Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:20:05 -0400, Dan intrceptor@gmaildotcom
wrote:

HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:13:45 -0000, thunder
wrote:

However, some states set a maximum towing speed that is sometimes
below the posted limit. 55 max isn't uncommon.

http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm
Agreed that there are a few but not too many. Looking at your site I
was surprised at how many allow 75.

In Florida we regard 75 mph as the "run over" speed on the
interstates, i.e., if you are not going at least that fast you will be
run over, posted speed limit notwithstanding.
Really? I visit Florida several times a year and almost always rent a
car and drive on the interstates there. I rarely drive faster than 65mph
- 67 no matter what the speed limit allows that is higher, and I've
noticed that many other drivers don't, either. Why waste the gas?

I do enjoy seeing the 75 mph and over boys being pulled over for
tickets. What could be nicer?

Hey, it's okay with me if you kill yourself with high-speed driving, but
you're also putting others at risk. That is not ok.


What part of Florida is that? Not where I drive.

Driving too slow can be equally as hazardous as driving too fast. Some
states have minimum highway speeds for that reason.

I drive down I-75 from Chattanooga to Punta Gorda every year,
and see plenty of cars/trucks doing about 65 all the way.
Sometimes I'm behind them, sometimes passing them. Depends.
(he he, I said Depends)
The low limit I recall seeing is 45. Oh oh. Not good.

--Vic




I posted this question on an actual boating forum. The majority of
responders tow at 60-65 mph. A few tow a *lot* faster. Exactly as I
specified here, and for about the same reasons.

Frankly, it warms my heart to see speeders pulled over on the side of
the ride and being written up for a nice, expen$ive ticket. It means for
that moment, and perhaps for the rest of the day, *that* speeder will be
obeying the law and therefore less likely to cause some horrific
accident because of his or her arrogance.

"Traffic laws don't apply to me," is what I heard here from some of the
usual suspects.

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:49:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:11:38 -0400, HK wrote:

we had a bit of fog on the fields this morning.

Same here but we had no problem boating across Long Island Sound, just
a little extra attention to the radar. Running in fog is really not
that different from running at night.

I guess it's a matter of how much experience you have with radar to feel
comfortable. I don't mind running at night, but try to avoid heavy fog.
At night you still have the visual inputs of shoreline landmarks, boat/ship
lights, stars, moonshine, etc. For me, heavy fog (meaning less than a
quarter mile visibility) deletes all lights and distorts the origin of
sound. Although the radar works, I still get a bit uncomfortable in it.
I know other people aren't bothered at all, but it's still something I can't
get used to and feel 100 percent confident in.

I'm not nervous in fog, but I have had a close call at night and in
heavy fog.

Some dumbass thought I was a bouy and he couldn't figure out why I was
moving around.

It's a long story and not worth repeating. :)

Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:49:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:11:38 -0400, HK wrote:

we had a bit of fog on the fields this morning.
Same here but we had no problem boating across Long Island Sound, just
a little extra attention to the radar. Running in fog is really not
that different from running at night.
I guess it's a matter of how much experience you have with radar to feel
comfortable. I don't mind running at night, but try to avoid heavy fog.
At night you still have the visual inputs of shoreline landmarks, boat/ship
lights, stars, moonshine, etc. For me, heavy fog (meaning less than a
quarter mile visibility) deletes all lights and distorts the origin of
sound. Although the radar works, I still get a bit uncomfortable in it.
I know other people aren't bothered at all, but it's still something I can't
get used to and feel 100 percent confident in.

I'm not nervous in fog, but I have had a close call at night and in
heavy fog.

Some dumbass thought I was a bouy and he couldn't figure out why I was
moving around.



We wouldn't make that mistake. We know you're a gull. :}

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:59:38 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:25:00 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

That's why it's best to drive Impalas and Crown Vics with a
spot, and try to look like a cop on vacation with the wife.

The troopers have caught on to that trick and are now targeting the
wannabees for special treatment in drug transit areas.

That was tongue in cheek, of course, but I did once buy a repainted
big Impala with a spot that was once an "official" car. It was a real
good buy. Unfortunately it was repainted in what might be described as
"undercover blue."
Cops never hassled me except I once got jokingly spotlighted by a
similar car, probably narcs. They were laughing as they pulled
alongside, but looked duly embarrassed when they saw the kids.
I used the car a few years before a fifth kid dictated I get a van.
I wouldn't buy such a car again, but it did ok by me. Might have
gotten a few longer looks, but that's all.

I agree with your strategy of blending in with the traffic flow. In
my experience that's the best way to fly under the radar. I also
agree with the trooper strategy of targeting people driving under the
speed limit when everyone else is at the limit or slightly over.
There's a good chance they are impaired, unlicensed, hiding something
or in an unsafe vehicle.

