On Sep 3, 5:56?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:58:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
I attempted to go out in the little Boston Whaler to help but
quickly determined that I'd probably just add to the problem as another
possible casualty due to the sea state we've had up here for the past few
days. (3-5 footers in close chop).

According to Chuck, those don't exist in the North Atlantic. And we
wouldn't be able to properly judge sea state anyway because "most" of
us are bozos with no experience in judging wave action. :)

Only the Manly Men of the Great Pacific North West can properly judge
sea states. :)


According to Chuck the folks in the other thread were unlikely to have
actually encountered SEVEN foot waves on a day when conditions were
reported to have winds of about 15 knots. Once again there is a hell
of a difference between 3 footers, 5 footers, and SEVEN footers

On Sep 3, 5:59?am, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:58:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I attempted to go out in the little Boston Whaler to help but
quickly determined that I'd probably just add to the problem as another
possible casualty due to the sea state we've had up here for the past few
days. (3-5 footers in close chop).

According to Chuck, those don't exist in the North Atlantic. And we
wouldn't be able to properly judge sea state anyway because "most" of
us are bozos with no experience in judging wave action. :)

Only the Manly Men of the Great Pacific North West can properly judge
sea states. :)

Not only that, but you probably don't have the "wave-wind chart" one of
Chuck's commercial sponsors imprints. Without that chart, you couldn't
possibly judge the height of waves and of course there are no wave,
wind, current, tidal or other conditions that might produce variations
not on that chart.

You ought to be the master of wave knowledge, you lying sack of dung.
115 hours on the water over 4 years, with the caveat that if the
weather isn't pleasant enough for your wife to wear her bathing suit
you sit at your computer and post lies to a variety of newsgroups
instead.

Oh, I forgot---- your 115 hours was just on the Parker. I guess you
spend most of your time on the water on your lobster boat, on your
wife's center console, and certainly before that on your Hatteras mega-
yacht.

On Sep 3, 6:03?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:dv0od3delrvtno2h1peh5m7ulf6olvfaq8@4ax .com...

On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:58:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I attempted to go out in the little Boston Whaler to help but
quickly determined that I'd probably just add to the problem as another
possible casualty due to the sea state we've had up here for the past few
days. (3-5 footers in close chop).

According to Chuck, those don't exist in the North Atlantic. And we
wouldn't be able to properly judge sea state anyway because "most" of
us are bozos with no experience in judging wave action. :)

Only the Manly Men of the Great Pacific North West can properly judge
sea states. :)

Somewhere I have some pictures taken during my Navy days aboard a 318 ft
Destroyer Escort at sea in the North Atlantic in February. If I can find
them and scan them, I'll post the on my website.

Maybe seeing the ship's hurricane bow completely submerged and 25 ft waves
crashing on the fantail will convince him.

Eisboch

Nope. 25 foot waves in the middle of the North Atlantic in February
won't convince me that the boaters in the other thread suddenly
encountered legitimate 7 footers on a day when the weather was
otherwise moderate. Chop can be significantly increased by tidal
action or river outflow, but I continue to suspect that the folks who
lost (or abandoned) their boat embellished the height of the chop in
the retelling or, in their panic, overestimated the height of the
waves.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 3, 5:59?am, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:58:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
I attempted to go out in the little Boston Whaler to help but
quickly determined that I'd probably just add to the problem as another
possible casualty due to the sea state we've had up here for the past few
days. (3-5 footers in close chop).
According to Chuck, those don't exist in the North Atlantic. And we
wouldn't be able to properly judge sea state anyway because "most" of
us are bozos with no experience in judging wave action. :)
Only the Manly Men of the Great Pacific North West can properly judge
sea states. :)
Not only that, but you probably don't have the "wave-wind chart" one of
Chuck's commercial sponsors imprints. Without that chart, you couldn't
possibly judge the height of waves and of course there are no wave,
wind, current, tidal or other conditions that might produce variations
not on that chart.

