On Jun 2, 5:19?am, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Jun 1, 6:10?pm, "JimH" wrote:

BTW: You have it turned around.......they moved from pop to R&R with
this
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(friendly retort.....)
You guys have an odd defintion of rock and roll back there.
Rock obviously meant something different on the west coast.

Ok, here's the acid test. (pun intended)

Which would you rather *dance* to.....

I don't dance but if I did it would be to their early pop songs.

BTW: R&R started in Cleveland, not on the west coast. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

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Rock 'n Roll was born in Memphis Tennesee, on March 3, 1951. That's
the day that Sam Phillips recorded Ike Turner's "Rocket 88"- a 12 bar
blues that discographers generallly agree was the first actual rock 'n
roll record. The record was credited to Jackie Brentson and his Delta
Cats, but it was really Ike Turner's band and Jackie Brentson was his
sax player.

Bill Haley recorded a version of Rocket 88 in June of '51. Back in the
highly segregated early 50's, it was OK to buy a Bill Haley record in
a lot of places where it wouldn't be considered proper to buy a
recording by Ike Turner, so Bill Haley (who did Rock Around The Clock
a couple of years later) had a bit more commercial success with his
record, at this point, than did Ike Turner.

So that's the Memphis version. Thank Sam Phillips and Sun Records for
rock 'n roll, IMO.

What's Cleveland's claim to fame?

Rock music wasn't invented on the west coast, merely perfected here.
:-) The world is still waiting for somebody to top Seattle's own Jimi
Hendrix. :-) :-)

Outta here for the weekend.....

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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:09:25 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 2, 5:19?am, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Jun 1, 6:10?pm, "JimH" wrote:

BTW: You have it turned around.......they moved from pop to R&R with
this
album..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

(friendly retort.....)
You guys have an odd defintion of rock and roll back there.
Rock obviously meant something different on the west coast.

Ok, here's the acid test. (pun intended)

Which would you rather *dance* to.....

I don't dance but if I did it would be to their early pop songs.

BTW: R&R started in Cleveland, not on the west coast. ;-)- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rock 'n Roll was born in Memphis Tennesee, on March 3, 1951. That's
the day that Sam Phillips recorded Ike Turner's "Rocket 88"- a 12 bar
blues that discographers generallly agree was the first actual rock 'n
roll record. The record was credited to Jackie Brentson and his Delta
Cats, but it was really Ike Turner's band and Jackie Brentson was his
sax player.

Bill Haley recorded a version of Rocket 88 in June of '51. Back in the
highly segregated early 50's, it was OK to buy a Bill Haley record in
a lot of places where it wouldn't be considered proper to buy a
recording by Ike Turner, so Bill Haley (who did Rock Around The Clock
a couple of years later) had a bit more commercial success with his
record, at this point, than did Ike Turner.

So that's the Memphis version. Thank Sam Phillips and Sun Records for
rock 'n roll, IMO.

What's Cleveland's claim to fame?

Rock music wasn't invented on the west coast, merely perfected here.
:-) The world is still waiting for somebody to top Seattle's own Jimi
Hendrix. :-) :-)

Outta here for the weekend.....

Have a good one!


What...no kisses & hugs?

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On Jun 2, 5:19?am, "JimH" wrote:
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What's Cleveland's claim to fame?



http://www.history-of-rock.com/freed.htm

We are heading out to the boat in about an hour. Have a nice weekend.

On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:09:25 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 2, 5:19?am, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Jun 1, 6:10?pm, "JimH" wrote:

BTW: You have it turned around.......they moved from pop to R&R with
this
album..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

(friendly retort.....)
You guys have an odd defintion of rock and roll back there.
Rock obviously meant something different on the west coast.

Ok, here's the acid test. (pun intended)

Which would you rather *dance* to.....

I don't dance but if I did it would be to their early pop songs.