Those are few and far between. Might as well wait for a farm tractor
to lumber by.
No trooper is going to ignore ticketing a guy blowing by at 90 in the
hopes that if he waits a couple days he can nab an old lady or a drunk
he targets doing 55. In a normal 65 mph scenario, he'll find 10 guys
pushing 90 and 100 tailgaters for every car doing 63.
Not to say he shouldn't examine the slow oddities, but I just don't
see many.
I'm on the highway often enough, and in most places I travel I can set
the cruise at 72 and not pass another car for 50 miles.
I don't know where you find all these slowpokes.
Oh wait! It's me! Doing 72 in a 65! Shame on me! (-:

--Vic

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:31:47 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I agree with your strategy of blending in with the traffic flow. In
my experience that's the best way to fly under the radar. I also
agree with the trooper strategy of targeting people driving under the
speed limit when everyone else is at the limit or slightly over.
There's a good chance they are impaired, unlicensed, hiding something
or in an unsafe vehicle.

Those are few and far between.

You would think so, but it seems the opposite from what I've been
told.

Admittedly, you won't be stopped just for driving lower speeds than
the general traffic, but if the LEO has an excuse - like a busted tail
light/head light/windshield or no seat belt in those states where it's
a primary stop, it's almost guarenteed.

And, again from what I've been told, the number of impaired drivers,
drugs, guns, etc., found when doing this is pretty high.

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:26:00 -0400, HK wrote:

We wouldn't make that mistake. We know you're a gull. :}

Heh...

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:14:06 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:



Admittedly, you won't be stopped just for driving lower speeds than
the general traffic, but if the LEO has an excuse - like a busted tail
light/head light/windshield or no seat belt in those states where it's
a primary stop, it's almost guarenteed.

Wish you hadn't reminded me of this, since I almost forgot it.
Dropping a buddy off after a day's fishing.
Cop pulls me over for "inoperative brake light."
I pop the trunk, see that the cooler has knocked the left bulb
assembly from its socket, stick it back in, put the small cooler in
the back seat. Ask my buddy to look while I apply brakes.
"You're good," he says.
The cop watched all this, it only took about 10 seconds, *then* went
ahead and wrote the ticket.
Of course it was thrown out, but I had to go to court.
Asshole.
Using my Mendel readings I devised a simple ticket matrix to teach my
kids how ticket issuance is influenced by known tendencies.
All you have to know is that "asshole" is dominant.
Normal Driver + Normal Cop = maybe ticket, maybe not
Asshole Driver + Normal Cop = Ticket
Normal Driver + Asshole Cop = Ticket
Asshole Driver + Asshole Cop = Tickets (Twins, maybe triplets)

--Vic

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:49:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I guess it's a matter of how much experience you have with radar to feel
comfortable. I don't mind running at night, but try to avoid heavy fog.

It does take some getting used to for all the reasons you mention.
Practive makes perfect of course, as does a really good radar with all
the electronic bells and whistles like target tracking and chart
overlay. Slow speed is your friend, along with sounding the horn when
near radar targets, and keeping a really sharp lookout.

At night you still have the visual inputs of shoreline landmarks, boat/ship
lights, stars, moonshine, etc. For me, heavy fog (meaning less than a
quarter mile visibility) deletes all lights and distorts the origin of
sound. Although the radar works, I still get a bit uncomfortable in it.
I know other people aren't bothered at all, but it's still something I can't
get used to and feel 100 percent confident in.

"HK" wrote in message
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Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:40:17 -0400, HK wrote:

Yes, well, I am sure there are a millions ways to justify speeding.
I drive no faster than the posted speed limit when conditions are
appropriate, and slower when I tow. I doubt any trooper is going to
ticket me for obeying the law.

You are never wrong are you Harry?

Must be nice.


What? When did I claim to be Chuck or Wayne? Hey, if you drive
differently, that's your business. And when you get pulled over for
speeding, that's also your business. I don't get speeding tickets, and am
not likely to. Do you think my claim that a trooper is not likely to pull
me over for not speeding is incorrect?

If the sign says 70, then that is as fast as I will drive, maybe a mile an
hour over that. No faster. When you go faster, you're breaking the law.

And if you don't like the fact that I am towing my boat no faster than 60
mph, why, you are perfectly free to pull into the passing lane and go
around me...so you can fall in behind the RV a mile down the road going 61
mph.



And if you are driving less than the speed limit, and not in the right lane,
the cops can also tag you. And there is a minimum speed limit on the
freeway also.