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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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Hey Harry, was that you on the ZA forum on 5/16 saying the Vista beta
is s-l-o-w.
I was wondering if I should try it.
I am a long time za user and have prolly 8 months left on my ZA Pro
subscription.
I wish they could get it working.
However they are not the only one with vista probs.
Nvidia doesn't have a good driver for my $600 8800GTX.

Regards,

BTW, sold my Luhrs 320T, currently boatless. Got grandkids now and no
time for a boat on the coast. I'm looking at trailer boats.

Indeed it was.

I was using ZA with my XP setup, and it worked well there. When I went
to VISTA, I thought I'd give the ZA Vista beta a good workout, but I
was offput by its slowness at boot up and the delays in opening
programs, plus the seemingly endless crashes of the beta (but not
VISTA). So I tried a few other suites this past week, including those
from AVG, et cetera, and right now am playing around with Kaspersky's
suite. I'm using the 6.0 version that works with VISTA, not the "7"
beta. So far it seems to be working just fine. It's fast, the updates
work well, and it has a reasonable interface. There's a 30-day free
trial.

I got an agreement out of ZA to extend my paid subscription by six
months or until six months after the release of the ZA retail for
VISTA. When the retail version comes out, I'll look it over.

Does these other suites include a firewall which also:
****CONTROLS OUTBOUND ACTIVITY*****???

Ahh. Yes, both the ZA beta and the Kaspersky release version do. For
some strange reason, the firewall MS packed in with VISTA does not.
Weird, eh?

Not that weird. Some products are sold because somebody will buy them,
not because there's anything compelling about them.


Ahh. Well, I have no regrets about leaving XP behind. I've been running
VISTA for months now, without one serious glitch. I have a lot of hardware
connected up, and tons of software, too, most of it holdovers from XP or
even Win2k. It all works.

I've read about a lot of the problems some others are having. The majority
seem to be related to users who install VISTA over an existing earlier MS
OS, now with those who did a clean install.

And yet, MS could not find a reason to equip the OS with a correctly
designed firewall. There is no debate that if a firewall does not protect
against outbound nonsense, it is junk.

Why not use both?-

Yep, I'm dual booted.
I like Vista and have not had serious problems except for nVidia
drivers. I use windows firewall while waiting for ZA.
I play graphic intensive games on XP while waiting for the latest
Vista drivers and trying all betas for my 8800GTX.
That doesn't solve the spyware problem with Vista though.

On Mon, 28 May 2007 00:29:40 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"HK" wrote in message
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Does these other suites include a firewall which also:
****CONTROLS OUTBOUND ACTIVITY*****???


Ahh. Yes, both the ZA beta and the Kaspersky release version do. For some
strange reason, the firewall MS packed in with VISTA does not. Weird, eh?

Not that weird. Some products are sold because somebody will buy them, not
because there's anything compelling about them.

The ZA outbound activity checks are part of what I consider normal
firewall security. So I guess you were talking about there not being
a "compelling" security reason to get Vista.
You'd a thunk such security would come with a ballyhooed new OS.
So I agree with Harry that it's weird. No. Shocking.

--Vic

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"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
Hey Harry, was that you on the ZA forum on 5/16 saying the Vista beta
is s-l-o-w.
I was wondering if I should try it.
I am a long time za user and have prolly 8 months left on my ZA Pro
subscription.
I wish they could get it working.
However they are not the only one with vista probs.
Nvidia doesn't have a good driver for my $600 8800GTX.

Regards,

BTW, sold my Luhrs 320T, currently boatless. Got grandkids now and no
time for a boat on the coast. I'm looking at trailer boats.


Indeed it was.

I was using ZA with my XP setup, and it worked well there. When I went
to VISTA, I thought I'd give the ZA Vista beta a good workout, but I
was offput by its slowness at boot up and the delays in opening
programs, plus the seemingly endless crashes of the beta (but not
VISTA). So I tried a few other suites this past week, including those
from AVG, et cetera, and right now am playing around with Kaspersky's
suite. I'm using the 6.0 version that works with VISTA, not the "7"
beta. So far it seems to be working just fine. It's fast, the updates
work well, and it has a reasonable interface. There's a 30-day free
trial.

I got an agreement out of ZA to extend my paid subscription by six
months or until six months after the release of the ZA retail for
VISTA. When the retail version comes out, I'll look it over.

Why not use a hardware firewall?


Why not use both?

In my experience being on the Internet for over 20 years I have never run
a software firewall. Always used a good anti-virus program. Since having
my home PCs networked I have of course had the protection of it's
firewall.

Knock on wood I have never had a virus or any other type of unwanted
intrusion.

I religiously run Spy-Bot and HiJack This. Again never found anything
nefarious.


I am the type of guy who wears suspenders and a belt.

