wrote:


Who ever told you that it's in that order?? The power generated at
Lake Lanier, which in your order is #2, is very little, and alot of
times, none. Under normal rain conditions, when downstream waters get
replenished by the rain, instead of relying on Lanier, they don't even
release water, so no production. As to Harry's comment that first and
foremost it's a reservior, that is correct. It's where water is
collected and stored. And yes, flood control is part of the reason for
the lake, but not necessarily the top reason. As a side note, Lanier
wouldn't be in such bad shape if, during this continuing drought, a
big mistake had not been made. The Army Corp installed a new lake
gauge in winter of '05 and it wasn't calibrated correctly, and they
dumped 20 some billion gallons into the Hooch.


While that might be true, what do you know about concrete?

wrote:
On Oct 18, 7:35 pm, Jack Redington wrote:

wrote:

On Oct 17, 4:58 pm, Tim wrote:

wrote:

On Oct 16, 2:29 pm, Tim wrote:

wrote:

From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website:
Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake
Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection,
power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and
wildlife management.

Same way with Lake Carlyle . that is with exception of power
production.

It is fed by the Kaskaskia river, and it's level has dropped
considerably. it is a huge man made lake and is about 4 mi wide and 10
mi long. But in many places the shore line is rather shallow. in some
cases un aprochable with a typical runabout up to 150 ft from shore.
But when the lake is full, these spots are usually navagational within
50-75 ft.

Still plenty deep in the middle, but unhandy for reaching beach lines.

Lake Lanier is fed by two rivers, each runoff from the mountains, so
there is a LOT of water being pushed down, normally. Because of
downstream concerns plus Atlanta's thirst, they are still, even with
drought conditions releasing anywhere from 600 to 900 million gallons
per day. Lanier is a really cool lake, because of the mountainous
conditions, there are many coves and what used to be creek inlets to
explore. How far is your lake down? Lanier is down 12 feet (so far).

I don't really know how much it has dropped and really don't know how
to find the actual stats, but on the south end the lake is dammed, and
there's very little coming over the spill way.

kaskaskia isn't a large river, but now it's about like a creek.

I saw a bit ont he Weather Channel about Lake Hartwell. It's in bad
shape too.

fortunately for our area, it's been raining fairly steady for the last
three hrs and I did look and saw its steady on Carlyle too. But it
won't effect the lake much at all, unless the rains start saturating
up north to flow down.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tim, if it's an Army Corp lake, you can get current stats,
predictions, etc from the Corp's website. Yes, Hartwell is in bad
shape too. Oconee is the only one in these parts not suffering.

I think Hartwell is down about 10-11 ft and things do not look good.
Last weekend I had 15 ft under my dock in Gumlog creek. But our place is
blessed with deep water. My biggest concern is getting out of Gumlog
Creek to the main channel. There is one point that is rather skinny, but
I check it last weekend and there is a skinny, but deep path threw it.

At this time I am considering if I should get a trailer for the runabout
and pull it. If this goes into next year I don't want to be stuck with
the boat on the lift and no way to get it out. ie ramp access etc.

Capt Jack R.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I've fished up in Gumlog creek. Had a friend who had a place close to
there. Lake Lanier is now down 14 feet, they are saying there's enough
water for 80 days. Army Corp of Engineers, because of their attitude
that no one can make a decision unless it's in some obscure code or
law, won't stop; discharging even now!


Well if you are ever in the area again let me know.

And I agree, the corp is going to keep doing this even though it really
does not make any sense to me. Where I live they pull water from Lanier.

I guess when the place is dry they will stop :-(

Capt Jack R..

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
John H. wrote:


"The Corps says it is just executing the law: it is required to keep the
flow of water coming to two federally-protected species of freshwater
mussels and a small coal-fired power plant in Florida. Moreover, other
federally-controlled reservoirs are depleted, so it has to come from
Lanier."

I wonder what green shirted tree hugger got the law passed in the first
place. The Corps of Engineers does not make laws. Nor can it decide which
laws to obey and which to forget. Perhaps it's time to get the Algore
folks
on the hill involved. Oh, wait, they'd be all for the mussels, not the
people of Atlanta.



The Corp has started the process to update their water management plan:

http://isakson.senate.gov/press/2007/101207water.htm

I just hope there is water to manage when the new plan is finished.

Capt Jack R..

lid wrote:
trainfan1 wrote:

One interesting point made is that it took 3 years, 1956 to 1959, to
reach full pool... even w/o modern demands. Lanier is in trouble.


On Fri, 19 Oct 07, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote:

If they had a year of normal rain, the lake could be back to full
levels in a year. While this is the lowest level, we have had other
years when it was very low.


So.... did Atlanta/Lake Lanier get drenched last night? The radar I
was watching just showed state lines and it was hard to tell. Looked
like the rain storms may have past to the south of them. But I haven't
heard word one from anybody who actually lives there. If that storm
missed them, they really missed a deluge (we got drenched here on the
Gulf Coast and then sent it on up their way).

Rick

Well in Suwanee (just north of Atlanta/Closer to Lanier) we got very
little. One report said we got as much as a half inch somtime after
midnight. But my car was dry by 8:30 so it was not here. When I was
hitting my snooze button the talking heads on the radio said it was
harder above (north) and below (south) of the city. I hope that is true.
But either way I think all it did was add alittle green to the grass.

