On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:47:11 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:25:22 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Sure enough, it was charge 7, which would have put
six 105mm HE rounds in downtown Ayer.

Wouldn't have been much of a loss. :)

Oh, I should not have said that.

Still true though. :)

Did I ever tell you the 101st Airborne base camp artillery duel with
one of their own fire bases story?

Does it start, "This ain't no ****, but..."?

Oh hell, go ahead and tell it! I'd believe anything about the 101st, They
were the ones guarding the section of the perimeter of Cu Chi base camp
where the bad guys came in and blew up 11 Chinooks.

HK wrote:


4 Runners are the most popular SUV at the boat ramps.

Not a chance in hell. It may be a fine vehicle, but there's ZERO chance
that it's the "most popular SUV at the boat ramps". Zero. There are
too many other, more common, SUV's out there.

Ready for a bet, Harry?

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:40:38 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote:

HK wrote:


4 Runners are the most popular SUV at the boat ramps.

Not a chance in hell. It may be a fine vehicle, but there's ZERO chance
that it's the "most popular SUV at the boat ramps". Zero. There are
too many other, more common, SUV's out there.

Ready for a bet, Harry?

You're about to bet with a guy who's been to a boat ramp *at least* three
times in the past three years. Be careful!

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:06:03 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I don't like them either. My kid just fixed one on my Lumina.
The motor/arm assembly cost 165 bucks at the dealer.
And I've had a couple other go dab.
I *never* had to fix a crank.
And I don't like the thought of being in the drink and can't crank my
window down.

You guys are buying the wrong cars. I was driving my old Toyota Camry
the other day and the power windows worked perfectly and always have.
I bought it new in 1992 and gave it to my youngest son when we moved
to Florida 4 years ago. It now has 206,000 miles on it and still runs
great.

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't think
so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's capacity
without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a very, very
capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the V6 4 Runner
will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb. The V8 also has
part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a slippery ramp.

Take it out on the interstate and run a couple of hundred miles at the
speed limit and then come back and talk to us with your new found
expertise.

PS, towing at over a vehicles capacity is not a good thing, some would
say illegal and irresponsible.

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:31:05 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Wouldn't having the proper tongue weight get rid of much of that? When I
bought the Proline, it did a lot of swaying and acting weird. I checked,
and the tongue weight was only a little over 100lbs, plus the transom hung
out over the last rollers by over a foot.

Adjustments allowed me to pull the boat forward and increase the tongue
weight to the proper amount (about 450lbs). That made a nice difference in
the way the boat handled and in pulling it up a ramp.

Proper tongue weight and tire inflation can make a huge difference but
for towing any kind of distance at interstate highway speeds there is
really no substitute for weight and length.

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 08:43:48 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:31:05 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Wouldn't having the proper tongue weight get rid of much of that? When I
bought the Proline, it did a lot of swaying and acting weird. I checked,
and the tongue weight was only a little over 100lbs, plus the transom hung
out over the last rollers by over a foot.

Adjustments allowed me to pull the boat forward and increase the tongue
weight to the proper amount (about 450lbs). That made a nice difference in
the way the boat handled and in pulling it up a ramp.

Proper tongue weight and tire inflation can make a huge difference but
for towing any kind of distance at interstate highway speeds there is
really no substitute for weight and length.

I've never towed a boat faster than about 55. The boat I'm considering will
weigh in at around 2000lbs, give or take, so I won't be approaching the V8
4Runner's capacity.

But, I may just keep the GMC 1500 for towing jobs etc. and forget the
4Runner. Save a bunch of money too.

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 08:25:57 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:06:03 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I don't like them either. My kid just fixed one on my Lumina.
The motor/arm assembly cost 165 bucks at the dealer.
And I've had a couple other go dab.
I *never* had to fix a crank.
And I don't like the thought of being in the drink and can't crank my
window down.

You guys are buying the wrong cars. I was driving my old Toyota Camry
the other day and the power windows worked perfectly and always have.
I bought it new in 1992 and gave it to my youngest son when we moved
to Florida 4 years ago. It now has 206,000 miles on it and still runs
great.

So does my Lumina, and since it only cost $2500 I can handle the
occasional repair. Even without that repair, still rather have a
crank.
I've got nothing against Camrys, except they're not cost effective
for my target - about $3k purchase/maintenance per 100k miles or
10 years, whichever comes first.
I hardly see old Camrys around here, and think those older models like
yours look a lot better than the newer ones, even though I prefer a
bigger car for travel.
Seems to me everything gets supersized. Your Camry looks to be about
the size of current Corollas or Civics. Though maybe they began
upsizing earlier. Not much up on Toys.
Sometimes I think my eyes are deceiving me. A few weeks ago I rented
a car for some of my girls to vacation in Florida, and when they
fetched it from Enterprise and I saw it in the driveway I thought they
had upsized from a Malibu to an Impala.
Took a short ride with them and said "I'm surprised there's this much
tire noise in an Impala."
"Dad, this is a Malibu."
Go figure.

--Vic

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't think
so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's capacity
without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a very, very
capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the V6 4 Runner
will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb. The V8 also has
part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a slippery ramp.

Take it out on the interstate and run a couple of hundred miles at the
speed limit and then come back and talk to us with your new found
expertise.

PS, towing at over a vehicles capacity is not a good thing, some would
say illegal and irresponsible.


My new found expertise? I've been towing boats for more than 40 years.
Today, I towed my boat for three hours total on the interstates and
secondary roads, including some steep inclines, at the maximum
recommended speed for doing so. Gosh, Wayne, nothing bad happened, to
me, the car, or the boat, despite outside temperatures in the high 80s.
The temp gauge on the 4 Runner was just where it always was. The towing
capacity of my 4 Runner is 7000 pounds: my boat and trailer weigh far
less than that.

What's your area of expertise, Wayne? It ain't trailering.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 07:31:05 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Wouldn't having the proper tongue weight get rid of much of that? When I
bought the Proline, it did a lot of swaying and acting weird. I checked,
and the tongue weight was only a little over 100lbs, plus the transom hung
out over the last rollers by over a foot.

Adjustments allowed me to pull the boat forward and increase the tongue
weight to the proper amount (about 450lbs). That made a nice difference in
the way the boat handled and in pulling it up a ramp.

Proper tongue weight and tire inflation can make a huge difference but
for towing any kind of distance at interstate highway speeds there is
really no substitute for weight and length.

What weight and length truck do you use to haul that oversized RV of
yours down I-95? And define highway speeds, since most boat trailing
shouldn't be done at speeds exceeding 60 mph. My average highway speed
while trailing is between 55 and 60 mph. If you are pulling a boat
trailer at 70 or faster, you're going...too fast.