You ought to be the master of wave knowledge, you lying sack of dung.
115 hours on the water over 4 years, with the caveat that if the
weather isn't pleasant enough for your wife to wear her bathing suit
you sit at your computer and post lies to a variety of newsgroups
instead.

Oh, I forgot---- your 115 hours was just on the Parker. I guess you
spend most of your time on the water on your lobster boat, on your
wife's center console, and certainly before that on your Hatteras mega-
yacht.



Heheheh. Tell us how you really feel, Chuck. Don't hold back.

You are right about one thing, though. My wife doesn't like to boat in
crappy cold rainy weather. Neither do I. But up where you live, that
seems to be the norm.

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:56:47 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:58:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I attempted to go out in the little Boston Whaler to help but
quickly determined that I'd probably just add to the problem as another
possible casualty due to the sea state we've had up here for the past few
days. (3-5 footers in close chop).

According to Chuck, those don't exist in the North Atlantic. And we
wouldn't be able to properly judge sea state anyway because "most" of
us are bozos with no experience in judging wave action. :)

Only the Manly Men of the Great Pacific North West can properly judge
sea states. :)

Harry? Is that you? What horse crap.
--
John H

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 08:59:43 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:58:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I attempted to go out in the little Boston Whaler to help but
quickly determined that I'd probably just add to the problem as another
possible casualty due to the sea state we've had up here for the past few
days. (3-5 footers in close chop).

According to Chuck, those don't exist in the North Atlantic. And we
wouldn't be able to properly judge sea state anyway because "most" of
us are bozos with no experience in judging wave action. :)

Only the Manly Men of the Great Pacific North West can properly judge
sea states. :)


Not only that, but you probably don't have the "wave-wind chart" one of
Chuck's commercial sponsors imprints. Without that chart, you couldn't
possibly judge the height of waves and of course there are no wave,
wind, current, tidal or other conditions that might produce variations
not on that chart.

Should've known you'd jump on that one!
--
John H

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Sep 3, 6:03?am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
messagenews:dv0od3delrvtno2h1peh5m7ulf6olvfaq8@4ax .com...

On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:58:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I attempted to go out in the little Boston Whaler to help but
quickly determined that I'd probably just add to the problem as another
possible casualty due to the sea state we've had up here for the past
few
days. (3-5 footers in close chop).

According to Chuck, those don't exist in the North Atlantic. And we
wouldn't be able to properly judge sea state anyway because "most" of
us are bozos with no experience in judging wave action. :)

Only the Manly Men of the Great Pacific North West can properly judge
sea states. :)

Somewhere I have some pictures taken during my Navy days aboard a 318 ft
Destroyer Escort at sea in the North Atlantic in February. If I can find
them and scan them, I'll post the on my website.

Maybe seeing the ship's hurricane bow completely submerged and 25 ft
waves
crashing on the fantail will convince him.

Eisboch

Nope. 25 foot waves in the middle of the North Atlantic in February
won't convince me that the boaters in the other thread suddenly
encountered legitimate 7 footers on a day when the weather was
otherwise moderate. Chop can be significantly increased by tidal
action or river outflow, but I continue to suspect that the folks who
lost (or abandoned) their boat embellished the height of the chop in
the retelling or, in their panic, overestimated the height of the
waves.


Chuck, you are sadly mistaken about changeable conditions here, "here"
meaning where I spent many years boating with my dad, from the Eastern end
of Long Island to Nantucket. And currently, my boating is done on Lake
Ontario, which can be like a pond at noon, and completely insane 4-6 hours
later. There are quite a few large shipwrecks under this lake.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 3, 5:56?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:58:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
I attempted to go out in the little Boston Whaler to help but
quickly determined that I'd probably just add to the problem as another
possible casualty due to the sea state we've had up here for the past few
days. (3-5 footers in close chop).
According to Chuck, those don't exist in the North Atlantic. And we
wouldn't be able to properly judge sea state anyway because "most" of
us are bozos with no experience in judging wave action. :)