Capt Jack R..

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:25:36 -0400, Jack Redington wrote:


And I agree, the corp is going to keep doing this even though it really
does not make any sense to me. Where I live they pull water from Lanier.

I guess when the place is dry they will stop :-(

Apparently, it's headed to court. Just today, I heard someone is suing the Corps about water
flows and Georgia reservoirs. I was just a news blurb that I caught, so I have no specifics.

This DOES look bad!

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/officia...00010000000001

On Oct 20, 9:03 am, Tim wrote:
This DOES look bad!

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/officia...s-in-atlanta/2...

Ok, I have only been watching what I see on the news but is the corps
still blowing water out the dams for no apparant reason (as they have
suggested in some reports)? And as this lake gets smaller, and the
story and visuals get bigger, does it serve to help the Global taxing
crowd prove their points?

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:03:23 -0700, Tim wrote:

This DOES look bad!

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/officia...9214109990001?
ncid=NWS00010000000001

Yes it does. I wish all the locals luck. Maybe a very wet, low wind, hurricane?

Here, we have had several, fortunately minor, droughts. Some people just don't seem to get
water restrictions, with "midnight" lawn watering and such. One thing this state has done, if
I'm not mistaken, all commercial car washing businesses now recycle their water.

On Oct 19, 9:25 pm, Jack Redington wrote:
wrote:
On Oct 18, 7:35 pm, Jack Redington wrote:

wrote:

On Oct 17, 4:58 pm, Tim wrote:

wrote:

On Oct 16, 2:29 pm, Tim wrote:

wrote:

From Lake Lanier Army Corp of Engineers website:
Constructed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the 1950's, Lake
Lanier is a multi-purpose lake that provides for flood protection,
power production, water supply, navigation, recreation and fish and
wildlife management.

Same way with Lake Carlyle . that is with exception of power
production.

It is fed by the Kaskaskia river, and it's level has dropped
considerably. it is a huge man made lake and is about 4 mi wide and 10
mi long. But in many places the shore line is rather shallow. in some
cases un aprochable with a typical runabout up to 150 ft from shore.
But when the lake is full, these spots are usually navagational within
50-75 ft.

Still plenty deep in the middle, but unhandy for reaching beach lines.

Lake Lanier is fed by two rivers, each runoff from the mountains, so
there is a LOT of water being pushed down, normally. Because of
downstream concerns plus Atlanta's thirst, they are still, even with
drought conditions releasing anywhere from 600 to 900 million gallons
per day. Lanier is a really cool lake, because of the mountainous
conditions, there are many coves and what used to be creek inlets to
explore. How far is your lake down? Lanier is down 12 feet (so far).

I don't really know how much it has dropped and really don't know how
to find the actual stats, but on the south end the lake is dammed, and
there's very little coming over the spill way.

kaskaskia isn't a large river, but now it's about like a creek.

I saw a bit ont he Weather Channel about Lake Hartwell. It's in bad
shape too.

fortunately for our area, it's been raining fairly steady for the last
three hrs and I did look and saw its steady on Carlyle too. But it
won't effect the lake much at all, unless the rains start saturating
up north to flow down.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tim, if it's an Army Corp lake, you can get current stats,
predictions, etc from the Corp's website. Yes, Hartwell is in bad
shape too. Oconee is the only one in these parts not suffering.

I think Hartwell is down about 10-11 ft and things do not look good.
Last weekend I had 15 ft under my dock in Gumlog creek. But our place is
blessed with deep water. My biggest concern is getting out of Gumlog
Creek to the main channel. There is one point that is rather skinny, but
I check it last weekend and there is a skinny, but deep path threw it.

At this time I am considering if I should get a trailer for the runabout
and pull it. If this goes into next year I don't want to be stuck with
the boat on the lift and no way to get it out. ie ramp access etc.

Capt Jack R.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I've fished up in Gumlog creek. Had a friend who had a place close to
there. Lake Lanier is now down 14 feet, they are saying there's enough
water for 80 days. Army Corp of Engineers, because of their attitude
that no one can make a decision unless it's in some obscure code or
law, won't stop; discharging even now!

Well if you are ever in the area again let me know.

I'll do that, thanks!

And I agree, the corp is going to keep doing this even though it really
does not make any sense to me. Where I live they pull water from Lanier.

I guess when the place is dry they will stop :-(

Capt Jack R..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As of last night, the state has filed an injunction to try and get
this madness stopped. I've dealt with the Corp, and have vowed to
never, ever take a project that they are involved in. They get to use
zero engineering judgement, and can only do what is spelled out in a
manual, or code book.

"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:03:23 -0700, Tim wrote:

This DOES look bad!

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/officia...9214109990001?
ncid=NWS00010000000001

Yes it does. I wish all the locals luck. Maybe a very wet, low wind,
hurricane?

Here, we have had several, fortunately minor, droughts. Some people just
don't seem to get
water restrictions, with "midnight" lawn watering and such. One thing
this state has done, if
I'm not mistaken, all commercial car washing businesses now recycle their
water.

That's why I avoid them in winter and wash by hand when I'm able. I don't
want road salt solution pressure sprayed into every crevice on my vehicles.