On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:31:03 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 19:55:18 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:42:46 -0400, Gene Kearns
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On 31 May 2007 18:05:45 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:



All these companies are far more profitable than you are, and they are
100%
dependent on the buying decisions of consumers. So are you more
envious
of
the successful, or disdainful of your fellow citizens?

My wife teaches middle school.

She has students that tell her that she can teach them nothing
worthwhile, since they can make more money on a street corner in a
weekend than she makes in a month. They are neither lying nor
exaggerating.

They are much more profitable than she is, but she thinks they are
wrong.

So, should I tell her that she is mere envious of the more successful,
or just disdainful of her students?

You should tell her she has one of the most difficult jobs in the world.
The fact that she can put up with it, day after day, is a testament to
her
patience. I lasted only ten years, by which time I was totally sick of
8th
graders.

Everybody wave the flag and get out your hankies.


Trust me, been there, done that, bought the T-shirt........

he deserves credit.....


I just spent the evening with a bunch of REAL teachers - the ones who were
able to put up with their kids for more than 10 years. I have zero sympathy
for John's troubles with teaching.


Doug, guess what. No one is asking for any sympathy. Perhaps that slipped
by you.

I spent almost 30 years in the Army, very little of which was as difficult
as the day to day job of teaching.

That's not seeking sympathy, that's a fact.

Twist it however you wish.

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:21:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:02:06 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:31:03 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following
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I just spent the evening with a bunch of REAL teachers - the ones who
were
able to put up with their kids for more than 10 years. I have zero
sympathy
for John's troubles with teaching.


I've been in the business for 34 years.

There are a lot of variables. Lacking an administration that has
sufficient male genitalia to actually administrate.... 10 years is a
lifetime.

Perhaps assertiveness training should be a requirement for students
training
to be teachers.


Assertiveness isn't a problem for teachers. Administrators that see
themselves only as good will ambassadors to the community need the
training.

I remember a distinct attitude among my best teachers (late 1960s): **** the
community. Take care of the students.


Times have changed. School boards are elected. School boards hire
superintendents, who hire and fire principals, who react to parents, who
call their local school board member.

On Thu, 31 May 2007 22:25:33 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:42:46 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On 31 May 2007 18:05:45 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:



All these companies are far more profitable than you are, and they are
100%
dependent on the buying decisions of consumers. So are you more envious
of
the successful, or disdainful of your fellow citizens?

My wife teaches middle school.

She has students that tell her that she can teach them nothing
worthwhile, since they can make more money on a street corner in a
weekend than she makes in a month. They are neither lying nor
exaggerating.

They are much more profitable than she is, but she thinks they are
wrong.

So, should I tell her that she is mere envious of the more successful,
or just disdainful of her students?


I lasted only ten years, by which time I was totally sick of 8th
graders.

Everybody wave the flag and get out your hankies.


I think a group of 4th graders would eventually be able to intimidate the
old man to the point of him begging to teach preschoolers. No wonder he
retired.


Jimmie, you and Harrie are a couple of neat guys. You pretend to filter so
you can make sniping personal attacks showing a total lack of testicles.

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:47:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:21:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:02:06 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:31:03 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:



I just spent the evening with a bunch of REAL teachers - the ones who
were
able to put up with their kids for more than 10 years. I have zero
sympathy
for John's troubles with teaching.


I've been in the business for 34 years.

There are a lot of variables. Lacking an administration that has
sufficient male genitalia to actually administrate.... 10 years is a
lifetime.

Perhaps assertiveness training should be a requirement for students
training
to be teachers.


Assertiveness isn't a problem for teachers. Administrators that see
themselves only as good will ambassadors to the community need the
training.

I remember a distinct attitude among my best teachers (late 1960s): ****
the
community. Take care of the students.


Times have changed. School boards are elected. School boards hire
superintendents, who hire and fire principals, who react to parents, who
call their local school board member.

I haven't seen this problem. Give me examples. Why do parents call, and
about what?


No. I've better things to do than write examples. If you live in a district
without elected school boards who hire superintendents who hire principals
who react to parents who vote for the school board, then it would be an
exercise in futility to explain how the system works.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 03:17:05 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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I remember a cleansing of those same teachers in the mid 70's to early
80's...... they are gone...... many, without a retirement. A big
*thanks* for their years of service and commitment.....


I assume that was in a school district where your kids went to school. Why
was there a purge?


They didn't fit the new educational model. They actually expected to
maintain control of their classroom.... and teach. They didn't see any
sense in suspension/expulsion quotas. They actually saw learning not
as a spectator sport, but one in which students actually had to take
an active part. Since they were no longer able to enforce discipline
they actually had the audacity and very unpopular expectation that
administrators take the responsibility.

Their "F*ck the community. Take care of the students" attitude clearly
showed that they were not team players.... one of my favorite teachers
of the era (and one that had tutored many students toward state
honors) was called a dinosaur by the administration as they worked on
the paperwork to document kicking him to the curb.

I could go on...... and on.....

