"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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I am really confused by people considering themselves "conservatives"
that stand up for Communist China and their trading partners in the
US.

The most common rationalization I've seen is that money is the best way to
"bring China around". Since it's still a communist dictatorship, they
clearly have not been "brought around". Having said that, I suppose this all
depends on how one defines "bring them around". Perhaps the final goal is
simply to make them a supplier, and never mind that the government isn't
much better than when Mao was in power. We have a long history of doing
business with (or giving military support to) countries with hideous forms
of government.

"HK" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2007 16:10:36 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:


Gene,

Most economist would tell you that the selfish respect for their own
pocketbook is actually the best thing for the American Worker, the
American Consumer and the American Economy.
I guess my response, then, is that we have yet another group of
advisors that are educated far beyond their intelligence.

Walmart abandoned the "Made in America" philosophy when Sam Walton
died... and as far as I am concerned walmart died with him.

There is no way that sending thousands of jobs overseas and billions
of dollars overseas is good for America or Americans. I can't, for the
life of me, understand the change in the American spirit..... when we
proudly bought the best goods available.... and were able to own and
maintain those tools for many years. We now buy cheap, crappy, made in
China junk that is quickly used up and fills our landfills. The net
result of this is a 20 BILLIION dollar PER MONTH balance of trade
deficit with China which they have turned around to be holders of
about 25% (last I heard) of the US's total debt.

Every time you shop at walmart, just know that you are increasing the
national debt to China and cutting another American out of the
potential for earning some part of that purchase price.

This is not a closed economy. A selfish respect for one's own
pocketbook does not mean that you are doing the right thing by your
country or your countrymen. This isn't news.... it is just a shoe on
the other foot. We ought to be smart enough not to fall victim to the
practices and policies that filled the American coffers out of other
countries poor business deals. Apparently, we are not.

It's far worse than you imagine. Most of the food items imported from
China are not properly inspected at the Chinese end and of course with
the cuts here in the FDA, not much in the way of inspections here,
either.

It'll be interesting to watch the reactions to Chinese goods when a few
hundred or thousand Americans die because of tainted food from China.
Wal-Mart will have a special sale in its deep south stores to clear out
the merch.

The labor unions priced us out of the free market. We are in a downward
spiral with little left in the US to labor on. We need to become a
producer of goods again, and the only way that will happen is if the
unions leave the US and invade foreign countries.


Ahh, yes, Americans should be willing to work for 10 cents an hour, like
the workers in Vietnam and China. Yeah, that's the ticket to prosperity.

None of these characters ever attacks the outrageous wages/bonuses paid to
the corporate elite...even when they don't perform and lead the companies on
the downward spiral.

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2007 16:10:36 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:


Gene,

Most economist would tell you that the selfish respect for their own
pocketbook is actually the best thing for the American Worker, the
American Consumer and the American Economy.
I guess my response, then, is that we have yet another group of
advisors that are educated far beyond their intelligence.

Walmart abandoned the "Made in America" philosophy when Sam Walton
died... and as far as I am concerned walmart died with him.

There is no way that sending thousands of jobs overseas and billions
of dollars overseas is good for America or Americans. I can't, for the
life of me, understand the change in the American spirit..... when we
proudly bought the best goods available.... and were able to own and
maintain those tools for many years. We now buy cheap, crappy, made in
China junk that is quickly used up and fills our landfills. The net
result of this is a 20 BILLIION dollar PER MONTH balance of trade
deficit with China which they have turned around to be holders of
about 25% (last I heard) of the US's total debt.

Every time you shop at walmart, just know that you are increasing the
national debt to China and cutting another American out of the
potential for earning some part of that purchase price.

This is not a closed economy. A selfish respect for one's own
pocketbook does not mean that you are doing the right thing by your
country or your countrymen. This isn't news.... it is just a shoe on
the other foot. We ought to be smart enough not to fall victim to the
practices and policies that filled the American coffers out of other
countries poor business deals. Apparently, we are not.
It's far worse than you imagine. Most of the food items imported from
China are not properly inspected at the Chinese end and of course with
the cuts here in the FDA, not much in the way of inspections here,
either.

