Harry Krause wrote:
On 12/12/2006 12:42 PM, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Don White wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:04:38 GMT, "Mike" wrote:


I was watching the Sharks game, and they mentioned her, and I said
to myself, "is this the same gal I read about on the NG?" Until
this post, I saw no mention of her being the daughter of the
Canadiens GM. Thanks for the article.


When they first reported it this morning, that was one of the items.

Then again, New England is big hockey terrority.

Unlike Canada. :)


Who do you think taught you the game?
http://www.birthplaceofhockey.com/


One would think Canada could play the game better than they do, eh?



It would be interesting to see a horse's ass like you out on the ice
with skates and a stick for an amateur pickup hockey game. I suspect a
girly man like you would last, oh, 2 minutes, before you'd need oxygen
and a lot of bandages.

He couldn't make stick boy on a girls team.

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:09:39 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 12/12/2006 12:42 PM, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Don White wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:04:38 GMT, "Mike" wrote:


I was watching the Sharks game, and they mentioned her, and I said to
myself, "is this the same gal I read about on the NG?" Until this
post, I saw no mention of her being the daughter of the Canadiens GM.
Thanks for the article.

When they first reported it this morning, that was one of the items.

Then again, New England is big hockey terrority.

Unlike Canada. :)

Who do you think taught you the game?
http://www.birthplaceofhockey.com/

One would think Canada could play the game better than they do, eh?


It would be interesting to see a horse's ass like you out on the ice
with skates and a stick for an amateur pickup hockey game. I suspect a
girly man like you would last, oh, 2 minutes, before you'd need oxygen
and a lot of bandages.

Hi Harry.

(That was the attention you're obviously seeking with that post.)
--
John H

*Have a great Christmas and a spectacular New Year!*

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:09:39 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


On 12/12/2006 12:42 PM, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Don White wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:04:38 GMT, "Mike" wrote:



I was watching the Sharks game, and they mentioned her, and I said to
myself, "is this the same gal I read about on the NG?" Until this
post, I saw no mention of her being the daughter of the Canadiens GM.
Thanks for the article.

When they first reported it this morning, that was one of the items.

Then again, New England is big hockey terrority.

Unlike Canada. :)

Who do you think taught you the game?
http://www.birthplaceofhockey.com/

One would think Canada could play the game better than they do, eh?


It would be interesting to see a horse's ass like you out on the ice
with skates and a stick for an amateur pickup hockey game. I suspect a
girly man like you would last, oh, 2 minutes, before you'd need oxygen
and a lot of bandages.


Hi Harry.

(That was the attention you're obviously seeking with that post.)
--
John H

*Have a great Christmas and a spectacular New Year!*

Hi Sheriff John Henry...
interesting you had nothing to say to Waylon Smithers for his snide remark.

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:00:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 12/12/2006 4:22 PM, Don White wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:09:39 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


On 12/12/2006 12:42 PM, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Don White wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:04:38 GMT, "Mike" wrote:



I was watching the Sharks game, and they mentioned her, and I said to
myself, "is this the same gal I read about on the NG?" Until this
post, I saw no mention of her being the daughter of the Canadiens GM.
Thanks for the article.
When they first reported it this morning, that was one of the items.

Then again, New England is big hockey terrority.

Unlike Canada. :)
Who do you think taught you the game?
http://www.birthplaceofhockey.com/
One would think Canada could play the game better than they do, eh?

It would be interesting to see a horse's ass like you out on the ice
with skates and a stick for an amateur pickup hockey game. I suspect a
girly man like you would last, oh, 2 minutes, before you'd need oxygen
and a lot of bandages.

Hi Harry.

(That was the attention you're obviously seeking with that post.)
--
John H

*Have a great Christmas and a spectacular New Year!*

Hi Sheriff John Henry...
interesting you had nothing to say to Waylon Smithers for his snide remark.



You know sheriff john - he only whines about posts from those who don't
support his right-wing beliefs. "Reggie" is one of his boys. Or he's one
of "Reggie's".


Hi Harry!

I can't believe you're trying to turn this into something political!

Tell Donnie that Reggie made no personal attack.
--
John H

*Have a great Christmas and a spectacular New Year!*

Don White wrote:
After reading days of posts about singlehandling and monster
waves.....most probably imagined after one too many drinks in a comfy
Lazy-Boy...
here's a reminder that real life dangers do exist..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...ip-search.html

Was it possibly rogue waves like this, maybe even bigger.. that could
have been the death of the Edmund Fitzgerald on Lake Superior?

I've heard of monster waves called the "Three Sisters" that could have
possibly caused the wreck, or at least, been a contributing factor to
the sinking?

