I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

On Sep 6, 4:39?pm, Frogwatch wrote:
I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Here you go:

No "gimmicks or power crap". No "f*ing lights that don't turn off till
I go back to make sure the door isn't open.". No GPS. no radio, just
simple transportation. As far as longevity goes......WOW!

http://www.hubcapcafe.com/ocs/pages01/f1001501.htm


:-)

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:04:04 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Sep 6, 4:39?pm, Frogwatch wrote:
I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

Here you go:

No "gimmicks or power crap". No "f*ing lights that don't turn off till
I go back to make sure the door isn't open.". No GPS. no radio, just
simple transportation. As far as longevity goes......WOW!

http://www.hubcapcafe.com/ocs/pages01/f1001501.htm


:-)

I take back everything I ever said about you not having a sense of
humor.

ROTFL!!!

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:39:13 -0700, Frogwatch
wrote:

A hi tek luddite

http://www.hindleysgarage.com/gallery_38int.htm

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:39:13 -0700, Frogwatch
wrote:

I b'leve my old Nissan is gonna soon go to old truck paradise but i'll
get another 25K miles outta her (it'll read 333,333 then) first. So,
what then? I need a tow vehicle for my boat and as you see I like to
keep my trucks waaaaay past any reasonable retirement age. However, I
loathe gadgets and power crap and ANYTHING that can get broke. Simple
is best, no power seats, no fu**&*g lights that dont turn off till I
go back to make sure the door isnt open, no built in GPS, no damned
radio, just SIMPLE transportation. Reliability and ease of fixing is a
major issue as is longevity. So, what is there?

A hi tek luddite

How much boat are you pulling? My Sierra has only 135K MILES, but it could
be bought!

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.

If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.

If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.



Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't think
so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's capacity
without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a very, very
capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the V6 4 Runner
will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb. The V8 also has
part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a slippery ramp.

4 Runners are the most popular SUV at the boat ramps. It's a great
vehicle. I believe I read that 2008 is a "redesign" year for 4 Runner. I
hope they keep the truck ladder frame, because I'll be in the market for
a new one in a year or so.

I hate to pass along useful information to someone like Herring, but if
he is looking at a 4 Runner as a new car and tow vehicle, he's looking
in the right place.

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.

If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.



Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't think
so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's capacity
without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a very, very
capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the V6 4 Runner
will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb. The V8 also has
part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a slippery ramp.

4 Runners are the most popular SUV at the boat ramps. It's a great
vehicle. I believe I read that 2008 is a "redesign" year for 4 Runner. I
hope they keep the truck ladder frame, because I'll be in the market for
a new one in a year or so.

I hate to pass along useful information to someone like Herring, but if
he is looking at a 4 Runner as a new car and tow vehicle, he's looking
in the right place.

Harry, you are so knowledgeable! Your advice is always most welcome and
appreciated!

Sorry to say that 2008 is the redesign year for the Highlander, but not the
4 Runner. However, I'll tell them your belief, and I'm sure they'll change
their planning!

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 06:52:39 -0400, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:30:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm thinking of a Toyota 4 Runner. The V8 will pull 7000lbs according to
the local salesman. Haven't checked any further than that as I'm thinking
of pulling something in the neighborhood of 3500.
If you do much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase. It
helps to stabilize the trailer from swaying and bouncing.


Jeeez...ever towed a boat with a V8 4 Runner, Wayne? No? I didn't think
so. I have. I've towed a boat and trailer *over* the 4 Runner's capacity
without having the rig sway and bounce. The V8 4 Runner is a very, very
capable tow vehicle for reasonably sized boats. Even the V6 4 Runner
will handle a 3500 pound boat and trailer with aplomb. The V8 also has
part-time four-wheel drive you can turn on at a slippery ramp.

Harry,
You have stated many times (possible hundreds of times) that you do not
like to tow a boat and have never towed a boat more than a few miles to
the local boat ramp. Your position has always been that you would
rather rent a boat at the location, than tow a boat. Is it possible
that Wayne was talking about towing a boat more than a few miles? Is it
possible that towing a boat at high speeds would impact in how much a
boat and trailer? Is it possible that passing or being passed by a high
speed semi-truck would impact on the amount of sway the boat/trailer
would have? You probably didn't notice Wayne's comment about "if you do
much towing you'll be happier with a longer wheelbase".

Since you do not do much towing, his comment was not inapplicable to you.


4 Runners are the most popular SUV at the boat ramps. It's a great
vehicle. I believe I read that 2008 is a "redesign" year for 4 Runner. I
hope they keep the truck ladder frame, because I'll be in the market for
a new one in a year or so.

I hate to pass along useful information to someone like Herring, but if
he is looking at a 4 Runner as a new car and tow vehicle, he's looking
in the right place.

Harry, you are so knowledgeable! Your advice is always most welcome and
appreciated!

Sorry to say that 2008 is the redesign year for the Highlander, but not the
4 Runner. However, I'll tell them your belief, and I'm sure they'll change
their planning!

HK wrote:


4 Runners are the most popular SUV at the boat ramps.

Not a chance in hell. It may be a fine vehicle, but there's ZERO chance
that it's the "most popular SUV at the boat ramps". Zero. There are
too many other, more common, SUV's out there.

Ready for a bet, Harry?