On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:06:51 -0400, HK wrote:



The ICW fishing in NE Florida is not crowded. There are kazillions of
spots. We used to live almost directly across the ICW from the St.
Augustine seaplane basin, and I'd usually motor over there at least once
a week to catch reds and flounder and amazingly, the occasional tarpon.

There are dozens and dozens of creeks off the ICW, plus the ICW itself.

Never very many boats in one spot.

Dammit! I can't be driving all over hell, deciding!
But thanks, though I was hoping you wouldn't say that (-:
Now I just hope Larry doesn't pipe up, and I have to drive to
Charleston too!

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:06:51 -0400, HK wrote:



The ICW fishing in NE Florida is not crowded. There are kazillions of
spots. We used to live almost directly across the ICW from the St.
Augustine seaplane basin, and I'd usually motor over there at least once
a week to catch reds and flounder and amazingly, the occasional tarpon.

There are dozens and dozens of creeks off the ICW, plus the ICW itself.

Never very many boats in one spot.

Dammit! I can't be driving all over hell, deciding!
But thanks, though I was hoping you wouldn't say that (-:
Now I just hope Larry doesn't pipe up, and I have to drive to
Charleston too!

--Vic

If you want world class large mouth bass fishing get on over to the Stick
Marsh / Farm 13.

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:55:28 -0500, lid wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
in Cook
county. RE tax last year was 4K, for a 1200 sq ft house
gfretwell wrote:
we cap tax hikes to
3% for homesteaded residents.
hmm.... I think I'll stay put.
1,500 sq ft, on an acre within the city limits, $850 after Homestead
Exemption. After age 65, that'll drop to zero.
Sales tax is 7%. There was a big push last year to raise sales tax on
cigarettes and eliminate it completely on groceries but in the end, it
didn't quite fly. That idea's not dead yet though.
We have a State Income Tax but compared to Federal, it's not enough to
complain about.
Insurance is another matter. I'm on the MS Coast in the area that took
the brunt of Katrina (no, contrary to the news media coverage, New
Orleans dodged the worst of it). Personally, I feel fortunate to have
insurance at all. But I'm on high ground almost a mile from the beach.
Most of the people I know who lost their homes (includes every home on
the beachfront and at least a block or two inland) aren't able to
rebuild because insurance simply isn't available. And most people
who've been able to keep the insurance they had, are paying twice (at
least) the premium they were before. Some premiums went up by
10X.-20X. It's a huge political issue here presently and some people
think it'll be resolved politically somehow... -shrug- ... frankly, I
don't know. Maybe the extreme cases will eventually be lowered but I
believe high premiums are here to stay.

Insurance prices don't often come down. Wish I knew more about your
area. I'm looking at Florida mostly because I have relatives there
and I'm a bit familiar with it, and like the gulf, which is usually
pretty flat. The Atlantic side is infested with big surf and big
tough guys like Harry, Tom, Wayne, etc. Scary.
I'm sort of a laid back pansy now, like the gulf usually is.

--Vic


Ever been fishing in NE Florida? No need to go out into the Atlantic.
Plenty of great fishing in the ICW, and all you need there is a
Carolina Skiff. Redfish, seatrout, flounder, catfish a'plenty, plus
if you go inland in fresh water, bluegills, largemouth bass, et cetera.

Harry,
Didn't you do most of your fishing in the backwater? I wouldn't think
your 17' jon boat would be a good bluewater boat.



Sorry, S.F.B., never owned a jon boat.

I am sorry, I thought you said you purchased the 17 ft'er so you could
fish in the skinny water. Since it isn't a jon boat, what do you call it.

HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:32:02 -0400, HK wrote:


Ever been fishing in NE Florida? No need to go out into the Atlantic.
Plenty of great fishing in the ICW, and all you need there is a
Carolina Skiff. Redfish, seatrout, flounder, catfish a'plenty, plus
if you go inland in fresh water, bluegills, largemouth bass, et cetera.

Hutchinson Island surf, and the IC bridges around there. Went shore
fishing at one or two of the inlets, Sebastian was one I think.
I always had a bunch of kids, and after the obligatory couple day
visit with my dad shot over to the Clearwater of St. Pete, where
I didn't have to worry about the kids being swept out to sea.
But I take your point. My dad - who was a maniac fisherman - swears
by east coast fishing and always gripes about moving from Hutchinson
to the gulf side.
Personally, the wind and surf on the east side got tiresome quicker
for me than the heat on the west side.
The "pace" and crowds seem less on the west side too.
And the IC on east side seemed much more crowded and narrow, but maybe
that's a product of my limited experience there and/or faulty
recollection.
--Vic


The ICW fishing in NE Florida is not crowded. There are kazillions of
spots. We used to live almost directly across the ICW from the St.
Augustine seaplane basin, and I'd usually motor over there at least once
a week to catch reds and flounder and amazingly, the occasional tarpon.

There are dozens and dozens of creeks off the ICW, plus the ICW itself.

Never very many boats in one spot.