Not sure, though. That's why I'm asking.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 12 Dec 2006 16:40:35 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

Was it possibly rogue waves like this, maybe even bigger.. that could
have been the death of the Edmund Fitzgerald on Lake Superior?

Not really.

USCG and a later NTSB ROV survey indicated that two conditions
probably caused the sinking.

The first was leaking hatch covers which was originally rejected by
the NTSB, but after the ROV investigation, they revised their report
to reflect the original USCG determination.

A secondary cause was bilge pump vent failure caused by heavy wave
action which caused the Edmond Fitzgerald to list to starboard and it
hit a big wave which caused it to spin in breaking up as it sank.

Tom, I can understand the leaking hatchs, especially if they had been
reported int he past, and/or had a history of such.

But how would one know about the pluged bildge vent? had this also
been neglected?

or a speculative afterthought?

Anyhow, what you said makes sense.

Very good, Tom.

Thanks!



Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 13 Dec 2006 05:43:38 -0800, "Tim" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 12 Dec 2006 16:40:35 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

Was it possibly rogue waves like this, maybe even bigger.. that could
have been the death of the Edmund Fitzgerald on Lake Superior?

Not really.

USCG and a later NTSB ROV survey indicated that two conditions
probably caused the sinking.

The first was leaking hatch covers which was originally rejected by
the NTSB, but after the ROV investigation, they revised their report
to reflect the original USCG determination.

A secondary cause was bilge pump vent failure caused by heavy wave
action which caused the Edmond Fitzgerald to list to starboard and it
hit a big wave which caused it to spin in breaking up as it sank.

Tom, I can understand the leaking hatchs, especially if they had been
reported int he past, and/or had a history of such.

But how would one know about the pluged bildge vent? had this also
been neglected?

or a speculative afterthought?

Anyhow, what you said makes sense.

It was a working hypothesis from the original Court of Inquiry. Of
course in these cases, much is speculation, but it was a fact that the
Edmond Fitzgerald had hatch cover problems prior to this event, the
fact that the bilge vents were located in an area that could have
sustained heavy damage from a severe storm, the starboard list that
McSorley reported and the fact that there were large waves in the area
as reported by the Anderson which was traveling behind the Fitzgerald.

McSorley also reported to the Anderson that there were missing rails
and blocked vents before it disappeared from radar.

Originally, the NTSB held out for a severe grounding as there was a
reef in the general area where the Anderson and Fitzgerald were
steaming and a secondary theory was two rogue waves which broke the
Fitzgerald's back.

The ROV evidence indicated that the Fitzgerald was hit, the list was
exaggerated and the Fitzgerald spun in.

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 02:28:34 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Not really.

I think you mean "not known".

USCG and a later NTSB ROV survey indicated that two conditions probably
caused the sinking.

I think you mean "possibly" caused the sinking.

The first was leaking hatch covers which was originally rejected by the
NTSB, but after the ROV investigation, they revised their report to
reflect the original USCG determination.

The leaking hatch cover scenario was first advanced by the Company and its
insurance company. It was stated that lax on-board procedures by capt and
crew were the cause. Qui bono here?


A secondary cause was bilge pump vent failure caused by heavy wave
action which caused the Edmond Fitzgerald to list to starboard and it
hit a big wave which caused it to spin in breaking up as it sank.

This is pure speculation on anyone's part. In fact -the only factual
thing- that can be said about the sinking is that the cause is still
unknown. Rogue wave, keelson failure, grounding, mechanical failures,
crew error or any combination of the above are still valid possibilities.

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:42:40 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

Don White wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:04:38 GMT, "Mike" wrote:


I was watching the Sharks game, and they mentioned her, and I said to
myself, "is this the same gal I read about on the NG?" Until this
post, I saw no mention of her being the daughter of the Canadiens GM.
Thanks for the article.


When they first reported it this morning, that was one of the items.

Then again, New England is big hockey terrority.

Unlike Canada. :)


Who do you think taught you the game? http://www.birthplaceofhockey.com/

One would think Canada could play the game better than they do, eh?

hmmm....Salt Lake City....hmmm...what happened?...oh wait it's on the tip
of my tongue....oh that's it...both our teams kicked your arses. Coming
to Whistler? ;-P

Let's try not to blame the victim here. According to the capt she was in
an area on the stern he referred to as a storm deck, a "safe" and
appropriate place for her to be in these conditions.

Above decks, in the North Atlantic, in Winter... there's no such thing as a
'safe' area above decks in those conditions, even without a storm.

The seas don't tolerate stupidity easily.