On Oct 10, 9:44 am, "Toller" wrote:
"sherwindu" wrote in message

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jamesgangnc wrote:

Nope, just fog it and put it away. Nothing wrong with the oil that's in
it.

I had the same concern with my 4-stroke having put only about 12 hours on
it this season. How come we are getting two radically different opinions
here?
Can someone resolve this issue?

I called Honda; if they said to let it go I figured that would be
definitive. But they said to change it. I don't take that as resolving it
though; naturally they are going to take the conservative route to hold down
warranty claims.
But I am going to change it. Probably a waste of oil, but that beats a
waste of an engine.

It is a waste of oil. Lets all waste oil. We can get more form the
middle east.

Of course honda said to change it. What did you expect? But there's
not enough combustion byproducts in that oil to make any difference.
It's not as if oil doesn't pretty much all the time have combustion
byproducts in it. As soon as you run it a little while you've got
combustion byproducts in your oil. So practically the entire life of
your engine you will have combustion byproducts in your oil. Is that
a problem? Don't think so.

Again, I see differing positions. It's not the cost of the oil, but the time
and
effort involved, including disposing of the old oil. As far as gear oil, I
think that
is even less of justification to change. The only time I think gear oil needs
changing
is if it turns milky, indicating that water mixed with it. I think changing
engine oil
on an engine with just a few hours is overkill. If you have nothing better to
do with
your time, knock yourself out.

Toller wrote:

I bought a Honda 4 stroke 2hp motor 6 years ago. The first required
maintenance is at 10 hours; changing the engine oil and the gear case oil.
I used it for about 2 hours and then put it in storage because I sold the
boat I used it on.
I drained the gas, changed the engine oil and the gear case oil.

This year I bought a new boat and put another 2 hours on it, and am putting
it away for the winter.
Should I bother changing the oils? It isn't called for even once for
another 6 hours, and I have already done it once.
On the other hand, I don't want to wreck an expensive motor for a little
oil.
Whatcha think?

"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:00:44 -0500, sherwindu
wrote:

Again, I see differing positions. It's not the cost of the oil, but the
time
and
effort involved, including disposing of the old oil. As far as gear oil,
I
think that
is even less of justification to change. The only time I think gear oil
needs
changing
is if it turns milky, indicating that water mixed with it. I think
changing
engine oil
on an engine with just a few hours is overkill. If you have nothing
better to
do with
your time, knock yourself out.

Toller wrote:

I bought a Honda 4 stroke 2hp motor 6 years ago. The first required
maintenance is at 10 hours; changing the engine oil and the gear case
oil.
I used it for about 2 hours and then put it in storage because I sold
the
boat I used it on.
I drained the gas, changed the engine oil and the gear case oil.

This year I bought a new boat and put another 2 hours on it, and am
putting
it away for the winter.
Should I bother changing the oils? It isn't called for even once for
another 6 hours, and I have already done it once.
On the other hand, I don't want to wreck an expensive motor for a little
oil.
Whatcha think?

Don't know the laws in your state, but in Virginia almost every gas
station
accepts used oil.

My wife has a new Toyota Highlander. The maintenance schedule calls for an
oil change every 5000 miles or six months, whichever occurs first. During
the first six months, she put almost 1200 miles on the vehicle.

Should she have changed the oil at the six month mark?


Certainly. That's why they say 5000 miles *or* six months.
Particularly important with a new engine that is being broken in.

Eisboch

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:00:44 -0500, sherwindu
wrote:

Again, I see differing positions. It's not the cost of the oil, but the time
and
effort involved, including disposing of the old oil. As far as gear oil, I
think that
is even less of justification to change. The only time I think gear oil needs
changing
is if it turns milky, indicating that water mixed with it. I think changing
engine oil
on an engine with just a few hours is overkill. If you have nothing better to
do with
your time, knock yourself out.

Toller wrote:

I bought a Honda 4 stroke 2hp motor 6 years ago. The first required
maintenance is at 10 hours; changing the engine oil and the gear case oil.
I used it for about 2 hours and then put it in storage because I sold the
boat I used it on.
I drained the gas, changed the engine oil and the gear case oil.

This year I bought a new boat and put another 2 hours on it, and am putting
it away for the winter.
Should I bother changing the oils? It isn't called for even once for
another 6 hours, and I have already done it once.
On the other hand, I don't want to wreck an expensive motor for a little
oil.
Whatcha think?

Don't know the laws in your state, but in Virginia almost every gas station
accepts used oil.

My wife has a new Toyota Highlander. The maintenance schedule calls for an
oil change every 5000 miles or six months, whichever occurs first. During
the first six months, she put almost 1200 miles on the vehicle.

Should she have changed the oil at the six month mark?

People, this is not a worn out oil question it is a winterizing - lay
up question.

Why do we change the oil (gear or crankcase) for lay up? It is not
because the oil is worn out, it is to get fresh oil in there before
the lay up. Why fresh oil rather than oil that has been sitting in
there for a while (used or unused)? Because we don't want any
moisture in there as the engine sits all winter (or for several
years). If you change the oil, you also drain out any condensed
moisture that is in there, and replace it with moisture free oil.

That condensation/moisture issue is not based on how many hours of
use, but how long the oil's been in there and under what conditions.

It is more important to change oil before the lay up than after. If
you put new lube in there for lay up, you really don't have to change
it in the spring or whenever it's been put back into service.

Why the HECK anyone would avoid the trivial expense and effort of
changing lubricants before a lay up just doesn't make any sense.

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Toller wrote:
I bought a Honda 4 stroke 2hp motor 6 years ago. The first required
maintenance is at 10 hours; changing the engine oil and the gear case
oil.
I used it for about 2 hours and then put it in storage because I sold the
boat I used it on.
I drained the gas, changed the engine oil and the gear case oil.

This year I bought a new boat and put another 2 hours on it, and am
putting it away for the winter.
Should I bother changing the oils? It isn't called for even once for
another 6 hours, and I have already done it once.
On the other hand, I don't want to wreck an expensive motor for a little
oil.
Whatcha think?

Change the oil. What's a few bucks for oil compared to the price of the
motor?


That's right...especially the gearcase oil. I'd also fog the cylinder.
The owners manual must mention winterizing.



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