I thought you preferred the creeks and inlets. I understand the fishing
is great for red and flounder.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:55:28 -0500, lid wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
in Cook
county. RE tax last year was 4K, for a 1200 sq ft house
gfretwell wrote:
we cap tax hikes to
3% for homesteaded residents.
hmm.... I think I'll stay put.
1,500 sq ft, on an acre within the city limits, $850 after Homestead
Exemption. After age 65, that'll drop to zero.
Sales tax is 7%. There was a big push last year to raise sales
tax on
cigarettes and eliminate it completely on groceries but in the
end, it
didn't quite fly. That idea's not dead yet though.
We have a State Income Tax but compared to Federal, it's not
enough to
complain about.
Insurance is another matter. I'm on the MS Coast in the area that
took
the brunt of Katrina (no, contrary to the news media coverage, New
Orleans dodged the worst of it). Personally, I feel fortunate to have
insurance at all. But I'm on high ground almost a mile from the
beach.
Most of the people I know who lost their homes (includes every
home on
the beachfront and at least a block or two inland) aren't able to
rebuild because insurance simply isn't available. And most people
who've been able to keep the insurance they had, are paying twice (at
least) the premium they were before. Some premiums went up by
10X.-20X. It's a huge political issue here presently and some people
think it'll be resolved politically somehow... -shrug- ... frankly, I
don't know. Maybe the extreme cases will eventually be lowered but I
believe high premiums are here to stay.

Insurance prices don't often come down. Wish I knew more about your
area. I'm looking at Florida mostly because I have relatives there
and I'm a bit familiar with it, and like the gulf, which is usually
pretty flat. The Atlantic side is infested with big surf and big
tough guys like Harry, Tom, Wayne, etc. Scary.
I'm sort of a laid back pansy now, like the gulf usually is.

--Vic


Ever been fishing in NE Florida? No need to go out into the
Atlantic. Plenty of great fishing in the ICW, and all you need there
is a Carolina Skiff. Redfish, seatrout, flounder, catfish a'plenty,
plus if you go inland in fresh water, bluegills, largemouth bass, et
cetera.

Harry,
Didn't you do most of your fishing in the backwater? I wouldn't
think your 17' jon boat would be a good bluewater boat.



Sorry, S.F.B., never owned a jon boat.

I am sorry, I thought you said you purchased the 17 ft'er so you could
fish in the skinny water. Since it isn't a jon boat, what do you call it.



You must have me confused with one of those guys you picked up in the
airport men's room.

To what 17-footer are you referring?

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:32:02 -0400, HK wrote:


Ever been fishing in NE Florida? No need to go out into the
Atlantic. Plenty of great fishing in the ICW, and all you need there
is a Carolina Skiff. Redfish, seatrout, flounder, catfish a'plenty,
plus if you go inland in fresh water, bluegills, largemouth bass, et
cetera.

Hutchinson Island surf, and the IC bridges around there. Went shore
fishing at one or two of the inlets, Sebastian was one I think.
I always had a bunch of kids, and after the obligatory couple day
visit with my dad shot over to the Clearwater of St. Pete, where
I didn't have to worry about the kids being swept out to sea.
But I take your point. My dad - who was a maniac fisherman - swears
by east coast fishing and always gripes about moving from Hutchinson
to the gulf side.
Personally, the wind and surf on the east side got tiresome quicker
for me than the heat on the west side.
The "pace" and crowds seem less on the west side too.
And the IC on east side seemed much more crowded and narrow, but maybe
that's a product of my limited experience there and/or faulty
recollection.
--Vic


The ICW fishing in NE Florida is not crowded. There are kazillions of
spots. We used to live almost directly across the ICW from the St.
Augustine seaplane basin, and I'd usually motor over there at least
once a week to catch reds and flounder and amazingly, the occasional
tarpon.

There are dozens and dozens of creeks off the ICW, plus the ICW itself.

Never very many boats in one spot.

I thought you preferred the creeks and inlets. I understand the fishing
is great for red and flounder.


You are making less sense with these posts than usual, and your usual
standard is nonsensical. Are you chugging beers?

Vic Smith wrote:
you'll find the gulf more
often less bumpy than the Atlantic.

Not sure the point in comparing one large body of water with another.
If you're swamped and drowning, you won't really care how often which
body is bumpy. I grew up on the water here and lived here for 60
years. I'm just saying, otherwise competent people come down here on a
regular basis and underestimate the Gulf's unpredictable nature, much
to their regret. And it happens fairly often, every damn year. I
don't know why.