BTW: R&R started in Cleveland, not on the west coast. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rock 'n Roll was born in Memphis Tennesee, on March 3, 1951. That's
the day that Sam Phillips recorded Ike Turner's "Rocket 88"- a 12 bar
blues that discographers generallly agree was the first actual rock 'n
roll record. The record was credited to Jackie Brentson and his Delta
Cats, but it was really Ike Turner's band and Jackie Brentson was his
sax player.

Bill Haley recorded a version of Rocket 88 in June of '51. Back in the
highly segregated early 50's, it was OK to buy a Bill Haley record in
a lot of places where it wouldn't be considered proper to buy a
recording by Ike Turner, so Bill Haley (who did Rock Around The Clock
a couple of years later) had a bit more commercial success with his
record, at this point, than did Ike Turner.

So that's the Memphis version. Thank Sam Phillips and Sun Records for
rock 'n roll, IMO.

What's Cleveland's claim to fame?

Rock music wasn't invented on the west coast, merely perfected here.
:-) The world is still waiting for somebody to top Seattle's own Jimi
Hendrix. :-) :-)

Outta here for the weekend.....

Have a good one!

JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Jun 2, 5:19?am, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message


What's Cleveland's claim to fame?



http://www.history-of-rock.com/freed.htm

Nah. George Szell when he conducted the Cleveland Orchestra. During his
tenure, the Cleveland was one of the finest orchestras in the world.

On Jun 2, 1:49 am, Chuck Gould wrote:

And the final arbiter, (big grin here), of course....how much does it
sound like the Rolling Stones? [Brown Sugar vs. A Day in the Life]
The Stones never forgot how to rock n roll.

Well, there was that whold dumb disco bull**** "Steel Wheels" in the
80's!
I can't write as long as yous guys but I will chime in. Although Chuck
notes some great bands, (Hendrix is God, Daltry is close) as well as
Grace, Airplane and otheres, they are not what we here (east coast)
call "Rock and Roll", I find Chucks bands more R+B. Hendrix too is R
+B, more like a weird Aerosmith, I even consider the Stones more R+B
than R+R. Now Thorogood, Nugent, Derringer, Foghat, Seegar,
Springstein, Grand Funk, BTO, even a lot of old Rod Stewart, now that
is Rock and Roll. Think of the songs "Roll over Beetoven", "I drink
alone", "Some kind of wonderful" etc. that is R+R, boom, boom, boom,
boom, that's rock, guitar, bass, drums and a lot of experience with
alcohol,

As far as where it all got started if you go back a little before me I
beleive the first real kick for R+R here was Rock around the Clock
when it became the theme for one of the first real rebel movies and
the kids tore the place apart.

Of course if Brian Setzer (mostly known from his work in the "Stray
Cats") ever comes around go see it, now that is Rock and Roll, solid,
no excuses...

I will say it again. If you are really interested in music from the
mid 50's to present, Rock and Roll, R+B, etc, our music, you need to
check out LittleStevensUndergroundGarage.com and check out a couple of
his shows. I hate this guys politics but the stuff he comes up with is
amazing, great music history mixed with very interesting commentary
from a guy that has live and played in arguably one of the greatest
Rock and Roll bands, "The East Street Band", which is Bruce
Spingstein's backup band. Directly relevant to this conversation are
shows number 260 and 258. One is on the beginning of Rock and Roll,
the other talks about the Chicago influence.

Sorry chuck, mid landers and east coasters really have it sewed up for
R+R and R+B, yous guys brought more acid rock and slower softer beats
to the scene.

Later guys, gotta go make more sausage and beer which is what we are
doing to day with the son in law while the girls go pickout wedding
****..

On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:36:45 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:09:25 -0700, Chuck Gould
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On Jun 2, 5:19?am, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

oups.com...





On Jun 1, 6:10?pm, "JimH" wrote:

BTW: You have it turned around.......they moved from pop to R&R with
this
album..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

(friendly retort.....)
You guys have an odd defintion of rock and roll back there.
Rock obviously meant something different on the west coast.

