On Sep 3, 1:57?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:17:09 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 08:21:39 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

After a moment's thought, I realized that your crap-stuffed comment
was either an unprovoked mean and nasty crack or you hadn't read my
comment in the other thread.

Or he was giving you a friendly poke in the ribs looking for a
"reaction".

It's an old north eastern tradition.

You know - you just can't have any fun on this newsgroup.

Either somebody is going to take it personally, or change the thread
to something about unions/politics/nasty commentary about the personal
nature of whoever.

It's getting freakin' ridiculous. I thought it was perfectly obvious
I was poking a little fun at Chuck, but nnoooooooooo - it's gotta be
something more than what it was.

Unbelievable.

Damn...

Tom, you're right! It was perfectly obvious.

If there's such a thing as a newsgroup "relationship", ours has been
somewhat tense for quite a while. In light of that, I'd try to
specifically avoid making fun of you during a discussion, or of
spontaneously criticizing you in another thread. I'd try to avoid that
because it could very easily be misconstrued. Personal food-fights are
of no real value in the NG. Heck, they're not even really
entertaining. I'd want to try to avoid starting one.

Good friends may have a license to "poke fun" at one another. You and
I are not good friends, if we're anything we are cyber acquaintances.
I'd hope that we can behave like mutually respectful cyber
acquaintances; talk about boats, squabble over differences of opinion,
maybe even engage in an exchange of dueling websites... but without
presuming to make personal remarks part of the discussion. I don't
know you, have never met you, and expect there is more to T.F. than is
apparent in rec.boats. That leaves me well short of qualified to make
personal remarks about you, and if I am being fair to you I would
never presume license to do so.

JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Sep 3, 1:57?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:17:09 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 08:21:39 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:
After a moment's thought, I realized that your crap-stuffed comment
was either an unprovoked mean and nasty crack or you hadn't read my
comment in the other thread.
Or he was giving you a friendly poke in the ribs looking for a
"reaction".
It's an old north eastern tradition.
You know - you just can't have any fun on this newsgroup.

Either somebody is going to take it personally, or change the thread
to something about unions/politics/nasty commentary about the personal
nature of whoever.

It's getting freakin' ridiculous. I thought it was perfectly obvious
I was poking a little fun at Chuck, but nnoooooooooo - it's gotta be
something more than what it was.

Unbelievable.

Damn...
Tom, you're right! It was perfectly obvious.

If there's such a thing as a newsgroup "relationship", ours has been
somewhat tense for quite a while. In light of that, I'd try to
specifically avoid making fun of you during a discussion, or of
spontaneously criticizing you in another thread. I'd try to avoid that
because it could very easily be misconstrued. Personal food-fights are
of no real value in the NG. Heck, they're not even really
entertaining. I'd want to try to avoid starting one.

Good friends may have a license to "poke fun" at one another. You and
I are not good friends, if we're anything we are cyber acquaintances.
I'd hope that we can behave like mutually respectful cyber
acquaintances; talk about boats, squabble over differences of opinion,
maybe even engage in an exchange of dueling websites... but without
presuming to make personal remarks part of the discussion. I don't
know you, have never met you, and expect there is more to T.F. than is
apparent in rec.boats. That leaves me well short of qualified to make
personal remarks about you, and if I am being fair to you I would
never presume license to do so.


I have to remember that excuse........it may come in handy, :-)




Poor Chuck. He dumps on everyone who doesn't meet his standard for
posting, and then when he gets a bit of it back, even in jest, he goes
rip****. Poor Chuck.

On Sep 3, 9:55?am, HK wrote:


Tone done yhour condescending attitude, Chuckster. Not only do you not
know most things, you don't even know most things about boating.
Sometimes "stuff happens" out on the water that has no easy explanation.- Hide quoted text -


Harry, there is a long list of boating-related subjects about which
I'm not qualified to comment.

The list would include most issues dealing with outboard motors, most
issues surrounding fishing, many issues related to the tuning,
rebuilding, or major repair of gasoline engines, some issues related
to diesels. I know darn little about sailing.

As a result, you will seldom find me commenting in threads concerning
those issues- and seldom offering any technical advice in those areas.
Basic rule I try to apply; if you can't speak from experience STFU.
You might consider experimenting with the same standard.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 3, 9:55?am, HK wrote:

Tone done yhour condescending attitude, Chuckster. Not only do you not
know most things, you don't even know most things about boating.
Sometimes "stuff happens" out on the water that has no easy explanation.- Hide quoted text -


Harry, there is a long list of boating-related subjects about which
I'm not qualified to comment.

The list would include most issues dealing with outboard motors, most
issues surrounding fishing, many issues related to the tuning,
rebuilding, or major repair of gasoline engines, some issues related
to diesels. I know darn little about sailing.

As a result, you will seldom find me commenting in threads concerning
those issues- and seldom offering any technical advice in those areas.
Basic rule I try to apply; if you can't speak from experience STFU.
You might consider experimenting with the same standard.



