On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:32:37 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.

If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.

Wouldn't having the proper tongue weight get rid of much of that? When I
bought the Proline, it did a lot of swaying and acting weird. I checked,
and the tongue weight was only a little over 100lbs, plus the transom hung
out over the last rollers by over a foot.

Adjustments allowed me to pull the boat forward and increase the tongue
weight to the proper amount (about 450lbs). That made a nice difference in
the way the boat handled and in pulling it up a ramp.

The original owner had never towed it. The dealer towed it to the marina,
launched it, parked the trailer, and it was never used again until I bought
the boat. The marina went out of business. Bunch of dumb ****s. They wanted
$450 to transfer the warranty on the boat to me. When I called Proline and
told them this, they were ****ed. Proline did it for $50, which is still a
ripoff.

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.

If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.



Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't think
so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's capacity
without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a very, very
capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the V6 4 Runner
will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb. The V8 also has
part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a slippery ramp.

4 Runners are the most popular SUV at the boat ramps. It's a great
vehicle. I believe I read that 2008 is a "redesign" year for 4 Runner. I
hope they keep the truck ladder frame, because I'll be in the market for
a new one in a year or so.

I hate to pass along useful information to someone like Herring, but if
he is looking at a 4 Runner as a new car and tow vehicle, he's looking
in the right place.

Harry, you are so knowledgeable! Your advice is always most welcome and
appreciated!

Sorry to say that 2008 is the redesign year for the Highlander, but not the
4 Runner. However, I'll tell them your belief, and I'm sure they'll change
their planning!

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:08:08 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs
according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm
thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.
If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.

Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't
think so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's
capacity without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a
very, very capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the
V6 4 Runner will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb.
The V8 also has part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a
slippery ramp.
Damn I hate to edit a post when I am on the phone. Here is the correct
edit.

Harry,
You have stated many times (possible hundreds of times) that you do not
like to tow a boat and have never towed a boat more than a few miles to
the local boat ramp. Your position has always been that you would
rather rent a boat at the location, than tow a boat. Is it possible
that Wayne was talking about towing a boat more than a few miles? Is it
possible that towing a boat at high speeds would impact in how much a
boat and trailer swayed and bounced? Is it possible that passing or being passed by a high
speed semi-truck would impact on the amount of sway the boat/trailer
would have? You probably didn't notice Wayne's comment about "if you do
much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase".

Since you do not do much towing, his comment was not inapplicable to you.

What did you edit? "Not inapplicable" seems applicable to Harry's applied
physics application.


It should read not applicable.

How in the heck can one confuse a 3 for a 7!

That could have been brutal. Even though you were in the right, John,
it was still your fault. LOL!


John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:09:23 -0000, Tim wrote:

On Sep 7, 7:20 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:42:00 -0700, Tim wrote:
On Sep 6, 6:39 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Just what the Dotcor orderd.

a Kaiser/Willys M-715

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.p...r&type=file&fu...

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m715.php3

ask JohnH or Tom Shortwave for details.....

Well, not that one exactly, but my first job in the Army was in an
Artillery Battalion in Fort Devins, Mass. I was chief of the Fire Direction
Control (FDC) section for a 105mm Howitzer Battery. The FDC section had the
M37, 3/4 ton as its primary mover. The thing had the most underpowered
straight six ever made!

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m37.php3


Oh I know, John, thats why I sugggested the m-715 The 37 was a bull
of a truck, just no power.

Thanks for the post. Brought back some good memories, like the time we
almost shelled Ayer, Mass.- Hide quoted text -



Now THAT would have been interesting.

I told the XO over the phone, "Charge 3". He yelled to the gunners, "Charge
7". I could hear him through the tent. You've never heard anyone yell,
"Cease Fire!" so loud in your life. It made one of the visiting general's
jump back, lose his balance, and fall backwards out of his chair.

My LT started to jump in my ****, so I told him to go check the guns, see
what charge was loaded. Sure enough, it was charge 7, which would have put
six 105mm HE rounds in downtown Ayer. That probably would have been a big
loss though, now that I think about it!

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:25:22 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Sure enough, it was charge 7, which would have put
six 105mm HE rounds in downtown Ayer.

Wouldn't have been much of a loss. :)

Oh, I should not have said that.

Still true though. :)

Did I ever tell you the 101st Airborne base camp artillery duel with
one of their own fire bases story?

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:09:23 -0000, Tim wrote:

On Sep 7, 7:20 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:42:00 -0700, Tim wrote:
On Sep 6, 6:39 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Just what the Dotcor orderd.

a Kaiser/Willys M-715

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.p...r&type=file&fu...

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m715.php3

ask JohnH or Tom Shortwave for details.....

Well, not that one exactly, but my first job in the Army was in an
Artillery Battalion in Fort Devins, Mass. I was chief of the Fire Direction
Control (FDC) section for a 105mm Howitzer Battery. The FDC section had the
M37, 3/4 ton as its primary mover. The thing had the most underpowered
straight six ever made!

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m37.php3


Oh I know, John, thats why I sugggested the m-715 The 37 was a bull
of a truck, just no power.

Thanks for the post. Brought back some good memories, like the time we
almost shelled Ayer, Mass.- Hide quoted text -



Now THAT would have been interesting.

I told the XO over the phone, "Charge 3". He yelled to the gunners, "Charge
7". I could hear him through the tent. You've never heard anyone yell,
"Cease Fire!" so loud in your life. It made one of the visiting general's
jump back, lose his balance, and fall backwards out of his chair.