Only the Manly Men of the Great Pacific North West can properly judge
sea states. :)


According to Chuck the folks in the other thread were unlikely to have
actually encountered SEVEN foot waves on a day when conditions were
reported to have winds of about 15 knots. Once again there is a hell
of a difference between 3 footers, 5 footers, and SEVEN footers




There are inlets where because of sea, tide, current, depth, and wind
conditions, *huge* breaking waves can occur, especially over or near
bars that are not far underwater. I know of two such inlets where the
channel is deep enough and wide enough for your tug to make a safe
passage on the calmest days, but would be tossed on the hard on more
typical days, for a number of reasons, include five to seven foot breakers.

But you are right about one thing: these is a difference between 3, 5,
and 7 footers.

"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 3, 5:56?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:58:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
I attempted to go out in the little Boston Whaler to help but
quickly determined that I'd probably just add to the problem as another
possible casualty due to the sea state we've had up here for the past
few
days. (3-5 footers in close chop).
According to Chuck, those don't exist in the North Atlantic. And we
wouldn't be able to properly judge sea state anyway because "most" of
us are bozos with no experience in judging wave action. :)

Only the Manly Men of the Great Pacific North West can properly judge
sea states. :)


According to Chuck the folks in the other thread were unlikely to have
actually encountered SEVEN foot waves on a day when conditions were
reported to have winds of about 15 knots. Once again there is a hell
of a difference between 3 footers, 5 footers, and SEVEN footers




There are inlets where because of sea, tide, current, depth, and wind
conditions, *huge* breaking waves can occur, especially over or near bars
that are not far underwater. I know of two such inlets where the channel
is deep enough and wide enough for your tug to make a safe passage on the
calmest days, but would be tossed on the hard on more typical days, for a
number of reasons, include five to seven foot breakers.

But you are right about one thing: these is a difference between 3, 5, and
7 footers.

Yes. The number 2.

On Sep 3, 5:56?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:58:24 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
I attempted to go out in the little Boston Whaler to help but
quickly determined that I'd probably just add to the problem as another
possible casualty due to the sea state we've had up here for the past few
days. (3-5 footers in close chop).

According to Chuck, those don't exist in the North Atlantic. And we
wouldn't be able to properly judge sea state anyway because "most" of
us are bozos with no experience in judging wave action. :)

Only the Manly Men of the Great Pacific North West can properly judge
sea states. :)

After a moment's thought, I realized that your crap-stuffed comment
was either an unprovoked mean and nasty crack or you hadn't read my
comment in the other thread. You being a bright enough guy that you
don't need to resort to the habitual loser's devices of
misrepresenting the remarks of another party to the discussion and
peppering your retort with personal remarks, I'm sure you missed my
comment where I addressed similar insinuations in the other thread.
You either didn't see it, or chose to ignore it while selectively
assembling the evidence to support your accusation.

So here it is again, Tom.

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We seem to be holding two different conversations simultaneously.

Unless I misread your intent, you observed that you encountered 3
footers on your recent fishing trip with the backyard renegade, and
attributed that to opposing winds and currents. Very probable
scenario.


To go from 3 foot chop to 7 foot chop requires a lot more energy.
Given that tidal ebb and flood will be within a couple of knots one
way or the other regardless of the extremity of the tide in almost
any
location other than a narow pass, the energy to go from the 3 footers
you observed to the 7 footers reported by the folks with the swamped
or sinking boat needs to come from the wind.


I have no doubt that you have seen 7-footers and more. It's hard to
imagine 7 foot chop when the winds are 10-15knots, as reported by the
victims of the incident. Seven foot swells, heck yes- not as much a
product of local winds as is chop. Also not really a problem unless
spaced very tightly together at a short period.


The boat photographed in the link will be experiencing waves breaking
on the foredeck in 4-footers, and could be pooped over the transom in
less.

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I'll just assume that additional remarks from you on this issue will
be based on the entirety of my remarks on the subject. Thanks.