Add to your list wave action in areas with which you have no familiarity.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Sep 3, 6:03?am, "Eisboch" wrote:

Somewhere I have some pictures taken during my Navy days aboard a 318 ft
Destroyer Escort at sea in the North Atlantic in February. If I can find
them and scan them, I'll post the on my website.

Maybe seeing the ship's hurricane bow completely submerged and 25 ft
waves
crashing on the fantail will convince him.

Eisboch

Nope. 25 foot waves in the middle of the North Atlantic in February
won't convince me that the boaters in the other thread suddenly
encountered legitimate 7 footers on a day when the weather was
otherwise moderate. Chop can be significantly increased by tidal
action or river outflow, but I continue to suspect that the folks who
lost (or abandoned) their boat embellished the height of the chop in
the retelling or, in their panic, overestimated the height of the
waves.


I may be out of turn as I didn't read the "other" thread .... whatever it
was.
I also agree that many weekend captains tend to embellish wave height.
However, I can also attest to the fact that the sea state in the Northeast
can change very quickly and dramatically, often due to a storm or front that
is well offshore.

Eisboch

On Sep 3, 4:08 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:15:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

my boating is done on Lake
Ontario, which can be like a pond at noon, and completely insane 4-6 hours
later.

I grew up boating on the eastern end of Lake Ontario and have seen a
few 6 and 7 foot waves from a too small boat. It wasn't pretty and
I'm lucky to be here.

What really fun is when the natural waves from from two directions at once,
along with a couple of wakes from pea-brains who pass within 100' of my
boat.

One of these days....I'm tellin' ya...I'm gonna bring a .45-70 out there
with me. "Officer - I swear it looked like a buffalo". :-)

A good chunk of bunker, and a three oz weight (running water bluefish
rig) and if you are within say 50-60 yards I can put it on your deck

wrote in message
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On Sep 3, 4:08 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:15:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

my boating is done on Lake
Ontario, which can be like a pond at noon, and completely insane 4-6
hours
later.

I grew up boating on the eastern end of Lake Ontario and have seen a
few 6 and 7 foot waves from a too small boat. It wasn't pretty and
I'm lucky to be here.

What really fun is when the natural waves from from two directions at
once,
along with a couple of wakes from pea-brains who pass within 100' of my
boat.

One of these days....I'm tellin' ya...I'm gonna bring a .45-70 out there
with me. "Officer - I swear it looked like a buffalo". :-)

A good chunk of bunker, and a three oz weight (running water bluefish
rig) and if you are within say 50-60 yards I can put it on your deck


There's another idea. I haven't touched the surf casting rod in ages. Maybe
it's time to start practicing.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:15:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

my boating is done on Lake
Ontario, which can be like a pond at noon, and completely insane 4-6 hours
later.

I grew up boating on the eastern end of Lake Ontario and have seen a
few 6 and 7 foot waves from a too small boat. It wasn't pretty and
I'm lucky to be here.

The worst I've experienced as a recreational boater was confused 7-8 footers
about 20 miles off the coast of Delaware. Fortunately, it was on the
Navigator and although bouncy, we were not in any danger. A passing
tropical storm 100 miles offshore was the culprit. At one point,
mid-afternoon, we responded to a Coast Guard request to assist a small,
open fishing boat that was in trouble near our coordinates, however a
commercial ship got to them before us. After that, I opted for an
unscheduled overnight at a marina in Delaware until the storm passed and the
seas calmed down.

Eisboch

On Sep 3, 10:05 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
I don't
know you, have never met you, and expect there is more to T.F. than is
apparent in rec.boats. That leaves me well short of qualified to make
personal remarks about you, and if I am being fair to you I would
never presume license to do so.

I have met TF a few times, on the water, and in route. And in all
seriousness and in my opinion, TF has no "internet persona", what you
see is what you get. He is the same in person as he is here, that has
been my obversation. That being said, I try not to tease him
unless I have a well placed smiley face, becauses, well, TF is SW, and
you just don't mess with SW

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

I grew up boating on the eastern end of Lake Ontario and have seen a
few 6 and 7 foot waves from a too small boat. It wasn't pretty and
I'm lucky to be here.
What really fun is when the natural waves from from two directions at
once,
along with a couple of wakes from pea-brains who pass within 100' of my
boat.

One of these days....I'm tellin' ya...I'm gonna bring a .45-70 out there
with me. "Officer - I swear it looked like a buffalo". :-)


When we were along the ICW in northern Florida, not a day would go by
without a couple of overstuffed "cruisers" wallowing on by, tossing off
absolutely huge wakes that would wash up and over the marshes, erode the
shorelines, rock everyone's floating dock and, on occasion, flip some
poor fisherman's little boat along the edges. But we got our revenge, at
least with some of them: just north of St. Augustine Inlet, there was a
lovely sandbar that lurked just a couple of feet beneath the surface
except at dead low tide and managed to give a couple of the oblivious
"capitanos" a jolt.