Ok, here's the acid test. (pun intended)

Which would you rather *dance* to.....

I don't dance but if I did it would be to their early pop songs.

BTW: R&R started in Cleveland, not on the west coast. ;-)- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rock 'n Roll was born in Memphis Tennesee, on March 3, 1951. That's
the day that Sam Phillips recorded Ike Turner's "Rocket 88"- a 12 bar
blues that discographers generallly agree was the first actual rock 'n
roll record. The record was credited to Jackie Brentson and his Delta
Cats, but it was really Ike Turner's band and Jackie Brentson was his
sax player.

Bill Haley recorded a version of Rocket 88 in June of '51. Back in the
highly segregated early 50's, it was OK to buy a Bill Haley record in
a lot of places where it wouldn't be considered proper to buy a
recording by Ike Turner, so Bill Haley (who did Rock Around The Clock
a couple of years later) had a bit more commercial success with his
record, at this point, than did Ike Turner.

So that's the Memphis version. Thank Sam Phillips and Sun Records for
rock 'n roll, IMO.

What's Cleveland's claim to fame?

Rock music wasn't invented on the west coast, merely perfected here.
:-) The world is still waiting for somebody to top Seattle's own Jimi
Hendrix. :-) :-)

Outta here for the weekend.....

Have a good one!


What...no kisses & hugs?


XOXOXOXOX

How's that? Feel better?

The conversation has come off to where and when rock got it's real
start, Go to this link and scroll down to show #260 (pirate radio).
You must have flash player installed to hear the show but it is worth
it. This is one version of the beginning of rock and roll, from
someone who knows how and who, rocks.

http://www.littlestevensundergroundg...y/archive.html

I don't want to sound like a machine but this show is in my opinion a
must listen for anyone who ever and especially those who still rock.
Give it a few minutes, Steven is a great DJ, brings you home.

On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:23:01 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Jun 2, 5:19?am, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message


What's Cleveland's claim to fame?



http://www.history-of-rock.com/freed.htm

Nah. George Szell when he conducted the Cleveland Orchestra. During his
tenure, the Cleveland was one of the finest orchestras in the world.

He made several recordings on the Telarc label which are superb.

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:36:45 -0300, "Don White"
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:09:25 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 2, 5:19?am, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

oups.com...





On Jun 1, 6:10?pm, "JimH" wrote:

BTW: You have it turned around.......they moved from pop to R&R
with
this
album..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

(friendly retort.....)
You guys have an odd defintion of rock and roll back there.
Rock obviously meant something different on the west coast.

Ok, here's the acid test. (pun intended)

Which would you rather *dance* to.....

I don't dance but if I did it would be to their early pop songs.

BTW: R&R started in Cleveland, not on the west coast. ;-)- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rock 'n Roll was born in Memphis Tennesee, on March 3, 1951. That's
the day that Sam Phillips recorded Ike Turner's "Rocket 88"- a 12 bar
blues that discographers generallly agree was the first actual rock 'n
roll record. The record was credited to Jackie Brentson and his Delta
Cats, but it was really Ike Turner's band and Jackie Brentson was his
sax player.

Bill Haley recorded a version of Rocket 88 in June of '51. Back in the
highly segregated early 50's, it was OK to buy a Bill Haley record in
a lot of places where it wouldn't be considered proper to buy a
recording by Ike Turner, so Bill Haley (who did Rock Around The Clock
a couple of years later) had a bit more commercial success with his
record, at this point, than did Ike Turner.

So that's the Memphis version. Thank Sam Phillips and Sun Records for
rock 'n roll, IMO.

What's Cleveland's claim to fame?

Rock music wasn't invented on the west coast, merely perfected here.
:-) The world is still waiting for somebody to top Seattle's own Jimi
Hendrix. :-) :-)

Outta here for the weekend.....

Have a good one!


What...no kisses & hugs?


XOXOXOXOX

How's that? Feel better?

No.. I'm appalled, but I'm sure Chuck appreciates your thoughts.