Sounds like a missed opportunity to boot the administration. My son says his
teachers don't take no mess from the kids (to paraphrase a James Brown
song). And, this is in a public school. Nothing fancy. Last year, one of his
friends got straight A grades math & science, and flunked English & social
studies, which meant summer school. The parents complained that this would
ruin their vacation plans. According to the kid, the principal's response
was "How many report cards did you not read since last year? Change your
vacation plans."

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:39:43 -0500, John H.
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:21:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:02:06 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:31:03 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom penned the
following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:



I just spent the evening with a bunch of REAL teachers - the ones who
were
able to put up with their kids for more than 10 years. I have zero
sympathy
for John's troubles with teaching.


I've been in the business for 34 years.

There are a lot of variables. Lacking an administration that has
sufficient male genitalia to actually administrate.... 10 years is a
lifetime.

Perhaps assertiveness training should be a requirement for students
training
to be teachers.


Assertiveness isn't a problem for teachers. Administrators that see
themselves only as good will ambassadors to the community need the
training.

I remember a distinct attitude among my best teachers (late 1960s): ****
the
community. Take care of the students.


Times have changed. School boards are elected. School boards hire
superintendents, who hire and fire principals, who react to parents, who
call their local school board member.

That hasn't changed. What HAS changed is that without a neighborhood
school, there is no social context within which to have high
expectations of performance. We did well in school because we were
expected to.... and there was a cause and effect relationship in
failing to do so. If a student rides the bus 3 hours a day, neither
the student nor the parent feels a closeness to the education
system... cause and effect is 3+ hours away.

Lately, educators have discovered grouping students as the newest
cutting edge phenomenon and use the babelspeak term "cohort" to
describe it.

It is amazing how many obvious truths can be "rediscovered."

It *is* obvious. My son and his posse did it after school (informal
tutoring, interspersed with video games), at whatever home contained the
best snacks on any given day.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:09:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Sounds like a missed opportunity to boot the administration. My son says
his
teachers don't take no mess from the kids (to paraphrase a James Brown
song). And, this is in a public school. Nothing fancy. Last year, one of
his
friends got straight A grades math & science, and flunked English & social
studies, which meant summer school. The parents complained that this would
ruin their vacation plans. According to the kid, the principal's response
was "How many report cards did you not read since last year? Change your
vacation plans."


What you are saying is, "Don't re-elect anybody." I concur, but the
chances are nil......

You lost me with that one. Huh?

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:59:08 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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I remember a distinct attitude among my best teachers (late 1960s): ****
the
community. Take care of the students.


Times have changed. School boards are elected. School boards hire
superintendents, who hire and fire principals, who react to parents, who
call their local school board member.

I haven't seen this problem. Give me examples. Why do parents call, and
about what?


No. I've better things to do than write examples. If you live in a
district
without elected school boards who hire superintendents who hire principals
who react to parents who vote for the school board, then it would be an
exercise in futility to explain how the system works.


You have no problem finding the time to dump meaningless little messages
here all day long. Give up 10 of those for a day, and you'll have the time
to explain what you're talking about.

Otherwise, we will assume you have NO examples.


Assume away!

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:13:52 -0400, HK wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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I remember a distinct attitude among my best teachers (late 1960s): ****
the
community. Take care of the students.

Times have changed. School boards are elected. School boards hire
superintendents, who hire and fire principals, who react to parents, who
call their local school board member.
I haven't seen this problem. Give me examples. Why do parents call, and
about what?

No. I've better things to do than write examples. If you live in a
district
without elected school boards who hire superintendents who hire principals
who react to parents who vote for the school board, then it would be an
exercise in futility to explain how the system works.


You have no problem finding the time to dump meaningless little messages
here all day long. Give up 10 of those for a day, and you'll have the time
to explain what you're talking about.

Otherwise, we will assume you have NO examples.




Crikey, Herring really is an ignorant ass. When I was in public school
back in the dark ages, we had an elected school board responsible for
hiring the superintendent of schools. He thinks this is something new?

The Northern Virginia schools are better off without a racist ass like
Herring. I recall his constant whining about the black kids he had to
teach and the noisy Hispanics who lived down the block. He should have
stayed in the Army.

Harrie, you are *such* a neat guy! It's no wonder you're adored by so many!

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:21:52 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:09:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Sounds like a missed opportunity to boot the administration. My son says
his
teachers don't take no mess from the kids (to paraphrase a James Brown
song). And, this is in a public school. Nothing fancy. Last year, one of
his
friends got straight A grades math & science, and flunked English &
social
studies, which meant summer school. The parents complained that this
would
ruin their vacation plans. According to the kid, the principal's
response
was "How many report cards did you not read since last year? Change your
vacation plans."


What you are saying is, "Don't re-elect anybody." I concur, but the
chances are nil......

You lost me with that one. Huh?


Your suggestion implies cleaning house from the highest to lowest
levels of administration..... good idea.... just not do-able....


Why not? Get enough parents to attend board of ed meetings, and present
actual cases where the administration is doing the wrong thing. If none of
the parents are bothered by this, then you know you've got a room full of
habitual supporters. Time for direct mail. "Do you want your kids cuddled,
or prepared for the real world?....."

Next town over, the admin booted 2 principals in 2 years because they
wouldn't back the teachers when it came to maintaining discipline.

Where do you live? Pussy Junction?