It does look like Vista is more trouble than it is worth. This is the
reason why some mfg'ers are now offering XP on their new machines.


Yup, that is very true. ZA was just one reason I don't have Vista. I have 5
license keys for Vista installs from beta testing, and haven't used a single
one. I probably won't until SP1 or 2. :-

Harry is right in that most problems seem to come from upgrade installs, and
that is the path I would most likely take on my machines. This is to
reminiscent of Windows Me. I'll wait, even though I used it for almost 2
years on one machine. BTW, that machine is now XP again.

--Mike

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
wrote:
Hey Harry, was that you on the ZA forum on 5/16 saying the Vista beta
is s-l-o-w.
I was wondering if I should try it.
I am a long time za user and have prolly 8 months left on my ZA Pro
subscription.
I wish they could get it working.
However they are not the only one with vista probs.
Nvidia doesn't have a good driver for my $600 8800GTX.

Regards,

BTW, sold my Luhrs 320T, currently boatless. Got grandkids now and no
time for a boat on the coast. I'm looking at trailer boats.


Indeed it was.

I was using ZA with my XP setup, and it worked well there. When I went to
VISTA, I thought I'd give the ZA Vista beta a good workout, but I was
offput by its slowness at boot up and the delays in opening programs,
plus the seemingly endless crashes of the beta (but not VISTA). So I
tried a few other suites this past week, including those from AVG, et
cetera, and right now am playing around with Kaspersky's suite. I'm using
the 6.0 version that works with VISTA, not the "7" beta. So far it seems
to be working just fine. It's fast, the updates work well, and it has a
reasonable interface. There's a 30-day free trial.

I got an agreement out of ZA to extend my paid subscription by six months
or until six months after the release of the ZA retail for VISTA. When
the retail version comes out, I'll look it over.


It does look like Vista is more trouble than it is worth. This is the
reason why some mfg'ers are now offering XP on their new machines.

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 00:29:40 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Does these other suites include a firewall which also:
****CONTROLS OUTBOUND ACTIVITY*****???


Ahh. Yes, both the ZA beta and the Kaspersky release version do. For
some
strange reason, the firewall MS packed in with VISTA does not. Weird,
eh?

Not that weird. Some products are sold because somebody will buy them, not
because there's anything compelling about them.

The ZA outbound activity checks are part of what I consider normal
firewall security. So I guess you were talking about there not being
a "compelling" security reason to get Vista.
You'd a thunk such security would come with a ballyhooed new OS.
So I agree with Harry that it's weird. No. Shocking.

--Vic

Yes, especially considering that outbound antics are the trademark of some
of the worst computer threats. I think some of MS' products are works of
art, and examples of magnificent programming (Excel, for instance), but in
the area of security, the company is truly pathetic.

but in the area of security, the company is truly pathetic.

Agreed!

--Mike

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 00:29:40 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Does these other suites include a firewall which also:
****CONTROLS OUTBOUND ACTIVITY*****???


Ahh. Yes, both the ZA beta and the Kaspersky release version do. For
some
strange reason, the firewall MS packed in with VISTA does not. Weird,
eh?

Not that weird. Some products are sold because somebody will buy them,
not
because there's anything compelling about them.

The ZA outbound activity checks are part of what I consider normal
firewall security. So I guess you were talking about there not being
a "compelling" security reason to get Vista.
You'd a thunk such security would come with a ballyhooed new OS.
So I agree with Harry that it's weird. No. Shocking.

--Vic

Yes, especially considering that outbound antics are the trademark of some
of the worst computer threats. I think some of MS' products are works of
art, and examples of magnificent programming (Excel, for instance), but in
the area of security, the company is truly pathetic.

On Sun, 27 May 2007 20:19:30 -0400, HK wrote:


Does these other suites include a firewall which also: ****CONTROLS
OUTBOUND ACTIVITY*****???




Ahh. Yes, both the ZA beta and the Kaspersky release version do. For
some strange reason, the firewall MS packed in with VISTA does not.
Weird, eh?

I believe outbound filtering is turned off by default, but it's there if
you are willing to jump through Billy's hoops.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/com...uy/cg0106.mspx

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2007 20:19:30 -0400, HK wrote:


Does these other suites include a firewall which also: ****CONTROLS
OUTBOUND ACTIVITY*****???



Ahh. Yes, both the ZA beta and the Kaspersky release version do. For
some strange reason, the firewall MS packed in with VISTA does not.
Weird, eh?

I believe outbound filtering is turned off by default, but it's there if
you are willing to jump through Billy's hoops.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/com...uy/cg0106.mspx


That's a lotta work and it seems to presuppose you know which ports and
services every "outbound" wants. It's surprising MS simply didn't
license an in/out firewall. Well, as I mentioned, the Kaspersky internet
security suite covers that ground, and it has a decent interface.