Rick

HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:55:28 -0500, lid wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
in Cook
county. RE tax last year was 4K, for a 1200 sq ft house
gfretwell wrote:
we cap tax hikes to
3% for homesteaded residents.
hmm.... I think I'll stay put.
1,500 sq ft, on an acre within the city limits, $850 after Homestead
Exemption. After age 65, that'll drop to zero.
Sales tax is 7%. There was a big push last year to raise sales
tax on
cigarettes and eliminate it completely on groceries but in the
end, it
didn't quite fly. That idea's not dead yet though.
We have a State Income Tax but compared to Federal, it's not
enough to
complain about.
Insurance is another matter. I'm on the MS Coast in the area that
took
the brunt of Katrina (no, contrary to the news media coverage, New
Orleans dodged the worst of it). Personally, I feel fortunate to
have
insurance at all. But I'm on high ground almost a mile from the
beach.
Most of the people I know who lost their homes (includes every
home on
the beachfront and at least a block or two inland) aren't able to
rebuild because insurance simply isn't available. And most people
who've been able to keep the insurance they had, are paying twice
(at
least) the premium they were before. Some premiums went up by
10X.-20X. It's a huge political issue here presently and some
people
think it'll be resolved politically somehow... -shrug- ...
frankly, I
don't know. Maybe the extreme cases will eventually be lowered but I
believe high premiums are here to stay.

Insurance prices don't often come down. Wish I knew more about your
area. I'm looking at Florida mostly because I have relatives there
and I'm a bit familiar with it, and like the gulf, which is usually
pretty flat. The Atlantic side is infested with big surf and big
tough guys like Harry, Tom, Wayne, etc. Scary.
I'm sort of a laid back pansy now, like the gulf usually is.

--Vic


Ever been fishing in NE Florida? No need to go out into the
Atlantic. Plenty of great fishing in the ICW, and all you need
there is a Carolina Skiff. Redfish, seatrout, flounder, catfish
a'plenty, plus if you go inland in fresh water, bluegills,
largemouth bass, et cetera.

Harry,
Didn't you do most of your fishing in the backwater? I wouldn't
think your 17' jon boat would be a good bluewater boat.



Sorry, S.F.B., never owned a jon boat.

I am sorry, I thought you said you purchased the 17 ft'er so you could
fish in the skinny water. Since it isn't a jon boat, what do you call
it.



You must have me confused with one of those guys you picked up in the
airport men's room.

To what 17-footer are you referring?

I think it was called a SeaPro, it was the boat you had in FL.

lid wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
you'll find the gulf more
often less bumpy than the Atlantic.

Not sure the point in comparing one large body of water with another.
If you're swamped and drowning, you won't really care how often which
body is bumpy. I grew up on the water here and lived here for 60
years. I'm just saying, otherwise competent people come down here on a
regular basis and underestimate the Gulf's unpredictable nature, much
to their regret. And it happens fairly often, every damn year. I
don't know why.

Rick


My feeling is that the Gulf is less predictable than the Atlantic in
terms of sudden onset tostitos.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:55:28 -0500, lid wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
in Cook
county. RE tax last year was 4K, for a 1200 sq ft house
gfretwell wrote:
we cap tax hikes to
3% for homesteaded residents.
hmm.... I think I'll stay put.
1,500 sq ft, on an acre within the city limits, $850 after
Homestead
Exemption. After age 65, that'll drop to zero.
Sales tax is 7%. There was a big push last year to raise sales
tax on
cigarettes and eliminate it completely on groceries but in the
end, it
didn't quite fly. That idea's not dead yet though.
We have a State Income Tax but compared to Federal, it's not
enough to
complain about.
Insurance is another matter. I'm on the MS Coast in the area
that took
the brunt of Katrina (no, contrary to the news media coverage, New
Orleans dodged the worst of it). Personally, I feel fortunate to
have
insurance at all. But I'm on high ground almost a mile from the
beach.
Most of the people I know who lost their homes (includes every
home on
the beachfront and at least a block or two inland) aren't able to
rebuild because insurance simply isn't available. And most people
who've been able to keep the insurance they had, are paying
twice (at
least) the premium they were before. Some premiums went up by
10X.-20X. It's a huge political issue here presently and some
people
think it'll be resolved politically somehow... -shrug- ...
frankly, I
don't know. Maybe the extreme cases will eventually be lowered
but I
believe high premiums are here to stay.

Insurance prices don't often come down. Wish I knew more about your
area. I'm looking at Florida mostly because I have relatives there
and I'm a bit familiar with it, and like the gulf, which is usually
pretty flat. The Atlantic side is infested with big surf and big
tough guys like Harry, Tom, Wayne, etc. Scary.
I'm sort of a laid back pansy now, like the gulf usually is.

--Vic


Ever been fishing in NE Florida? No need to go out into the
Atlantic. Plenty of great fishing in the ICW, and all you need
there is a Carolina Skiff. Redfish, seatrout, flounder, catfish
a'plenty, plus if you go inland in fresh water, bluegills,
largemouth bass, et cetera.

Harry,
Didn't you do most of your fishing in the backwater? I wouldn't
think your 17' jon boat would be a good bluewater boat.



Sorry, S.F.B., never owned a jon boat.

I am sorry, I thought you said you purchased the 17 ft'er so you
could fish in the skinny water. Since it isn't a jon boat, what do
you call it.



You must have me confused with one of those guys you picked up in the
airport men's room.

To what 17-footer are you referring?

I think it was called a SeaPro, it was the boat you had in FL.



I had several boats in Florida, including Sea Pros. None was a
17-footer. Wrong again, S.F.B.