It'll be interesting to watch the reactions to Chinese goods when a few
hundred or thousand Americans die because of tainted food from China.
Wal-Mart will have a special sale in its deep south stores to clear out
the merch.

The labor unions priced us out of the free market. We are in a downward
spiral with little left in the US to labor on. We need to become a
producer of goods again, and the only way that will happen is if the
unions leave the US and invade foreign countries.

Ahh, yes, Americans should be willing to work for 10 cents an hour, like
the workers in Vietnam and China. Yeah, that's the ticket to prosperity.

None of these characters ever attacks the outrageous wages/bonuses paid to
the corporate elite...even when they don't perform and lead the companies on
the downward spiral.




It's part of being self-satisfied, smug conservatrash. (c.f., Herring,
Smithers, and the rest of the assholes here)

"HK" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2007 16:10:36 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:


Gene,

Most economist would tell you that the selfish respect for their own
pocketbook is actually the best thing for the American Worker, the
American Consumer and the American Economy.
I guess my response, then, is that we have yet another group of
advisors that are educated far beyond their intelligence.

Walmart abandoned the "Made in America" philosophy when Sam Walton
died... and as far as I am concerned walmart died with him.

There is no way that sending thousands of jobs overseas and billions
of dollars overseas is good for America or Americans. I can't, for the
life of me, understand the change in the American spirit..... when we
proudly bought the best goods available.... and were able to own and
maintain those tools for many years. We now buy cheap, crappy, made in
China junk that is quickly used up and fills our landfills. The net
result of this is a 20 BILLIION dollar PER MONTH balance of trade
deficit with China which they have turned around to be holders of
about 25% (last I heard) of the US's total debt.

Every time you shop at walmart, just know that you are increasing the
national debt to China and cutting another American out of the
potential for earning some part of that purchase price.

This is not a closed economy. A selfish respect for one's own
pocketbook does not mean that you are doing the right thing by your
country or your countrymen. This isn't news.... it is just a shoe on
the other foot. We ought to be smart enough not to fall victim to the
practices and policies that filled the American coffers out of other
countries poor business deals. Apparently, we are not.

It's far worse than you imagine. Most of the food items imported from
China are not properly inspected at the Chinese end and of course with
the cuts here in the FDA, not much in the way of inspections here,
either.

It'll be interesting to watch the reactions to Chinese goods when a few
hundred or thousand Americans die because of tainted food from China.
Wal-Mart will have a special sale in its deep south stores to clear out
the merch.

The labor unions priced us out of the free market. We are in a downward
spiral with little left in the US to labor on. We need to become a
producer of goods again, and the only way that will happen is if the
unions leave the US and invade foreign countries.


Ahh, yes, Americans should be willing to work for 10 cents an hour, like
the workers in Vietnam and China. Yeah, that's the ticket to prosperity.

No Kiddin! $.10 They need the unions more than I thought.
How can our unions benefit us long term? Collective bargaining doesn't seem
to be working for us anymore.

"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
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In message , Gene Kearns
sprach forth the following:

I still think it is the wrong thing to do to trade with companies that
increase the national debt to China and cut other Americans out of the
potential for earning some part of that purchase price.

Not everyone can afford a $3,000 Viking fridge.


If the manufacture of a $500 made-in-Mexico refrigerator was transferred
back here, what do you estimate it would cost? I posed this question to
Lands' End about their $30 men's dress shirts, now made overseas, and they
said "We can't disclose that information". ???

"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 10:14:01 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Thu, 31 May 2007 09:05:08 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 31 May 2007 08:32:39 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 30 May 2007 16:10:36 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:



Gene,

Most economist would tell you that the selfish respect for their own
pocketbook is actually the best thing for the American Worker, the
American Consumer and the American Economy.

I guess my response, then, is that we have yet another group of
advisors that are educated far beyond their intelligence.

