opposite.

Here's a great discussion of batteries.

http://uuhome.de/william.darden/

Later,

Tom

SO, BASICALLY A DEEP CYCLE BATTERY AND A TROLLING BATTERY ARE THE SAME
THING AND WILL BOTH LAST ME LONGER (DUE TO THE NUMBER OF RECHARGES
AVAILABLE)THAN A STARTING BATTERY; HOWEVER, WITH THAT SMALL ENDURA 30,
A STARTING BATTERY WOULD WORK OKAY (ALTHOUGH IT WOULDN'T LAST AS LONG)
IF I KEPT THE SPEED DOWN AND DIDN'T ASK IT TO WORK TOO HARD. IS THAT
ABOUT IT?
-KCB