My LT started to jump in my ****, so I told him to go check the guns, see
what charge was loaded. Sure enough, it was charge 7, which would have put
six 105mm HE rounds in downtown Ayer. That probably would have been a big
loss though, now that I think about it!

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:08:08 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs
according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm
thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.
If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.


Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't
think so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's
capacity without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a
very, very capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the
V6 4 Runner will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb.
The V8 also has part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a
slippery ramp.

Damn I hate to edit a post when I am on the phone. Here is the correct
edit.

Harry,
You have stated many times (possible hundreds of times) that you do not
like to tow a boat and have never towed a boat more than a few miles to
the local boat ramp. Your position has always been that you would
rather rent a boat at the location, than tow a boat. Is it possible
that Wayne was talking about towing a boat more than a few miles? Is it
possible that towing a boat at high speeds would impact in how much a
boat and trailer swayed and bounced? Is it possible that passing or being passed by a high
speed semi-truck would impact on the amount of sway the boat/trailer
would have? You probably didn't notice Wayne's comment about "if you do
much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase".

Since you do not do much towing, his comment was not inapplicable to you.

What did you edit? "Not inapplicable" seems applicable to Harry's applied
physics application.

Frogwatch wrote:

On Sep 6, 10:23 pm, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 19:16:34 -0700, Frogwatch wrote:

For awhile I was obsessed with a 1939 Chevy 2 ton dually truck with a
flat bed. It was as simple as it could be. However, even I admit
there have been a few good advances in automotive tech, like
electronic ignition. I can still set the timing on a vehicle with
points and condensor but doing it every few thou miles gets old. I
love modern tires compared to the old ones.

Those old GM's had a 216 inch straight 6 that didn't even feature an oil pump!
It was known as "splash lubrication". There were these little scoops bolted to
the bottoms of the con rods that splashed the oil around.


I looked under the hood of that old chevy and just about fell in
love. Everything looked familiar instead of looking like some
adaptation of alien technology from Area 51.
What I'd like is a 2007 version of very basic technology. Why cant we
have a modern engine made with modern long lasting materials without
all the gadgets? Yes, fuel injection is a greta thing so we do need a
little elecronics but why build something you have to have an EE
degree in to work on.
My 1987 era diesel engine on my sailboat is a good example of such
design philosophy, simple, modern technology and materials and so dang
reliable it makes me love it.
Really, does EVERYBODY want power windows? Doesnt anybody else hate
those damned interior lights that dont turn off for 5 minutes? Does
ANYBODY care about a "CHECK ENGINE" light that doesnt tell you ****?

HATE power windows. Bought an '01 Chevy S10 used; the driver's side
window lasted two months; since then it only goes 1/3 down.

HATE the damn interior lights!

HATE the damn "Check engine" light. Anybody know what the hell a
"Secondary air injection failure" is? Me neither, although it doesn't
seem to bother the engine or the MPG.

DT

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:36:42 -0500, dt wrote:



HATE power windows. Bought an '01 Chevy S10 used; the driver's side
window lasted two months; since then it only goes 1/3 down.

I don't like them either. My kid just fixed one on my Lumina.
The motor/arm assembly cost 165 bucks at the dealer.
And I've had a couple other go dab.
I *never* had to fix a crank.
And I don't like the thought of being in the drink and can't crank my
window down.

HATE the damn interior lights!

What the hell good do they do?

HATE the damn "Check engine" light. Anybody know what the hell a
"Secondary air injection failure" is? Me neither, although it doesn't
seem to bother the engine or the MPG.

Those I like, but I've got a code reader.
And here in Illinois you are grounded when the emissions test
show a code - any code.

--Vic

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:44:02 -0000, Tim wrote:

How in the heck can one confuse a 3 for a 7!

That could have been brutal. Even though you were in the right, John,
it was still your fault. LOL!


John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:09:23 -0000, Tim wrote:

On Sep 7, 7:20 am, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:42:00 -0700, Tim wrote:
On Sep 6, 6:39 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Just what the Dotcor orderd.

a Kaiser/Willys M-715

http://www.steelsoldiers.com/index.p...r&type=file&fu...

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m715.php3

ask JohnH or Tom Shortwave for details.....

Well, not that one exactly, but my first job in the Army was in an
Artillery Battalion in Fort Devins, Mass. I was chief of the Fire Direction
Control (FDC) section for a 105mm Howitzer Battery. The FDC section had the
M37, 3/4 ton as its primary mover. The thing had the most underpowered
straight six ever made!

http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m37.php3


Oh I know, John, thats why I sugggested the m-715 The 37 was a bull
of a truck, just no power.

Thanks for the post. Brought back some good memories, like the time we
almost shelled Ayer, Mass.- Hide quoted text -



Now THAT would have been interesting.

I told the XO over the phone, "Charge 3". He yelled to the gunners, "Charge
7". I could hear him through the tent. You've never heard anyone yell,
"Cease Fire!" so loud in your life. It made one of the visiting general's
jump back, lose his balance, and fall backwards out of his chair.

My LT started to jump in my ****, so I told him to go check the guns, see
what charge was loaded. Sure enough, it was charge 7, which would have put
six 105mm HE rounds in downtown Ayer. That probably would have been a big
loss though, now that I think about it!

Until I became an LT, I thought they were the most f***ed up folks in the
Army. Once I graduated OCS, I realized it was just the ROTC and West
Pointers that were so bad!