Walmart abandoned the "Made in America" philosophy when Sam Walton
died... and as far as I am concerned walmart died with him.

There is no way that sending thousands of jobs overseas and billions
of dollars overseas is good for America or Americans. I can't, for the
life of me, understand the change in the American spirit..... when we
proudly bought the best goods available.... and were able to own and
maintain those tools for many years. We now buy cheap, crappy, made in
China junk that is quickly used up and fills our landfills. The net
result of this is a 20 BILLIION dollar PER MONTH balance of trade
deficit with China which they have turned around to be holders of
about 25% (last I heard) of the US's total debt.

Every time you shop at walmart, just know that you are increasing the
national debt to China and cutting another American out of the
potential for earning some part of that purchase price.

This is not a closed economy. A selfish respect for one's own
pocketbook does not mean that you are doing the right thing by your
country or your countrymen. This isn't news.... it is just a shoe on
the other foot. We ought to be smart enough not to fall victim to the
practices and policies that filled the American coffers out of other
countries poor business deals. Apparently, we are not.

Well, you'd have to say the same for Penny's, Macy's, Sears, and the
Dollar
Store. Maybe you'd change the country, but the principle would remain.
Yet,
I see no liberals raising hell about Penny's!

I don't think it has anything with being "liberal" or not.... I don't
consider myself a "liberal." I think is has to do with walmart being
the worst of the worst.

I don't shop at any of the stores above. I used to proudly shop at
Sears and buy the "best" item, knowing that I could probably keep it
for many years. Long before I knew of walmart... somewhere in the 80's
I guess, Sears started buying foreign made junk and I stopped trading
with them.

I still think it is the wrong thing to do to trade with companies that
increase the national debt to China and cut other Americans out of the
potential for earning some part of that purchase price.

I am really confused by people considering themselves "conservatives"
that stand up for Communist China and their trading partners in the
US.

Perhaps you could show me an example of 'standing up for Communist China'.


Su Buying from them. Very simple.

"John H." wrote in message
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Perhaps you could show me an example of 'standing up for Communist
China'.


Su Buying from them. Very simple.


I would love to hear you say you buy nothing made in China, including
components.


Assuming I have a choice, and I'm aware of where something's made, I buy as
little as possible from China. You probably find that odd, the idea of
reading labels.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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Perhaps you could show me an example of 'standing up for Communist
China'.

Su Buying from them. Very simple.

I would love to hear you say you buy nothing made in China, including
components.


Assuming I have a choice, and I'm aware of where something's made, I buy as
little as possible from China. You probably find that odd, the idea of
reading labels.




I don't knowingly buy anything made in the PRC. Sometimes you can't
avoid it, or you find out about it after the sale.

"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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Perhaps you could show me an example of 'standing up for Communist
China'.

Su Buying from them. Very simple.

I would love to hear you say you buy nothing made in China, including
components.


Assuming I have a choice, and I'm aware of where something's made, I buy
as little as possible from China. You probably find that odd, the idea of
reading labels.


I don't knowingly buy anything made in the PRC. Sometimes you can't avoid
it, or you find out about it after the sale.

The world is changing. We have a much more global economy. Isolationism is
a thing of the past. Don't get stuck in the mud.

Eisboch

"RCE" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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Perhaps you could show me an example of 'standing up for Communist
China'.

Su Buying from them. Very simple.

I would love to hear you say you buy nothing made in China, including
components.


Assuming I have a choice, and I'm aware of where something's made, I buy
as little as possible from China. You probably find that odd, the idea
of reading labels.


I don't knowingly buy anything made in the PRC. Sometimes you can't avoid
it, or you find out about it after the sale.

The world is changing. We have a much more global economy. Isolationism
is a thing of the past. Don't get stuck in the mud.

Eisboch


For me, it's not isolationism. I don't like supporting dictatorships. It's
that simple. Chinese workers are not major beneficiaries of our business.
Factory owners are the winners, and they're almost always chosen based on
party allegiances.